CIPA Camera Sales Data Released, Decline Continues

[Canon Rumors]

CIPA has released their latest camera sales numbers, and it appears the decline in sales continues. It looks like compact point & shoot cameras continue the biggest decline year over year.</p>
<p>You can see shipment comparisons between 2014, 2015 and 2016 in the images below.</p>

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[Mt Spokane Photography]

Point and shoot cameras are definitely going away. They were responsible for huge amounts of income, DSLR's are more profitable on a individual basis, but sales volume is much less.

Its the same with camcorders too.

I think the boom in P&S cameras started with the Kodak Brownie film camera, so its a historic thing to see them disappearing. The high end P&S cameras will hang around.

In the US, at least, mirrorless cameras look to consumers like P&S cameras and tend to be passed over for the professional looking Rebels.

 

[Loswr]

They were responsible for huge amounts of income, DSLR's are more profitable on a individual basis, but sales volume is much less.

Sales volume for ILCs was much lower. In June of this year, ILC units shipped surpassed P&S units shipped for the first time, and more ILCs than P&S were shipped July - September. In October, more P&S were shipped, but only ~10K units (i.e. within 1%).

 

[Maximilian]

Hard times for the market and the participating companies.

Let's hope that we won't recognize too much impact on products and prices.

 

[jeffa4444]

The volume drop is also forcing the price up of inter-changeable lens cameras its a tough but true outcome.

 

[AvTvM]

YES! Very happy to see that. Despite Canon Defense League claims I seem to have not been the only one who has not bought anything from that industry in all of 2016 ...

But ... Canon knows better, Canon knows best, Canon multimillion bucks market research clearly shows, crippled Powershots and marginally improved iterations of big, fat mirrorslappers are exactly what the market wants. LOL! ;D

Hope the bleeding and suffering turns REALLY DRAMATIC soon, until they finally offer what "me and millions of other potential customers" want:

very compact AND fully powered APS-C and FF mirrorless cameras and lenses at affordable prices.


basta!

 

[AvTvM]

The volume drop is also forcing the price up of inter-changeable lens cameras its a tough but true outcome.

They will try short term. But very soon they will have to offer their wares at rock bottom prices to sell anything at all. I am not afraid in the least. I know I will get good enough imaging gear at decent prices for as long as i live.

 

[YuengLinger]

YES! Very happy to see that. Despite Canon Defense League claims I seem to have not been the only one who has not bought anything from that industry in all of 2016 ...

But ... Canon knows better, Canon knows best, Canon multimillion bucks market research clearly shows, crippled Powershots and marginally improved iterations of big, fat mirrorslappers are exactly what the market wants. LOL! ;D

Hope the bleeding and suffering turns REALLY DRAMATIC soon, until they finally offer what "me and millions of other potential customers" want:

very compact AND fully powered APS-C and FF mirrorless cameras and lenses at affordable prices.


basta!

And you enjoy being offensive because...?

There are so many great options for photographers. Canon provides quite a few. So do Nikon, Fuji, Olympus, and Apple.

Kudos to any camera company navigating the tsunamis of industry and cultural change!

 

[AvTvM]

i am gleeful, because Canon and Nikon are not offering what I want and get punished for it. So well deserved. Would not mind, if a few players go under. Like the german imaging industry in the 1960/1970s who first laughed about the Japanese copycats.

Why on earth is only Sony selling an FF sensored MILC system?

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

YES! Very happy to see that. Despite Canon Defense League claims I seem to have not been the only one who has not bought anything from that industry in all of 2016 ...

But ... Canon knows better, Canon knows best, Canon multimillion bucks market research clearly shows, crippled Powershots and marginally improved iterations of big, fat mirrorslappers are exactly what the market wants. LOL! ;D

Hope the bleeding and suffering turns REALLY DRAMATIC soon, until they finally offer what "me and millions of other potential customers" want:

very compact AND fully powered APS-C and FF mirrorless cameras and lenses at affordable prices.


basta!

And you enjoy being offensive because...?

There are so many great options for photographers. Canon provides quite a few. So do Nikon, Fuji, Olympus, and Apple.

Kudos to any camera company navigating the tsunamis of industry and cultural change!

Just off his meds again

 

[j-nord]

- smart phone cameras continue to improve
- DSLRs are improving at a decreasing rate
- decreasing desire to upgrade
- used DSLR market is saturated
- sales volume are decreasing which means increasing prices which further decreases sales volume.
- etc

nothing new to see here.

 

[mnclayshooter]

- smart phone cameras continue to improve
- DSLRs are improving at a decreasing rate
- decreasing desire to upgrade
- used DSLR market is saturated
- sales volume are decreasing which means increasing prices which further decreases sales volume.
- etc

nothing new to see here.

As rehashed as this "debate" gets each time...

I still agree with these being the reasons. I (as a hobbyist) have very little incentive to upgrade as the marginal improvements don't greatly improve my enjoyment of a hobby.

For the times when I don't lug a full DSLR around - I still have a very competent compact (not really needing an upgrade any time soon) and I almost always have the ubiquitous smartphone with its own onboard camera which is no slouch for quality of "snapshots" - My wife and I, ironically enough are using a cell phone photo from our trip out west for our holiday cards this year... because I didn't want to carry the DSLR on that particular day on that particular part of the trail we were on. I would venture that many/most casual users fall into this category... only very occasionally printing a photo, and when they do, the quality is sufficient from their cell phone.

It will take a significant improvement in feature sets (or a fully broken non-functioning DSLR body) to get me to upgrade (or replace) any time in the near future. With market saturation at the level it is, finding a low-shutter count, reasonably priced used body isn't a hard task... so thereby not feeding the $$ to the mfr directly and thus contributing to the decline.

My money, as I suspect is similar for many other CR people, goes to lens "upgrades" or filling out a kit, rather than to bodies. I'm also on a path of going from film/slide photography... selling/donating/tossing that gear to a period of dormancy and no gear other than a compact digital, back to ILC cameras in DSLR format. So, I'm playing catchup on the lens lineup.

What does it mean for the big MFR's - not much other than they need to keep evolving their product lines, which they are.

 

[slclick]

Stomping around like Verruca Salt will get us what we want?

 

[Loswr]

YES! Very happy to see that. Despite Canon Defense League claims I seem to have not been the only one who has not bought anything from that industry in all of 2016 ...

But ... Canon knows better, Canon knows best, Canon multimillion bucks market research clearly shows, crippled Powershots and marginally improved iterations of big, fat mirrorslappers are exactly what the market wants. LOL! ;D

As usual, you miss the point. Did I mention...WOOOOSH?

For ILCs, Jan-Oct 2016 shows a significant y/y decline for the industry as a whole. Canon's performance over that period shows quarterly y/y changes of 0%, -1% and +8%, and they predict the year will finish at -1%. A basically flat year during which the ILC market as a whole declines substantially means Canon's market share is growing...substantially. Which means that Canon's ILC market research is quite effective at figuring out what the majority of the reduced overall numbers of buyers want, and offering it to them.

Why on earth is only Sony selling an FF sensored MILC system?

Why is Sony losing market share...to Canon?

 

[BasXcanon]

It's looking sad for Canon indeed.
There are so many used lenses on the used market now,
there is no way they can make money with their Rebel series and the 18-55mm upgrades.

The only moneymaking that's left are:
*Getting their 120MP camera on the market.
*Producing Leafshutter lenses/camera's
*Bringing a Canon 5D(Iso) 12MP, 4k, High iso- clean images, to compensate for the bad 5Dm4 video features.
*Producing compact camera's with a larger sensor, more like their G1X and Fuji x100T
*More dual pixel features, split iso known from magic lantern and options to make 3D/ texture prints.

The jump from 70D to 80D, 5Dm3 to 5Dm4 is actually too small to consider as a hobbyist.

Do we have a Japans translator on this forum that can give my message to canon?

 

[YuengLinger]

It's looking sad for Canon indeed.
There are so many used lenses on the used market now,
there is no way they can make money with their Rebel series and the 18-55mm upgrades.

The only moneymaking that's left are:
*Getting their 120MP camera on the market.
*Producing Leafshutter lenses/camera's
*Bringing a Canon 5D(Iso) 12MP, 4k, High iso- clean images, to compensate for the bad 5Dm4 video features.
*Producing compact camera's with a larger sensor, more like their G1X and Fuji x100T
*More dual pixel features, split iso known from magic lantern and options to make 3D/ texture prints.

The jump from 70D to 80D, 5Dm3 to 5Dm4 is actually too small to consider as a hobbyist.

Do we have a Japans translator on this forum that can give my message to canon?

Gibberish is gibberish in any language. Read Neuroanatomist's post above.

Maybe 5DIII to 5DIV is not enough for YOU. Maybe a more common upgrade cycle would be 5DII to 5DIV...Or 6D to 5DIV...Or 60D to 5DIV. Etc.

 

[Loswr]

It's looking sad for Canon indeed.
There are so many used lenses on the used market now,
there is no way they can make money with their Rebel series and the 18-55mm upgrades.

The only moneymaking that's left are:
*Getting their 120MP camera on the market.
*Producing Leafshutter lenses/camera's
*Bringing a Canon 5D(Iso) 12MP, 4k, High iso- clean images, to compensate for the bad 5Dm4 video features.
*Producing compact camera's with a larger sensor, more like their G1X and Fuji x100T
*More dual pixel features, split iso known from magic lantern and options to make 3D/ texture prints.

The jump from 70D to 80D, 5Dm3 to 5Dm4 is actually too small to consider as a hobbyist.

Do we have a Japans translator on this forum that can give my message to canon?

We really should find a way to get your message to Canon HQ. In case they really are sad, your ideas are so ridiculous and hilarious they're sure to get a much-needed laugh after reading them.

Actually, there's no need to translate them. AvTvM is 'convinced' that Canon scrutinizes this forum very closely, so no doubt your silly ideas are already printed out and sitting on the desks of Masaya Maeda and Fujio Mitarai.

:

 

[PureClassA]

We really should find a way to get your message to Canon HQ. In case they really are sad, your ideas are so ridiculous and hilarious they're sure to get a much-needed laugh after reading them.

Actually, there's no need to translate them. AvTvM is 'convinced' that Canon scrutinizes this forum very closely, so no doubt your silly ideas are already printed out and sitting on the desks of Masaya Maeda and Fujio Mitarai.

:

Holy snot....you're only 3 posts away from doing it...

 

[rrcphoto]

People need to get a few brain cells firing before commenting.

Shipments of ILC's are nearly back up to 2015 levels. The impact of Sony's fab is clearly identifiable on the ILC chart.

This year probably would have been pretty close to last year's shipments if it wasn't for that.

 

[YuengLinger]

We really should find a way to get your message to Canon HQ. In case they really are sad, your ideas are so ridiculous and hilarious they're sure get a much-needed laugh after reading them.

Actually, there's no need to translate them. AvTvM is 'convinced' that Canon scrutinizes this forum very closely, so no doubt your silly ideas are already printed out and sitting on the desks of Masaya Maeda and Fujio Mitarai.

:

Holy snot....you're only 3 posts away from doing it...

Make 20k upbeat!!! A plan for peace in our time! Goodwill to all!