Confirmed, a Canon EOS R5c is going to be announced this year [CR3]

jam05

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Mar 12, 2019
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Absolutely agreed. Active cooling is a hard pass for me for me if it means reduced weather sealing. This is positive though - Canon obviously sees that there is a market here which isn't perfectly aligned to the needs of traditional 5D users, which the R5 was aimed at. Having an R5c and an R5 allow flexibility for potential buyers to balance their needs without compromising their use case.
And that's the end of your hardware innovations. Be happy with what you have for the next 5 -10 years. Like having a high performance PC without a fan. Try to find one. The traditional 5D user base has evaporated. Cameras are niche devices already as it is. Not even smartphones are manufactured without a video option.
 

jam05

R5, C70
Mar 12, 2019
535
346
And that's the end of your hardware innovations. Be happy with what you have for the next 5 -10 years. Like having a high performance PC without a fan. Try to find one. The traditional 5D user base has evaporated. Cameras are niche devices already as it is. Not even smartphones are manufactured without a video option. And they overheat also. That's why there exist smartphone cooling peltier devices used by gamers etc.
 

Canon Rumors Guy

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I don’t know that the R5c would have been in the pipeline before the release of the R5. I think that it is more of a reaction to the market. Had it been in the pipeline, release date would be much sooner.
The R5 was delayed almost half a year, these products aren't developed in a couple of months. They have a 2-3 year internal roadmap at least for camera bodies.
 

Canon Rumors Guy

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Thats probably is the biggest miss, “stills first”. Given the time needed for R&D they could not have expected a Pandemic to push everyone to staying home, but Video/podcast/streaming content creation is king right now. If you are a working or aspiring Photographer you probably should be at least working on video or at least be looking to get the most out of anything you spend 4-5k on unless you just have luxury money.

The R5 was probably in final testing when the pandemic hit.
 

Atlasman

EOS R5
CR Pro
May 14, 2020
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The R5 was delayed almost half a year, these products aren't developed in a couple of months. They have a 2-3 year internal roadmap at least for camera bodies.
I agree about 2-3 year roadmaps—some can be up to 5 years (like the Panasonic S1 series). But there are times when variants based on existing products can be put into production on a short timeline.
 

lethiferous

EOS M50
Nov 3, 2020
33
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And that's the end of your hardware innovations. Be happy with what you have for the next 5 -10 years. Like having a high performance PC without a fan. Try to find one. The traditional 5D user base has evaporated. Cameras are niche devices already as it is. Not even smartphones are manufactured without a video option.
What I said wasn't wrong. Yes a fan with a heatsink would be ideal, but it would also bring other compromises. To maintain the R5 form factor as it was shipped, a copper plate to dissipate heat would be worked a lot better than what it shipped with. It's not a dedicated cinema camera so, the fact it does not have a fan is not surprising but what was released is not the best effort to keep the camera cool by any means, and no amount of firmware is going to make up for physical heat buildup.
 

Canon Rumors Guy

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What I said wasn't wrong. Yes a fan with a heatsink would be ideal, but it would also bring other compromises. To maintain the R5 form factor as it was shipped, a copper plate to dissipate heat would be worked a lot better than what it shipped with. It's not a dedicated cinema camera so, the fact it does not have a fan is not surprising but what was released is not the best effort to keep the camera cool by any means, and no amount of firmware is going to make up for physical heat buildup.
... and the camera would have cost more money for minimal thermal improvements. Go and check the price volatility of copper. copper.jpg
 
What’s funny is that people would be all about this if it was the other way around. The R5c coming out first, then canon making the same thing, but weather sealed.
I think the R5 is a beast of a camera, but the R5c will be a purchase for a little ease of mind for hot days and longer recordings. I still haven’t had my R5 overheat anywhere near the complaints people have. I do weddings and fitness to give an idea of my usage.
 
One major reason I'm not buying the C70, form factor. I'm not sure how you can run/gun with it. It's good for a two person interview scenario, where it's on a tripod.
I'm hoping R5c/C60 to have C70 inputs, (one mini XLR, BPA battery)
Specs isn't everything. BM users are very happy with the 6kPro hardware improvements.
C70 is actually pretty amazing for run and gun. They just need to adjust autofocus performance. It’s good, but not R5 good.
 

cayenne

EOS R6
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Mar 28, 2012
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Well u


well us photographers weren’t, I’m happy with my compact weather sealed R5 body. It IS a camera first after all.

I am puzzled why videographers don’t buy a video camera. There is plenty on the market.
Well, there's a LOT of us out there, that like to do both.
;)

And we often don't have money for multiple bodies....so one that does it all, is the ultimate goal.

HTH,
cayenne
 

Atlasman

EOS R5
CR Pro
May 14, 2020
86
95
Canon, if you are viewing these pages: make it modular like the FX3 and make the EVF optional.
 

SteveC

R5
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Sep 3, 2019
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Its called physics. What thin high performance laptop or tablet exist without a fan? None. The heat is sorted out. Canon forced everyones hand with the R5 by showing the limitations of a passive cooling device.

You are correct: Physics will always beat software, in the end.
 

amorse

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And that's the end of your hardware innovations. Be happy with what you have for the next 5 -10 years. Like having a high performance PC without a fan. Try to find one. The traditional 5D user base has evaporated. Cameras are niche devices already as it is. Not even smartphones are manufactured without a video option.
I don't think that's a reasonable comparison. What proportion of high-end PCs are used in the rain? High humidity environments? Blowing sand? I don't have the answer, but I can promise you this: if high-end PCs had to be commonly used in direct contact with water, they'd be weatherproofed in one manner or another to prevent damage. How many wedding photographers/journalists/sports photographers/landscape or wildlife photographers tell their clients they can't do a job if it's raining? Not shooting in the rain isn't always an option depending on your business.

For me, weather sealing is more important than further innovation for the next 5-10 years, so if no innovation is the cost, I can make peace with that. With that said, weather sealing isn't new on cameras and we've had plenty of innovation over the last 5-10 years. I kind of doubt you can't have one without losing other.

I doubt any of us have the actual data to prove that the traditional 5D user is gone and obviously Canon doesn't think that if they made a camera to service the market. In fact, most camera manufacturers seem to be diving into the traditional 5D market of full frame, high quality, stills-first cameras with weather sealing. I don't discount that a lot of people rely on video from stills cameras; that's certainly true considering that several of the manufacturers with 5D-style weather-sealed bodies also make actively cooled bodies with a video focus. That's a good thing - it lets the people who need that video performance sacrifice their weather sealing, and people who need weather sealing sacrifice their video performance. There is no one size fits all, and that's ok.
 

mariosk1gr

EOS M6 Mark II
Jan 4, 2019
86
65
I can see how Canon and Sony compete against each other. C70 against FX6 and now R5C against FX3. As a more video shooter I'm happy that I cancelled back then R5 to buy a C70 and now I have the time to be ready for R5C! Great times..!!