RLPhoto said:
Edit: I'd like to add that jrista is considered a droner by most here but the stark difference is that Jon DID make the move to an A7R and Jon DOES shoot photos that are good.(IMHO) However I can't say the same for the likes of many many other droners.
Thanks.
On the original topic of this thread.
I just want to point out that it doesn't matter whether you take good photos or not...the kind of persistent harassment and spite that was going on around here the last couple of weeks (if not longer) is IMO unacceptable. We had a pretty bad time when Mikael was here, and that all boiled to a head (a worse one than we had recently, IIRC). When it did, a LOT of people were on the hook to be banned. That's a pretty sad state of affairs, and we nearly got back to that point. That's just not a good state for any forum to be in.
I think the term "DRone" has, by its use by many members, become a very derogatory term, where previously it didn't have quite the same connotation. I think that's uncalled for. The DR issue is an issue. It may not be an issue for everyone, but it's an issue for many people (not saying a majority of people, but many.) Just because some people don't have an issue with DR shouldn't give them the right to attack everyone who does. Same goes for the other way around...anyone who doesn't have issues with DR shouldn't be attacked by those who want more.
The DR debate is a long standing one here. For over two solid years it's been an issue. I used to be on the side that didn't think it was as big an issue as I do now. The first few landscape photos out of my 5D III that I processed showed an alarming amount of banding noise (as far as I am personally concerned). A couple more months with the camera (particularly for astrophotography purposes, as I HAD to go digging into the utter depths of the RAW files to bring out the detail I wanted) revealed a "quality" of noise that I personally find atrocious. I hoped for a while that it was just me, that I was doing something wrong, I upgraded from LR 4.x o 5.x, etc. Once I started pulling down D800 files and then some A7r files, the differences to my eye, between the 5D III read noise and Exmor read noise were massive. I had to change my opinion. I had to admit I was wrong on a few points in the past.
I've become most-hated member number one for some members on this forum because of my of tack on the DR debate. I never argued Exmor had more...but I did argue it wasn't as meaningful as I now believe it is. People shouldn't be spitefully attacked for such a realization and change of opinion. Even if their work doesn't tickle someone's fancy, that shouldn't be grounds to call them names, belittle their work, deride their skills, or anything like that.
I know I come off as an intense individual, but I have tried very hard to stick to what can be considered fact, science, math, theory. When I have had the opportunity, I have tried to provide physical evidence to back up my claims (not necessarily to prove a point...just to provide evidence.) My attempt to keep things on a scientific/theoretical/factual/evidentiary basis was itself eventually used against me. Apparently, now, theories and math and known facts are all useless and pointless...only the experience of a handful of pros matters, and what a pro says goes.
As far as I am concerned, the DRones vs. anti-DRones is exactly that: people vs. people. The last month or so, it hasn't really had anything to do with hardware or science or evidence. It's had to do with the anti-people being anti-people, about a certain group of people. That's just wrong. OF COURSE that's going to increase tensions. Of course that's going to lead to the opposing side ratcheting it up, and getting personal about things themselves. It's all a mess.
The simple fact of the matter is the DR issue isn't going to go anywhere until Canon makes it go somewhere. To many people, it matters, to some people it matters a LOT. This community is going to have to come to grips with that. It doesn't matter if you agree...there should always be a way to be reasonable about it. Flinging insults, insultingly calling people DRones, constantly being spiteful, etc. isn't the solution.