EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
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If the price is around $ or €1600 for the 24-70 f/4 , it had better be optically superior than 24-105 (and Tammy 24-70 f/2.8 ) by quite a bit. Otherwise it is not a difficult choice for homo economicus...
If the price is around $ or €1600 for the 24-70 f/4 , it had better be optically superior than 24-105 (and Tammy 24-70 f/2.8 ) by quite a bit. Otherwise it is not a difficult choice for homo economicus...
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I'm none too excited about either of these lenses. I already own the mark 1 version of the 24-70mm 2.8, and don't have any plans in the near future to upgrade, since it's an extra $1,000. I get that the new 24-70mm f/4 is likely to be angled towards a kit lens with the 6D/5Dm3, but I doubt many will buy this lens outright.
Wish it would have been a 14-24mm, 135mm II, or 50mm II.
I'm none too excited about either of these lenses. I already own the mark 1 version of the 24-70mm 2.8, and don't have any plans in the near future to upgrade, since it's an extra $1,000. I get that the new 24-70mm f/4 is likely to be angled towards a kit lens with the 6D/5Dm3, but I doubt many will buy this lens outright.
Wish it would have been a 14-24mm, 135mm II, or 50mm II.
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i disagree that the 35mm reach are worthless. 24-105 and 100-400 gives a coverage far into tele reach, if one can trade fastness for price and weight.
if the 70-300L is the successor oft the 100-400 then a slower 24-70 makes sense.
Otherwise its just less lens for more money which gives us something new and canon more income. The same as for a 35 2.0is or even 35 2.8 is for almost the price of the old 35 1.4
As reasonable good superzooms from Nikon show, it should be possible to make a lens with more reach with the same IQ as before, but as long as marketing says what we have to want and they spend money better for advertising than for R&D it will run the oposite direction
i disagree that the 35mm reach are worthless. 24-105 and 100-400 gives a coverage far into tele reach, if one can trade fastness for price and weight.
if the 70-300L is the successor oft the 100-400 then a slower 24-70 makes sense.
Otherwise its just less lens for more money which gives us something new and canon more income. The same as for a 35 2.0is or even 35 2.8 is for almost the price of the old 35 1.4
As reasonable good superzooms from Nikon show, it should be possible to make a lens with more reach with the same IQ as before, but as long as marketing says what we have to want and they spend money better for advertising than for R&D it will run the oposite direction
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Pricing at $850 for the 24-70 f4 is wishful thinking....
This thing might be closer to $1700.
Have you guys not seen recent Lens pricing? They want to make more money and the 24-105 is perhaps their best selling EF lens... if they can migrate the users to a 2x priced 24-70 F4L then they will do it. The new lens should have better resolution and contrast compared to the 24-105 which would remain as the budget general purpose till it disappears or becomes the replacement for the 28-135mm
"Eventually" the price of the 24-70 F4L may drop a bit, but not for a while... They will Milk it!
Pricing at $850 for the 24-70 f4 is wishful thinking....
This thing might be closer to $1700.
Have you guys not seen recent Lens pricing? They want to make more money and the 24-105 is perhaps their best selling EF lens... if they can migrate the users to a 2x priced 24-70 F4L then they will do it. The new lens should have better resolution and contrast compared to the 24-105 which would remain as the budget general purpose till it disappears or becomes the replacement for the 28-135mm
"Eventually" the price of the 24-70 F4L may drop a bit, but not for a while... They will Milk it!
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The 24-105 is a great walkaround- 70mm just isn't enough reach on FF for that purpose.
24-70 is a good range for indoor events, but especially for people shots, 2.8 is better given that often times, they're moving around and faster shutter speeds are needed anyway.
I don't change lenses out in the field- I usually just pick one lens for the day and stick to it. Minimizes accidents, dust on sensor, etc.
If this lens were small and under ~$700 I'd consider it for the 60D. But doesn't sound like the price will be anywhere near that reasonable. Meh.
The 24-105 is a great walkaround- 70mm just isn't enough reach on FF for that purpose.
24-70 is a good range for indoor events, but especially for people shots, 2.8 is better given that often times, they're moving around and faster shutter speeds are needed anyway.
I don't change lenses out in the field- I usually just pick one lens for the day and stick to it. Minimizes accidents, dust on sensor, etc.
If this lens were small and under ~$700 I'd consider it for the 60D. But doesn't sound like the price will be anywhere near that reasonable. Meh.
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lets hope so..
the YEN price translates into ~ $1800... and from the past experience the price here in euro is the same as in dollar for the USA. :
canons pricing has gone to ridiculous levels. so i would not rule 1700 euro for this lens out.
maybe canon is going the leica way.
i really don´t know what they are thinking.
but i do know that the new prices are driving new customers away from DSLR´s.
tron said:
lets hope so..
the YEN price translates into ~ $1800... and from the past experience the price here in euro is the same as in dollar for the USA. :
canons pricing has gone to ridiculous levels. so i would not rule 1700 euro for this lens out.
maybe canon is going the leica way.
i really don´t know what they are thinking.
but i do know that the new prices are driving new customers away from DSLR´s.
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Where are you getting theses prices? Can you post a link? Did it quote a price in yen? If so how much Yen? Thanks.
Woody said:
Where are you getting theses prices? Can you post a link? Did it quote a price in yen? If so how much Yen? Thanks.
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Looking at their prices, I'd say they equate to
24-70 f/4L - $1300
35mm f/2 IS - $900
Thats about what I'd expect, +/- $100.
The price is on the website refered to in the CR posting.
I estimated the US price by looking at the US price of a few Canon lenses that sell for about the same prices (in Yen) in Japan. 145,000 and 74,000 yen.
The 135mmL sells for a little more, (151,200 yen), for example, while the 28mm IS sells for about 59800 Yen and the current Canon 35mm f/2 sells for about 31800. That gives a realistic estimate of what it will sell for in US dollars.
Yes, a Zoom Macro, with a 0.7 magnification. Thats why it has Hybrid IS.plutonium10 said:
Looking at their prices, I'd say they equate to
24-70 f/4L - $1300
35mm f/2 IS - $900
Thats about what I'd expect, +/- $100.
The price is on the website refered to in the CR posting.
I estimated the US price by looking at the US price of a few Canon lenses that sell for about the same prices (in Yen) in Japan. 145,000 and 74,000 yen.
The 135mmL sells for a little more, (151,200 yen), for example, while the 28mm IS sells for about 59800 Yen and the current Canon 35mm f/2 sells for about 31800. That gives a realistic estimate of what it will sell for in US dollars.
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¥145 000 (including tax)
¥74 000 (including tax)
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdigicame-info.com%2F2012%2F11%2Fef24-70mm-f4l-is-usmef35mm-f2.html
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¥145 000 (including tax)
¥74 000 (including tax)
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdigicame-info.com%2F2012%2F11%2Fef24-70mm-f4l-is-usmef35mm-f2.html
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Indeed! Though, if Canon wants to go Leica way, perhaps they should consider offering Leica quality?.. :Gothmoth said:tron said:
lets hope so..
the YEN price translates into ~ $1800... and from the past experience the price here in euro is the same as in dollar for the USA. :
canons pricing has gone to ridiculous levels. so i would not rule 1700 euro for this lens out.
maybe canon is going the leica way.
i really don´t know what they are thinking.
but i do know that the new prices are driving new customers away from DSLR´s.
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i believe the reason why canon dont bring out 24-70 f2.8 IS L or 35mm f1.4 II L. it got to do with strong yen. just imho
i believe the reason why canon dont bring out 24-70 f2.8 IS L or 35mm f1.4 II L. it got to do with strong yen. just imho
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just call me carnac ;D
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=9767.0;topicseen
The 35 might be nice if it had L build [weather sealed] and dropped the IS
just call me carnac ;D
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=9767.0;topicseen
The 35 might be nice if it had L build [weather sealed] and dropped the IS
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The great thing is none of these lenses are what I want.
Ergo, no spending. ;D
What I want is a an updated 135mm (pref at 1.8 aperture) with IS and a 400/5.6 with IS.
I semi-want an updated 35/1.4 and 180/3.5 Macro with IS.
The great thing is none of these lenses are what I want.
Ergo, no spending. ;D
What I want is a an updated 135mm (pref at 1.8 aperture) with IS and a 400/5.6 with IS.
I semi-want an updated 35/1.4 and 180/3.5 Macro with IS.
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The new 24-70 F/4L IS will be lighter, sure, but the price?
http://photorumors.com/2012/11/05/canon-ef-35mm-f2-is-usm-and-canon-ef-24-70mm-f4l-is-lenses-leaked-ahead-of-announcement/#more-35082
See comment in translation: "$1800, but the US price will be lower"
Weight alone is not enough to go 2x over the 24-105. That IQ better knock my socks off or this thing won't sell vs. the 24-105 at all.
...or they'll have to obsolete the 24-105 outright. (in that case, this is a 80% takeaway, 20% nice to have, IMHO)
The new 24-70 F/4L IS will be lighter, sure, but the price?
http://photorumors.com/2012/11/05/canon-ef-35mm-f2-is-usm-and-canon-ef-24-70mm-f4l-is-lenses-leaked-ahead-of-announcement/#more-35082
See comment in translation: "$1800, but the US price will be lower"
Weight alone is not enough to go 2x over the 24-105. That IQ better knock my socks off or this thing won't sell vs. the 24-105 at all.
...or they'll have to obsolete the 24-105 outright. (in that case, this is a 80% takeaway, 20% nice to have, IMHO)
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I'm still unsure about the price.
1600 - 1800 USD/EUR sounds in line with recent price increases, however that wouldn't fly as a 5d/6d kitlens imho.
A kit would then cost respectively EUR/USD 5200 and 3700 wich seem way too high to be interesting.
ahsanford said:
I'm still unsure about the price.
1600 - 1800 USD/EUR sounds in line with recent price increases, however that wouldn't fly as a 5d/6d kitlens imho.
A kit would then cost respectively EUR/USD 5200 and 3700 wich seem way too high to be interesting.
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If this indeed replaces the 24-105mm (in price and position in the lens lineup), put yourself in the shoes of a buyer for first-time FF camera:
D600 (24MP) + AF-S 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5 VR = $2600
6D (20MP) + EF 24-70mm f/4L IS USM = $2900
D600 >> 6D
Even if the 24-70mm delivers substantially better IQ, the average consumer is going to buy the Nikon on numbers alone. If Canon cannot put a $500 kit lens with the 6D they are going to be steamrolled.
EDIT: Add in the fact that the D600 has a built in flash (extra $160 for an EX270 II), an impressive sounding 39 autofocus points and a bigger screen, Canon's sales will suffer a lot.
If this indeed replaces the 24-105mm (in price and position in the lens lineup), put yourself in the shoes of a buyer for first-time FF camera:
D600 (24MP) + AF-S 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5 VR = $2600
6D (20MP) + EF 24-70mm f/4L IS USM = $2900
D600 >> 6D
Even if the 24-70mm delivers substantially better IQ, the average consumer is going to buy the Nikon on numbers alone. If Canon cannot put a $500 kit lens with the 6D they are going to be steamrolled.
EDIT: Add in the fact that the D600 has a built in flash (extra $160 for an EX270 II), an impressive sounding 39 autofocus points and a bigger screen, Canon's sales will suffer a lot.
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Also, regarding the 35mm non-L refresh, a number of points come to mind:
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Also, regarding the 35mm non-L refresh, a number of points come to mind:
- If this is similar to the 24 and 28 IS lenses, the touted price of $800 is absolutely worth it, and I'm strictly a still shooter. This will be an L lens without a red ring. The 28 I own is sharper than an equivalently stopped down 35L (i.e. it is not just useable, it is great wide open, and stellar at F/4). The USM focusing is very fast, it's internally focusing, is very well built (on par with the 100L macro), and it's very small and unassuming. Plus, F/2.8 (with the 24 & 28) or F/2 (with the new 35) with four stops IS are some of (if not the) most handholdable lenses you'll find.
- This is good news for what I am really looking for, which is a newer, sharper, better 50 prime. We're due, and though I'm bummed it's not happening now, this announcement marks the refresh of a third non-L prime. This bodes well for future upgraded versions of the 50 prime and 85 prime -- both stellar values vs. their L counterparts, but both are also quite old. Here's hoping.
- Which begs the question, if I am looking for something better than my current Canon EF 50mm F/1.4 prime, do I look at the 1.2L or wait for this new non-L? As mentioned before, prior non-L refreshes were sharper than their L counterparts, and they pack a houseload of modern features (ring USM, IS, etc.) over their pro counterparts. Given all that, it begs the question why the non-Ls are getting the refresh/sharpness/feature updates before the Ls?
- Which begs the question, if I am looking for something better than my current Canon EF 50mm F/1.4 prime, do I look at the 1.2L or wait for this new non-L? As mentioned before, prior non-L refreshes were sharper than their L counterparts, and they pack a houseload of modern features (ring USM, IS, etc.) over their pro counterparts. Given all that, it begs the question why the non-Ls are getting the refresh/sharpness/feature updates before the Ls?
- The 24/28 IS lenses take 58mm filters, but the rumored new 35 will jump from the current 52 filters to 67 filters. That would likely mean a new 50 (with similar upgrades) might also go to 67mm. As odd as that diameter is, since I already own the 100L macro, I'm all set. 8)
- The only bummer I see with all these great non-Ls coming out is that I lose the weather sealing I have been accustomed to on my other L lenses.
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