EOS 4D full frame (6D)

[briansquibb]

As for myself, I've never sold a print, or worked as photog for income.

Nor me

 

[Heidrun]

All this talk of price / options / positioning of a lower cost FF body distorts the camera line in one way or another.

I see this as the following possible relationship:

7D 5D3
------ = --------
60D new 4D

For the new FF body:
We scale down weather sealing
Provide articulating screen
Lower fps (rebel level + fraction)
Video as in 5d3 (& allowing ML)
Price point differential as in 7D/60D (25-30%??)

Hits those wanting FF, not needing higher FPS
Hits vid lovers, willing to compromise on build (eg GH2 crowd)

60D is a nice niche body IMHO - this would be the basis for lower cost FF

If there is a 4D ff coming . I will defeitly have weather sealing as a priority. They can scrap the video

 

[crasher8]

I see it differently. I think a lower priced FF body is just a rumor and the two new bodies coming are both 1.6

60D becomes a 70D with full time AF on video and partial weather sealing.
7D becomes 6D with 5D3's AF, lower noise ISO and an articulating screen.

I think FF goes from numbers 1-5 and everything above is crop.

 

[AG]

Re: EOS 4D full frame

Anyone else think that they are over saturating the market?

Rebel = Beginner
60D = Advanced Beginner
7D = Enthusiast
5D3 = Pro
1DX = Advanced Pro

I don't think we need to plug any more holes...just my 2 cents...

You forgot

1100D = the My First DLSR

;D

 

[Marsu42]

60D becomes a 70D with full time AF on video and partial weather sealing.

The 60d already has "partial" sealing. Actually, every type of sealing is partial, it just depends on how you use it - the 1d series have the best and better than 5d3, ...

7D becomes 6D with 5D3's AF, lower noise ISO and an articulating screen.

If they want the 7d customer base to upgrade, they'll call it 7d2 for marketing reasons so that the 7d1 will be "old". And if they put in an articulating screen in a 7d body I'll laugh my ass off because that's one of the things 7d users always laugh at concerning the 60d/600d ("only the rebels have it - it can't be good or pro").

 

[Positron]

I see it differently. I think a lower priced FF body is just a rumor and the two new bodies coming are both 1.6

60D becomes a 70D with full time AF on video and partial weather sealing.
7D becomes 6D with 5D3's AF, lower noise ISO and an articulating screen.

I think FF goes from numbers 1-5 and everything above is crop.

Naming is not that simple when you have so many products. They've backed themselves into a corner a few times (see S100), but also remember that the 1D (non-s) series is not full frame; also that the EOS 500 and 650 by virtue of being film cameras are "full-frame", while the 500D and eventual 650D are and won't be.

In an ideal world, all this stuff would have been thought out ahead of time. However, in the real world, even the best visionaries cannot predict 25 years into the future.

 

[Tcapp]

We see who's pro from the text - and we are grateful to you pros for sharing your realworld experience and suggestions.
Sigs can ref a body of work, or our equipment to help with a ref as to what we're coming from.

As for myself, I've never sold a print, or worked as photog for income. Sound work is my line.
But I love the photo craft, and most of my subjects are our kids, family/friend events, some landscape, some wildlife.

I see my time spent here as valuable (unfortunately there's not too much of it) - advice and people here are gold. If I don't like a subject in the threads, I don't read it.

Thank you all for sharing and building this community.

We love you too.

 

[wickidwombat]

Re: EOS 4D full frame

I believe the number "4" is bad and usually skipped in Japanese culture. Not sure of the validity of that statement, I just think I read that in a few places.

hows that working out for Nikon?

 

[Positron]

Re: EOS 4D full frame

I believe the number "4" is bad and usually skipped in Japanese culture. Not sure of the validity of that statement, I just think I read that in a few places.

hows that working out for Nikon?

Good question. No clue. D4 is definitely harder to pronounce like death than 4D is, though.

I guess it's also worth considering that most of the people who are buying the D4 simply want the best, either because it's how they make their living or because they are serious enthusiasts. In that sense, they already know what they want and no name is going to change that, so maybe it's a moot point. In comparison, the target market for the camera we're talking about here is probably closer to the D800's demographic, and more likely to include people with a bit too much discretionary income who just want it because they heard it's a good camera.

You do bring up a good point though, and I'm curious if it has caused any problems for them.

 

[Axilrod]

I wouldn't equate the 5DIII to the 7D at all, aside from the still/video switch they are completely different cameras.

 

[crasher8]

I sell prints on a weekly basis. Do I call myself a pro? No. Do others? I'll check and get back to you.