EOS 5D Mark IV Testing Has Begun [CR2]

[Loswr]

Don't think of a pop up flash as a flash, but as an optical flash commander. Now does that sound better?

No, because they should incorporate RF control for the 600EX-RT and subsequent -RT releases. Optical is legacy.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

I would think that the Digic 6 would probably suffice the rumored specs of the 5D4 just fine. If so, why waste a 7 on it?

Poor /me is all confused about those digic numbers, can anyone please explain what's the difference anyway?

Afaik the digic is a composite chip from the usual arm core and some custom hard-wired functions ... so what actual real-world features are connected with a digic 7 that a digic 6 camera cannot have?

speed

perhaps better image processing cooked in bits

maybe new video bits

maybe two instead of one high speed interface per DIGIC?

definitely speed

 

[RobD]

The 5D3 already has Dual Card Slots.

Pop up flash (no, I'm not kidding)

Nooo! Please not. No one really need a popup flash with a lousy Light directly on the cam...

How about something new - a small but full tilt / swivel flash for bouncing? This will be a high ISO beast and a very little flash would go a long way. It's time to redefine what a pop-up flash looks like.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Well...

If the 5D4 is DIGIC 6 then it won't do 4k.

If the 5D4 is DIGIC 7 then there is a chance it will do 4k. But if it doesn't do 4k and has DIGIC 7 then no Canon DSLR will do 4K until DIGIC 8 arrives.

I see. So...the EOS 1D C, with dual Digic 5+ and 4K video capture is...not made by Canon? ...not a dSLR? Or is dilbert just flat out wrong...again?

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Hardware encoding in Digic 6 is limited to H.264 1080p60 maximum. That series of processors uses mp4 files at 35 mbps as its native format. To do anything better you need to do it in software, which is why more advanced Canon cameras often use two or more processors. They have to otherwise the processors could not handle the computing demands. Whenever you see dual (or more) processors in a camera the reason is that the tech available to the engineers is not up to the task. Those cameras probably have additional dedicated hardware included as well to assist in that, so it is technically an inefficient solution to the engineering problem. To shoot 4K efficiently with a single processor you will need a Digic 7/Digic DV5 processor. The DV5 is already here, so it is reasonable to presume that the corresponding Digic 7 won't be far off.

IMO 4K footage won't appear in Canon consumer cameras until the Digic 7 processors are included, so if the 5D4 comes with something like dual Digic 6 processors it is going to be crippled from the get go. It would be a camera built for the past, not for the future. Given the option of using dual Digic 6 processors or waiting a bit longer to use Digic 7 processors, the smart thing for Canon to do is wait. Otherwise they will have locked one of their flagship products for the next few years into obsolete tech, much like they did unwisely with the 7D2.

I thought they mostly used separate compression chips, but I could be wrong.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

The 5D3 already has Dual Card Slots.

Pop up flash (no, I'm not kidding)

Nooo! Please not. No one really need a popup flash with a lousy Light directly on the cam...

I do - all the time. When I'm on travel, and running around doing a million different things, setting up off camera flashes is simply not an option. So I need an on-camera flash. A 580EX is so large that it displaces a lens. So I carry a little tiny Sunpac to replace the missing pop up. It's a pain, it's fragile, and it's not ready to use when I need it in all cases. The pop up is often just the blip of fill I need and it's way better that the alternative which is nothing at all or a POS little on-camera flash.

+1

it won't get one though because all the faux pros won't be able to look like they think a real pro must look and they'll go ape on Canon if they put one in

 

[kphoto99]

Don't think of a pop up flash as a flash, but as an optical flash commander. Now does that sound better?

No, because they should incorporate RF control for the 600EX-RT and subsequent -RT releases. Optical is legacy.

One does not preclude the other.
Since you are in charge make it happen.

 

[Loswr]

The 1DC is part of the Cinema EOS line and is branded and sold first and foremost as a video camera, not a stills camera.

Is the EOS 1D C a dSLR, or not a dSLR? Does the EOS 1D C offer 4K video capture, or not? Let's see what Canon says...

If the 5D4 is DIGIC 7 then there is a chance it will do 4k. But if it doesn't do 4k and has DIGIC 7 then no Canon DSLR will do 4K until DIGIC 8 arrives.

So, dilbert...are you going to admit that you were wrong this time, or is this another one of those 'the Canon DIGISUPER lens is actually a camera' situations?

 

[RGF]

Okay what is MILC?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirrorless_interchangeable-lens_camera

Oh, an EVIL camera ;D

 

[Loswr]

@dilbert – you are flat out wrong (again), and you (again) refuse to admit it. It says a lot about a person when they refuse to admit when they are wrong, and none of what it says is good.

 

[Loswr]

I haven't been reading these forums for more than a few months and i wonder how soon do you guys think they will announce this camera based on this rumor? I'm pretty sure you guys posted same rumor a few years back when they were testing mark III.

Over time, these rumors have been both very close to the mark...and wildly off base. So, it's pretty hard to say. If I had to guess, I'd say they'll let the 5Ds/5DsR enter the market and run for a while without adding a 5DIV into the mix.

 

[Lee Jay]

The 5D3 already has Dual Card Slots.

Pop up flash (no, I'm not kidding)

Nooo! Please not. No one really need a popup flash with a lousy Light directly on the cam...

I do - all the time. When I'm on travel, and running around doing a million different things, setting up off camera flashes is simply not an option. So I need an on-camera flash. A 580EX is so large that it displaces a lens. So I carry a little tiny Sunpac to replace the missing pop up. It's a pain, it's fragile, and it's not ready to use when I need it in all cases. The pop up is often just the blip of fill I need and it's way better that the alternative which is nothing at all or a POS little on-camera flash.

+1

it won't get one though because all the faux pros won't be able to look like they think a real pro must look and they'll go ape on Canon if they put one in

Right. That's why Nikon doesn't put them on their 5D style cameras, the D750 and D800 series.

Oh wait, they do.

People who oppose them do so largely out of smugness as you describe, not out of legitimate reasons. They're great for macros, a catch light, a little fill or a shot that you can't possibly get using fast lenses and high ISOs. People who think any flash located anywhere near the lens is useless ought to figure out why professional ring lights exist (I hate them by the way - nasty alien looking ring catch lights in the eyes).

 

[CvH]

The 5D3 already has Dual Card Slots.

Pop up flash (no, I'm not kidding)

Nooo! Please not. No one really need a popup flash with a lousy Light directly on the cam...

I do - all the time. When I'm on travel, and running around doing a million different things, setting up off camera flashes is simply not an option. So I need an on-camera flash. A 580EX is so large that it displaces a lens. So I carry a little tiny Sunpac to replace the missing pop up. It's a pain, it's fragile, and it's not ready to use when I need it in all cases. The pop up is often just the blip of fill I need and it's way better that the alternative which is nothing at all or a POS little on-camera flash.

+1

 

[martti]

I think it is a brilliant idea to have some selected photographers test the 5DIV before it hits the market.
This differs from the politics of Sony who let their clients do the beta testing of their products.
I am sure that the 5DIV will have some features that irritate the skin off some readers here.
While others quickly find an excuse to upgrade.

 

[Hjalmarg1]

I wonder how much it will cost....

 

[gjones5252]

I want:


More DR: it doesn't even have to be 14+, just give me a bit more than every other Canon camera released over the past 5 years.
4k video: H.265 would be nice...there's already a Samsung mirroless cam with this capability
RAW 1080p @ 60fps: or at least a VASTLY better compressed 1080p codec, make it look as good as the jpeg's
Dual Pixel AF: would be so great for video focusing!




What we'll get:
Better high ISO jpeg performance, marginally better high ISO RAW performance
1fps shooting speed increase
An extra button or two
Strobing light correction
built-in intervolometer (FINALLY)
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I actually think that the new 5D might get Dual-Pixel AF...about 50/50 chance. Just trying not to get my precious little hopes up. :'(

This! i want this, i just hope its not what you think. I just know i love my 3 and i can always get another one of them. i could always use the 5dr as well but i could really use more resolution in the video segment as opposed to the photo.

I would however take a 28-30 mp camera that could do 4k(internal and better codec out from hdmi) with 5fps min. happy with iso but wouldnt complain about some DR love.

 

[martti]

I wonder how much it will cost....

Probably within 15 per cent of the Nikon D810.

 

[Marsu42]

The 1DC is part of the Cinema EOS line and not part of the regular DSLR line. When I wrote "No Canon DSLR will do 4K video", I was not including Cinema EOS cameras in that statement.

Come on, dilbert, the 1dc is a 1dx with modified firmware and a larger heatsink, and you know it. Canon write that it's "the first Canon hybrid DSLR to offer onboard 4K motion imaging": http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/professional/products/professional_cameras/cinema_eos_cameras/eos_1d_c

Actually the 1dc was one of the reasons I asked about the importance of the digic number above since it proves you can do 4k right now, though seemingly not with a single digic and it leaves you with a heat problem. But there are more features on digic chips that are used in each and every camera it's in.

 

[vscd]

People who oppose them do so largely out of smugness as you describe, not out of legitimate reasons. They're great for macros, a catch light, a little fill or a shot that you can't possibly get using fast lenses and high ISOs. People who think any flash located anywhere near the lens is useless ought to figure out why professional ring lights exist (I hate them by the way - nasty alien looking ring catch lights in the eyes).

So, you see how hard it is for the Canon-Engineers to get something done without the customer nagging on the result. For me a flash or a swivelscreen has no place on a Pro-Cam, others just pray for it. 98% of the time the weight of the flash is carried useless, sucking on the battery in some cases and make the body (more) weather-unsealed and prone to dust. I even pay for the additional parts. I see really no advantage of those mickey mouse flashes except of beeing an optical masters. I prefer Radio controlled ones.

For example, a 270 EX is a damn small flash with a great light, it's able to bounce the light up and you can do a lot more with it than with a flash on the body. It weights less than a small lens and it dosn't suck on the battery. So on holidays you can carry it the whole day on the body if you want, but the good thing is... anyone else can spare the weight.

 

[GMCPhotographics]

I would think that the Digic 6 would probably suffice the rumored specs of the 5D4 just fine. If so, why waste a 7 on it?

Poor /me is all confused about those digic numbers, can anyone please explain what's the difference anyway?

Afaik the digic is a composite chip from the usual arm core and some custom hard-wired functions ... so what actual real-world features are connected with a digic 7 that a digic 6 camera cannot have?

It's all about throughput. If the sensor is the engine...then the processor is the gearbox and differential.
A single digic Y is equvilent to the throughput of the previous generation dual digic X. So the dual digic in the 1DX is good for 225mbs. So the newer single digic will match that and the dual will exceed it by 50%. it's an interesting observation that Canon have pushed ahead with their digic designs, more than the cameras which use them. So the 1DX should have got a dual Digic 6...but it likely to get a single digic 7 instead (same throughput..smaller chip and foot print).
With the 5D4, I'm wondering if it'll need a dual 6, a single 6 or single 7. If a dual 5 is good for 225mbs then a single 6 should be in a simular category. 225 (mps) / 28(mp) = 8fps...similar figures we've seen rumored.
Dual 6 or single 7~ 335mbs > 335 / 14 = 24mp. Again, similar stats we've been quoted for the 1DX2.
Here's a thought...a dual Digic 7...yeilds a colossal 500mbs...35mp @ 14fps...or 62mp @ 8fps...food for thought. It can't be long until the mega pixel war is truly over and we become more concerned with frame rate and feature list than how many mega pixies our camera has...

 

[TommyLee]

mtavel:
Dear Mr. Santa Claus,
14+ stops of dynamic range please.
I've been good this year!
-Timmy
P.S.
Oh yeah.... and focus points that I can see in dark scenes. Thanks!

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and adjustable/EC in manual / with auto ISO..... and spot meter following the focus point...

or else
I'll put out LAST yrs moldy cookies..... for the third yr....
and ..publish those fotos of you and the elf....
-Timmy / aka Tom