EOS 5D Mark IV - the crippled generalist

[deadwrong]

IN regards to pullout, flippy screens......I had one i a older G5 canon camera, i used it so much that it stopped working. Rendering the camera useless. However, i had one on my Canon video camera years later and it still works fine.

My thoughts on this is that its not a necessary item on a heavily weighted stills camera. Its just another thing to potentially break.

If i had the money Id get the IV but 4600$ Canadian is tough to justify at the moment :-\. I might go with a cheaper mark iii but i hate the thought of spending 3k on old technology, then wishing i had gone the other way.

Canon will keep the price high to suck in all the early adopters, until the mark iii stock is depeleted. Then there after it will slowly drop say around next summer. Not sure i can wait! :-\

 

[KeithBreazeal]

What does everone else think what a generalist semiprofessional or professional camera made by Canon should have looked like in 2016?

It should look like the 5DIV, which looks perfect to me. I shoot professionally and have no problem with any of the specs or design.

Ditto
When I look back over my 5 1/2 decades of photography. I went from 35 to 4x5 & 2 1/4 in the search for the elusive combination of resolution and good film. When film technology improved enough, I went back to 35.
I bought a Pentax with auto-focus- that was wicked-cool!
Then, in 1983, I dumped $250,000 into video.
Seven years ago, I went back to still photography and decided to go with Canon because of their optics.
After all my years chasing the elusive perfect camera,(dark room gear included) I'm settled in and enjoying photography.
The 5DS and 5D Mark IV will probably be my last investment in bodies.

I do not miss the old days one bit!

Bodie Days 2016 antique tin-type camera being used 0203 © Keith Breazeal by Keith Breazeal, on Flickr

 

[ritholtz]

Based on spec sheet, not much changed with buffer speed. But in actual use, looks like 5d4 is lot faster.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIPgkax3iOA

 

[Aglet]

Canon lost me a few years ago but I have to say the 5d4 is looking like a pretty good generalist body that I'd certainly consider if still buying Canon gear.

 

[GMCPhotographics]

Based on spec sheet, not much changed with buffer speed. But in actual use, looks like 5d4 is lot faster.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIPgkax3iOA

It's not a fair test, the 5D3's buffer is very limited with the SD card. Take out the SD card and set the recording mode to standard in the menu, the 5D3's buffer lasts nearly twice as long.

 

[deadwrong]

Not a hit with Hitler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJYXrilGk_8


;D

 

[tron]

Based on spec sheet, not much changed with buffer speed. But in actual use, looks like 5d4 is lot faster.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIPgkax3iOA

It's not a fair test, the 5D3's buffer is very limited with the SD card. Take out the SD card and set the recording mode to standard in the menu, the 5D3's buffer lasts nearly twice as long.

+1 The SD speed is a well known fact. Situation is much much better with a CF UDMA 7 150MB/sec card.
They corrected it somehow in 7D2.

 

[jeffa4444]

The small talk at a workshop I attended today where 65% of users were Canon users and the majority had the 5D MKIII is that the 5D MKIV at £ 3599 body only in the UK is too expensive. None said they would upgrade at that price and these were people heavily invested in Canon.

Canon have a problem in what is one of their biggest markets its bound to affect sales across the board, sure some will upgrade but this is truly a considered purchase at £1300 more than the 5D MKIII sells for.

 

[scyrene]

The small talk at a workshop I attended today where 65% of users were Canon users and the majority had the 5D MKIII is that the 5D MKIV at £ 3599 body only in the UK is too expensive. None said they would upgrade at that price and these were people heavily invested in Canon.

Canon have a problem in what is one of their biggest markets its bound to affect sales across the board, sure some will upgrade but this is truly a considered purchase at £1300 more than the 5D MKIII sells for.

It's expensive. It will come down in price as they always do. I'm sure Neuro would point out that for Canon, the target market may well not be 5D3 owners anyway, but rather 7D2/6D owners.

 

[3kramd5]

crip·pled
ˈkrip(ə)ld/
adjective
(of a person) unable to walk or move properly; disabled.
"a crippled old man"
(of a machine) severely damaged.
"the pilot displayed skill and nerve in landing the crippled plane"


No, the mk IV is not severely damaged, nor is is unable to work properly. It doesn't have every bell and whistle, nor does it cater to niche markets.

 

[tron]

The small talk at a workshop I attended today where 65% of users were Canon users and the majority had the 5D MKIII is that the 5D MKIV at £ 3599 body only in the UK is too expensive. None said they would upgrade at that price and these were people heavily invested in Canon.

Canon have a problem in what is one of their biggest markets its bound to affect sales across the board, sure some will upgrade but this is truly a considered purchase at £1300 more than the 5D MKIII sells for.

It's expensive. It will come down in price as they always do. I'm sure Neuro would point out that for Canon, the target market may well not be 5D3 owners anyway, but rather 7D2/6D owners.

I am not sure I agree with this.
1. I am a 5D3 owner. I will upgrade when price goes down by part exchanging my 5D3.
2. 6D owners want best value for money without having all goodies like very good AF, many fps, etc. I cannot see why they will not go to 6DII which will have an equally good sensor and will be much cheaper at the same time.
3. 7D2 owners are a little more complicated. I am a 7D2 owner and true a 5D4 would fall in between 5D3 and 7D2 in pixel density and speed. Some others may have already got some EF-S lenses they will no longer need if they sell their 7d2. (I do not since unfortunately my only EF-S lens a 10-22 had been stolen with my 5D4 and a lot of good EF lenses). I truly do not have an opinion on this.

 

[TeT]

I don't get it. Really crippled.

The 5DIV is an upgrade from the 5DIII. Fills the same niche that its predecessors did.... Granted there are more capabilities to available now, but Canon is very consistent from generation to generation with its lineup Rebel/xxD/XD/1D/Cinema Cameras all have their role with some specialty thrown in on the side.

I suppose the OP wants a Corvette at the Camaro price that seats 10 like his mini van, roof rack anyone...

 

[Cthulhu]

[/quote]I am not sure I agree with this.
1. I am a 5D3 owner. I will upgrade when price goes down by part exchanging my 5D3.
2. 6D owners want best value for money without having all goodies like very good AF, many fps, etc. I cannot see whey they will not go to 6DII which will have an equally good sensor and will be much cheaper at the same time.
3. 7D2 owners are a little more complicated. I am a 7D2 owner and true a 5D4 would fall in between 5D3 and 7D2 in pixel density and speed. Some others may have already got some EF-S lenses they will no longer need if they sell their 7d2. (I do not since unfortunately my only EF-S lens a 10-22 had been stolen with my 5D4 and a lot of good EF lenses). I truly do not have an opinion on this.
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I shoot a 7d mk2 and both 1dxs. I also have a 5d mk3 that I like better than all my other cameras but don't use it due to shooting and AF speed & small buffer. I shoot action 95% of the time, I was set on buying a 5d mk4 until I found out it still has a short buffer. I could live with 7 fps though 8 or 9 would be sweet.

 

[tron]

I am not sure I agree with this.
1. I am a 5D3 owner. I will upgrade when price goes down by part exchanging my 5D3.
2. 6D owners want best value for money without having all goodies like very good AF, many fps, etc. I cannot see whey they will not go to 6DII which will have an equally good sensor and will be much cheaper at the same time.
3. 7D2 owners are a little more complicated. I am a 7D2 owner and true a 5D4 would fall in between 5D3 and 7D2 in pixel density and speed. Some others may have already got some EF-S lenses they will no longer need if they sell their 7d2. (I do not since unfortunately my only EF-S lens a 10-22 had been stolen with my 5D4 and a lot of good EF lenses). I truly do not have an opinion on this.

I shoot a 7d mk2 and both 1dxs. I also have a 5d mk3 that I like better than all my other cameras but don't use it due to shooting and AF speed & small buffer. I shoot action 95% of the time, I was set on buying a 5d mk4 until I found out it still has a short buffer. I could live with 7 fps though 8 or 9 would be sweet.

If you see the-digital-picture site you will see that you can achieve about 5 seconds at 7fps with 5D4 if you use only a 150MB/sec UDMA 7 Compact flash card. Also the buffer depth in 5D3 is not so bad if you use the same combination.

 

[reef58]

Of the two, I'm much happier to have the wireless capability.

That is my point: Why is it always an either or with Canon? Why like stupid calfs have we accepted that way of thinking? Canon has trained us to do so. Meanwhile our creativity is suffering.

If you think, gear is stopping from you making great photos, check this list. There is a one made from 1200d and Rebel with kit lenses.

https://www.dpreview.com/news/5480094425/take-a-peek-at-some-of-the-contenders-for-wildlife-photographer-of-the-year-2016

Do not worry. I will continue taking great photos. However I would have liked to get better technology paired with my genious.

Why don't you just go buy the camera that works for you? If Canon made a do everything camera then they would only need one model. That is not the way they are headed, so maybe it is time to switch to the camera out there that has all the bells and whistles you need.

 

[privatebydesign]

Do not worry. I will continue taking great photos. However I would have liked to get better technology paired with my genious [sic].

Clearly spelling wasn't included in your gift, which makes your comment rather ironic. :

 

[GMCPhotographics]

The small talk at a workshop I attended today where 65% of users were Canon users and the majority had the 5D MKIII is that the 5D MKIV at £ 3599 body only in the UK is too expensive. None said they would upgrade at that price and these were people heavily invested in Canon.

Canon have a problem in what is one of their biggest markets its bound to affect sales across the board, sure some will upgrade but this is truly a considered purchase at £1300 more than the 5D MKIII sells for.

When the 5DIII was announced in the UK, it was pretty much in the same price bracket: £3500. It was so high, I wrote a letter to the UK head of Canon. It took him around three months to reply, but his letter was beautifully written and included a very nice book. He basically said that the UK RRP (price) had an expectation of heavy dealer subsidies. So the RRP allows a large amount of negotiation on price and doesn't expect many cameras to actually sell at that RRP. In the states, this doesn't happen. Canon sets the price and that's generally the price across the USofA. Other countries have different markets. So what does this mean for the UK market? It means that in the first few months, the camera will sell at RRP because the dealer can sell every unit that Canon will supply them initially....while stocks are low and demand from early adopters is high. Once supply has stabilised....ie every dealer can bulk order and get them all delivered in a few days...and all the "I will pay any amount to have the latest camera" brigade have snapped up the early and over priced supply (while making their unboxing videos on youtube)...then the shelf price will drop quite quickly. Expect to pay around £3000 in December and around £2500, some time in 2017. Or go get one from Japan / Digial Rev or buy State side.

 

[rrcphoto]

The small talk at a workshop I attended today where 65% of users were Canon users and the majority had the 5D MKIII is that the 5D MKIV at £ 3599 body only in the UK is too expensive. None said they would upgrade at that price and these were people heavily invested in Canon.

Canon have a problem in what is one of their biggest markets its bound to affect sales across the board, sure some will upgrade but this is truly a considered purchase at £1300 more than the 5D MKIII sells for.

sorry.. are you saying the UK is one of canon's biggest markets or just that the Mark III upgraders are?

 

[benperrin]

I'm in the flippy screen camp. It's great for landscapes where the camera needs to be really low or high. The Sony a7r2 actually does this fairly well where you can use the tilt screen to frame the shot quickly then use your smartphone to change white balance, shutter etc and keep shooting from a convenient spot. It's not a necessity but it would make the camera a lot easier to use. But there are many genres where the flippy screen wouldn't add any extra value so I can understand some people not wanting it.

 

[Ozarker]

But there is a chance that the new 6d ii will have a flip screen. It will be less robust but may incorporate other features just like 6d vs 5d3.

Incredible that people continue to claim this. Flip screen have no more failure or break rate than normal screens. End of story.

Check out LensRentals stats info.

The problem with this is its comparing apples to oranges. How many pro/semi-private bodies have flip screens vs how many enthusiast/behinner/consumer bodies have flip screens? I'd be willing to bet that if there were more pro bodies with flip screens you'd find more of them breaking.

Because pro body owners are more likely to abuse their high dollar gear. :