EOS 5D Mark IV Update [CR2]

[Nininini]

Next time turn automatic white balance off...so you can actually cheat without getting caught.

Removing EXIF data wasn't enough to cover your ass.

 

[Loswr]

Megapixels are underrated instead of overrated imo. There is nothing that gives you more detail than higher MP.

So that's how I can get more detail in my bird photography – ditch the low 18 MP of my 1D X and get a 41 MP Nokia cameraphone.

For the same focal length, yes...

Oh, I see. So first there was nothing that gave more detail than more MP. But suddenly focal length matters. Do you think aperture matters? Output size relative to sensor size – does that matter?

I think Nini is confusing output size with resolution

I think Nini will find it is he who is confused...about a great many things.

Ok, I'm sure he won't find that to be the case in his own mind, despite it being true.

 

[slclick]

AWB Anonymous.

"Hi, my name is slclick (Hello slclick) and I have been using AWB intermittently for the past 13 years"

 

[Ph0t0]

Next time turn automatic white balance off...so you can actually cheat without getting caught.

Removing EXIF data wasn't enough to cover your ass.

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[ranplett]

Why do you guys keep posting blurry pictures of climbing rope?

 

[ranplett]

Removing EXIF data wasn't enough to cover your ass.

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Glad to see I'm not the only one confused by this statement and accompanying image.

 

[Sharlin]

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Appears Nininini hasn't quite realized that the closeup isn't a 1:1 crop from the uploaded image... Or they're just trolling; either way they should be ignored.

 

[Sharlin]

Why do you guys keep posting blurry pictures of climbing rope?

Because they don't know how to clean up quotes

 

[Sporgon]

Why do you guys keep posting blurry pictures of climbing rope?

Because Canon's DR has caught up

 

[Ph0t0]

Next time turn automatic white balance off...so you can actually cheat without getting caught.

Removing EXIF data wasn't enough to cover your ass.

Here you have the original Raw, the normal JPEG and edited (sharpened and upsized) JPEG :
http://we.tl/ZhlWfPATGR

You can play with white balance and colors if you wish to...

 

[jeffa4444]

Getting back to the Canon 5D MKIV debate!

At The Photography Show three camera dealers, Calumet, London Camera Exchage & Camera World had Canon UK stock 5D MKIII bodies at £ 1,600 (including 2x current Canon rebate = £ 500). This was a show only price but surely points to a camera close to replacement.

The 1D MkII and the 80D were on show pluse the G7X MKII & finally the EF-S 18-135mm f3.5 - 5.6 IS.

The show itself was quieter than last year, Nikon had both the D5 & D500, Olympus the new Pen F and Pentax their new full-frame camera the K1. Tamron in addition to the SP 35mm f1.8 & the SP 45mm f1.8 showed two new SP lenses the SP 85mm f1.8 Di VC USD and the SP 90mm f2.8 Macro VC USD. A new lens company called IRIX Swiss designed & Korean built showed a 15mm f2.4 with manual focusing but electronic iris in Canon mount. This comes in two versions Firely and Blackstone. The cheaper version is Firefly and the Blackstone version uses magnesium & high grade aluminium in a weather sealed body and uses floresent paint markings, the hood is detachable and has a window to access the polarizing filter (like the Canon EF 100-400mm MKII lens) They also had a prototype 11mm and will be in the future making Cine versions.

 

[GMCPhotographics]

Megapixels are underrated instead of overrated imo. There is nothing that gives you more detail than higher MP.

So that's how I can get more detail in my bird photography – ditch the low 18 MP of my 1D X + 600/4 with TC, and get a 41 MP Nokia cameraphone. Because nothing gives more detail than higher MP.

Oh, and don't worry about that whole diffraction thing, physics is overrated.

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Yep...we all like blurry and soft 41mp images compared to sharp and detailed 18mp ones...

 

[scottkinfw]

hmm so how does the the 1Dxmkii do it at 18MP?

To my knowledge right now, the 1DX-ii crops to native pixels. So there are bars on either side and top and bottom. There was a lot of crying about the 4K on the 1DX-ii being cropped.

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  LoneRider, I like the deduction on 28MP. I'm just not convinced Canon will go that high. Still, 24-28MP bookend what I'd consider a realistic range.
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To do anything under 28MP you would either have to crop for 4K or scale to get to 4K resolution (width wise) If they can natively just do 4K within the full sensor width, it would require a lot less processing (no 2D scaling), and without the scaling you would of course save battery, memory, and of course, less heat to dissipate

What do you mean by 3 pixels into 1? Are you saying an output pixel is made up of an input 3x3 pixel array?

If we assume typical sensor aspect ratio of 3:2

resolution = (4096 x 3) x (4096 x 2)
= 100.7 MP

So right now with Dual Pixels, 2 half size pixels, that are side by side, are used to create a single pixel.

Even with the computations for Bayer form

Instead of using 2 side by side DP pixels to create a image pixel, we use 3 of them to create a video pixel. So for stills it uses 2x1 array for each resulting pixel. In video it would use 3x1.

Now, one part I forgot, you would still have to scale in the Y. You would need a 0.666 scale in the Y.

So yeah, 1D scaling, but not 2D scaling for video.

I don't get how you infer this? Rather cynical don't you think? I do.

sek

 

[scottkinfw]

It will do 4k, 4k, 4k ... rejoiceth!
"video-optimized mirrorslapper" ... contradictio in adjecto.

Not interested. 5D III is the last mirrorslapper in my life. Still hoping Canon finally comes to its senses and builds me a mirrorless EOS M5 plus a few nice and compact pancakes to go along. Of course I would be the only person on the plante to buy it ... according to Neuro.

If you continue slapping the slapper sooner or later you'll come to your senses and realize that slapping the slapper and thinking oneself clever means you've already gone blind. I hope your new Sony comes with a can of cream and a razor to shave your palms.

You haven't sold the technologically soft slapping stuff you have yet and switched? Just wondering what the hold up is.

Sweet dreams my friend. May your sheets be dry in the morning. Don't get too slapper slap happy.

Ha Ha Ha.

I have to agree.

I can hear the slapping from here.

sek

 

[scottkinfw]

I don't get it. Most 5D3 owners when asked say they rarely if ever use the video feature. So Canon REPORTEDLY makes a big video splash with their most important stills camera. I wish they would offer a model without video at a reduced price.
Marc

The 5D Mark II was a huge success due to its HD video capability at a time when no other camera could match that.

I guess I'm like most 5DIII owners. I may havehave used video two times, maybe. Improved video? Who knows. Maybe I will be tempted to really explore the genre, especially if it has excellent dpaf.

I can see the utility of going for a big video upgrade however, but only if they give a very solid stills upgrade. That actually, as far as I can see is an excellent move. Give most of the improvements in fps, iso,, dynamic range, AF speed/accuracy, etc, along with killer video, and they will have a killer camera that will satisfy most 5DIII stills shooters enough to upgrade, and video enthusiasts to purchase the 5DIII replacement.

I am waiting to see the offering hoping and expecting real and significant improvements to the stills side, despite what some of the nay-sayers are saying.

I hope announcements and launch comes sooner rather than later. In the mean time, the rumors are exciting.

sek

It would seem that Canon feel like there is a large untapped market of videographers that either haven't bought into the 5D Mark III (it wasn't a compelling upgrade from the 5D Mark II in that regard) or that Canon wishes to capture an emergent 4K market.

Without a doubt part of the 5D Mark II's success was its price and as a result, every video orientated camera since then had a very large price premium for video.

 

[scottkinfw]

Megapixels are underrated instead of overrated imo. There is nothing that gives you more detail than higher MP.

So that's how I can get more detail in my bird photography – ditch the low 18 MP of my 1D X and get a 41 MP Nokia cameraphone.

For the same focal length, yes...

Oh, I see. So first there was nothing that gave more detail than more MP. But suddenly focal length matters. Do you think aperture matters? Output size relative to sensor size – does that matter?

I think Nini is confusing output size with resolution

I think Nini will find it is he who is confused...about a great many things.

Ok, I'm sure he won't find that to be the case in his own mind, despite it being true.

Must you always introduce facts just to confuse the issue? I mean really. Obviously, the man is absolutely certain of what he speaks.

sek

 

[scottkinfw]

Why do you guys keep posting blurry pictures of climbing rope?

Because they don't know how to clean up quotes

Because they are artistic?

 

[raptor3x]

For the same focal length, yes, a 41MP Nokia would easily beat the crap out of your 1DX in terms of detail.

You could put the most expensive zeiss on your 1DX, it would be nowhere close to the Nokia.

MP EASILY trumps anything else.

The Nokia will do ok (in ideal lighting conditions), but to say it will "easily beat the crap out of your 1DX" is a bit far-fetched.

http://blog.gsmarena.com/nokia-808-pureview-vs-olympus-e-pl2-vs-canon-5d-mark-iii-vs-apple-iphone-4s-38mp-shootout/

 

[DomTomLondon]

Can we please have PRO-RES in camera. non of this compressed B.S. ;D

Prores is a lossy compressed codec.

And it's owned by Apple and plays much nicer on Macs than any other OS. So DNxHR please

Yes but it's still a much easier codec to edit with... and yes, on a Mac.
If you're on AVID then I guess DNxHR is your coded of choice.

 

[jeffa4444]

For the same focal length, yes, a 41MP Nokia would easily beat the crap out of your 1DX in terms of detail.

You could put the most expensive zeiss on your 1DX, it would be nowhere close to the Nokia.

MP EASILY trumps anything else.

Im glad the people that do tests like this dont make movies or TV drama they really dont understand. MP are great in the resolution department but taken on their own is a purely stupid test if it was comparitively that easy everyone would be using a 41MP smart phone sensors which patently they are not.

The Nokia will do ok (in ideal lighting conditions), but to say it will "easily beat the crap out of your 1DX" is a bit far-fetched.

http://blog.gsmarena.com/nokia-808-pureview-vs-olympus-e-pl2-vs-canon-5d-mark-iii-vs-apple-iphone-4s-38mp-shootout/