EOS 5D Mark IV Update [CR2]

[Etienne]

Any word if this will have the 60 fps, and 4K?

The 1dx2 has 120fps @4k. Since this is going to one up that in video, I would expect nothing less than 180 fps@4k.

Upping the video ante may mean 4:2:2 color instead of 4:2:0

 

[mkabi]

Any word if this will have the 60 fps, and 4K?

The 1dx2 has 120fps @4k. Since this is going to one up that in video, I would expect nothing less than 180 fps@4k.

Upping the video ante may mean 4:2:2 color instead of 4:2:0

It does 4:2:2 externally, but only 8 bit 4:2:2.
If they up the "video ante", it has to be 10bit 4:2:2 externally at least.

 

[Etienne]

Any word if this will have the 60 fps, and 4K?

The 1dx2 has 120fps @4k. Since this is going to one up that in video, I would expect nothing less than 180 fps@4k.

Upping the video ante may mean 4:2:2 color instead of 4:2:0

It does 4:2:2 externally, but only 8 bit 4:2:2.
If they up the "video ante", it has to be 10bit 4:2:2 externally at least.

In-camera 10-bit 4:2:2 would get people's attention for FF 4K DSLR video.
Add DPAF, swivel touchscreen, and I'm pretty much sold

 

[daniela]

My only-slightly-educated-speculation...

<guessing>

• 25MP
  LoneRider, I like the deduction on 28MP. I'm just not convinced Canon will go that high. Still, 24-28MP bookend what I'd consider a realistic range.
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• 7-8FPS
  There's a point where frame rates get high enough that it will get the job done for sports/action, regardless of the product tier. I would suspect that 10FPS in a 5D body would cause too many people to opt for it over a 1-series body, just from a cost basis. It seems realistic to me that FPS is increased as an improvement, but only slightly so as not to overreach its positioning.
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• 4K@60, 1080@120
  Having better video than 1DXII seems totally plausible to me. The 1DXII has great video for photojournalists or those that need good quality video occasionally but primarily shoot fast-action stills. It's price is about machine-gun stills, AF accuracy, ruggedness, et cetera. Canon will try to bring back some of the 5DII-style love from the video shooters out there. That said, I think the improvements in the 5DX over the 1DXII will be things like external recording, higher bit depth, better codec, focus peaking, et cetera.
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• Dual Pixel AF
  Seems like a no-brainer to me.
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• Articulating Touch Screen
  I'm not sure I'm convinced Canon will put one in their higher end bodies (hopefully, it will at least be on the 6DII), but it would be a realistic video-centric feature (and one that I would love as a stills shooter). I predict touchscreen for sure, coin-flip on articulating.
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• 1DXII AF System
  My guess is same layout, slightly less capability/speed compared to 1DXII.

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• $3,299-$3,699
  That's admittedly a fairly wide range, but it reflects two somewhat opposing factors. First, the same economic and currency conditions that brought the 1DXII price down from its predecessor will likely affect the 5DX price. So I clearly can't choose the $3,699 price in front of you! But! The improvements in dynamic range and rumored high-end video capabilities may command a higher intro price, so I clearly can't choose the $3,299 in front of me! It wouldn't surprise me if it happens to come in at $3,499, just like the 5DIII did.

</guessing>

My "crystalball"s in Japan rumor: 24,2 MP. 7-8FPS. less noise (about 0.5-1 stop better) , clean pictures on high Iso like 6D. same layout like 5DS. AF area a little bit expanded, much more AF8 points., AF speed and accuracy like 1DX Mark I. DPAF. touchscreen for moviemode. WIFI & GPS. 2 fast Card-slot. price higher than 5DSR.

 

[Maui5150]

What I would like to see in ANY camera which has video: longer maximum duration of a video recording. The 30 mins that the 5D3 had and the A7RII has, are to little.

Well, you'd need to take that up with the EU Parliment.

Shhhh. You make too much sense.

Heaven forbid that manufacturer's try and save consumers from arbitrary taxes. Not like the Government would create this 30 minute limit and require devices that exceed it to pay more taxes. That is absurd thinking...

Which is why the EU did it

 

[mkabi]

What I would like to see in ANY camera which has video: longer maximum duration of a video recording. The 30 mins that the 5D3 had and the A7RII has, are to little.

Well, you'd need to take that up with the EU Parliment.

Shhhh. You make too much sense.

Heaven forbid that manufacturer's try and save consumers from arbitrary taxes. Not like the Government would create this 30 minute limit and require devices that exceed it to pay more taxes. That is absurd thinking...

Which is why the EU did it

Mmmm... something similar to a sugar tax...
http://www.ctvnews.ca/health/should-canadians-pay-a-sugar-tax-on-food-and-drinks-1.2777182

 

[Famateur]

If canon couldn't fit the technology into the 1DX Mark II, their flagship DSLR - on what planet would it be magically appear on a lesser camera in the exact same development timeline?

Perhaps the planet where the 70D has touchscreen with its DPAF, but 7DII doesn't.
Or the 5DS(R) without DPAF, but 70D, 7DII with DPAF.
Or a Powershot having Digic 7 when the 1DXII uses Digic 6+ chips (albeit dual).

Admittedly not exactly the same development timelines, but the 7DII is both higher tier and later release compared to 70D, and the 5DS(R) was newer and higher tier than the 7DII.

The point that was being made is that there will be feature-driven product positioning decisions made by Canon that some might not agree with or understand. That might include "lower" models of the same generation having one or two "better" features. It happens...

I get the gist of your post but touchscreen being better is very subjective. Most shooters would rather use dials. Intuitive, faster and no need to move your hand positions or eye.

Agreed on using dials while shooting through-the-viewfinder. Having the touchscreen doesn't hamper that in any way. Where it really shines for me when shooting stills is studio work with touch-to-focus. It's MUCH faster when poses and focus points are constantly changing (currently doing an extended series for a Kung Fu studio). I'd feel quite hobbled without the touch-to-focus, and our models would have to hold difficult poses longer as I change focus points. In addition, it's much more comfortable to look down at a flipped-out screen than to hunch to the viewfinder's level. Plus, I can interact with the subjects more naturally. I acknowledge that I am a sample N=1, so there might be only a few like me who love the articulating touchscreen for stills.

 

[slclick]

If canon couldn't fit the technology into the 1DX Mark II, their flagship DSLR - on what planet would it be magically appear on a lesser camera in the exact same development timeline?

Perhaps the planet where the 70D has touchscreen with its DPAF, but 7DII doesn't.
Or the 5DS(R) without DPAF, but 70D, 7DII with DPAF.
Or a Powershot having Digic 7 when the 1DXII uses Digic 6+ chips (albeit dual).

Admittedly not exactly the same development timelines, but the 7DII is both higher tier and later release compared to 70D, and the 5DS(R) was newer and higher tier than the 7DII.

The point that was being made is that there will be feature-driven product positioning decisions made by Canon that some might not agree with or understand. That might include "lower" models of the same generation having one or two "better" features. It happens...

I get the gist of your post but touchscreen being better is very subjective. Most shooters would rather use dials. Intuitive, faster and no need to move your hand positions or eye.

Agreed on using dials while shooting through-the-viewfinder. Having the touchscreen doesn't hamper that in any way. Where it really shines for me when shooting stills is studio work with touch-to-focus. It's MUCH faster when poses and focus points are constantly changing (currently doing an extended series for a Kung Fu studio). I'd feel quite hobbled without the touch-to-focus, and our models would have to hold difficult poses longer as I change focus points. In addition, it's much more comfortable to look down at a flipped-out screen than to hunch to the viewfinder's level. Plus, I can interact with the subjects more naturally. I acknowledge that I am a sample N=1, so there might be only a few like me who love the articulating touchscreen for stills.

A 5D series body getting a flipscreen is a longshot. Now normally I abhor these things but for ground level macro work it would be a blessing. Then again, I shoot on very uneven ground and harsh conditions regularly so I can easily see it being damaged.

 

[rrcphoto]

Admittedly not exactly the same development timelines, but the 7DII is both higher tier and later release compared to 70D, and the 5DS(R) was newer and higher tier than the 7DII.

The point that was being made is that there will be feature-driven product positioning decisions made by Canon that some might not agree with or understand. That might include "lower" models of the same generation having one or two "better" features. It happens...

on different timelines. some of the those reasons are ergonomics and 5Ds to 70D,etc is full frame to crop? touchscreen was not deemed important on a professional body? and none of those examples deal with canon's flagship 1 series.

1DX Mark II is touted has having high end 4K video.

So name a time where canon has placed something specifically on it's flagship and then outdone it 2-3 months later on another camera?

outside of MP's nothing was higher specced on the 1DX versus the 5D Mark III - so why would anyone expect anything different from the 1DX Mark II versus next 5D series?

 

[syder]

Can we please have PRO-RES in camera. non of this compressed B.S. ;D

Prores is a lossy compressed codec.

And it's owned by Apple and plays much nicer on Macs than any other OS. So DNxHR please

 

[scyrene]

Since higher resolution and video mean nothing to me, a second 5DIII at closeout / clearance prices is looking better and better. (Or perhaps a 6DII?).

I'm hoping this new body goes a long way towards satisfying the wants and needs of videographers and high(-er) resolution shooters, however. 8)

I'll sell you mine. It's a bit battered though!

 

[scyrene]

Not interested. 5D III is the last mirrorslapper in my life. Still hoping Canon finally comes to its senses and builds me a mirrorless EOS M5 plus a few nice and compact pancakes to go along.

No way, we had no idea! You've only said this in every thread here for as long as I can remember...

 

[j-nord]

I really hope its 7-8fps and 30ish m-pix otherwise I won't be interested. I have no interest in video but it would be nice to see Canon remotely competitive in the DSLR video world.

 

[Famateur]

A 5D series body getting a flipscreen is a longshot.

Agreed. :'(

Then again, I shoot on very uneven ground and harsh conditions regularly so I can easily see it being damaged.

Are you a fellow Utah dweller? Just looking at your forum handle...

If so, rugged conditions, indeed! While it's probable that Canon will not put an articulating screen on its 5D series bodies anytime soon, I've used three different Canon cameras with articulating screens in pretty nasty conditions, and all still work as the day they were new. This includes windy sand dunes, snowboarding*, rain, elk hunting (blood and hair) and everything in between.

I'd have absolutely no qualms about an articulating screen's durability on a 5D body. But. I agree that Canon likely won't do it. When Nikon put one on the D750, it gave me a glimmer of hope that Canon might consider it -- especially since Canon "officially" considers the 5D series a "prosumer" tier, reserving the "professional" designation for the 1D series only.

Fun stuff...can't wait to see what actually comes to market!

* Have had some wipe-outs while filming that left the camera buried in snow. No malfunctions. Actually, the cameras fared far better than I did!!! Still have sore ribs from a spill back in February. Camera is fine, though...

 

[Famateur]

Admittedly not exactly the same development timelines, but the 7DII is both higher tier and later release compared to 70D, and the 5DS(R) was newer and higher tier than the 7DII.

The point that was being made is that there will be feature-driven product positioning decisions made by Canon that some might not agree with or understand. That might include "lower" models of the same generation having one or two "better" features. It happens...

on different timelines. some of the those reasons are ergonomics and 5Ds to 70D,etc is full frame to crop? touchscreen was not deemed important on a professional body? and none of those examples deal with canon's flagship 1 series.

1DX Mark II is touted has having high end 4K video.

So name a time where canon has placed something specifically on it's flagship and then outdone it 2-3 months later on another camera?

outside of MP's nothing was higher specced on the 1DX versus the 5D Mark III - so why would anyone expect anything different from the 1DX Mark II versus next 5D series?

True that none of my examples were from 1D bodies. How about 1DXII doesn't have WiFi (internally). I know, I know -- that's purportedly a technological barrier.

It is interesting to note that the 1DXII now has a touchscreen.

I'm content just to wait and see. Who knows -- either one of us (or both) might end up quite surprised at what Canon does with the 5DIII successor...or the 5D family in general, considering Canon management indicated that the split would pursue resolution and sensitivity in different bodies. That change in strategy might reduce the improbability that Canon will have features in the 5DIII successor that are not present in the 1DXII.

It's fun to speculate!

 

[Maui5150]

What I would like to see in ANY camera which has video: longer maximum duration of a video recording. The 30 mins that the 5D3 had and the A7RII has, are to little.

Well, you'd need to take that up with the EU Parliment.

Shhhh. You make too much sense.

Heaven forbid that manufacturer's try and save consumers from arbitrary taxes. Not like the Government would create this 30 minute limit and require devices that exceed it to pay more taxes. That is absurd thinking...

Which is why the EU did it

Mmmm... something similar to a sugar tax...
http://www.ctvnews.ca/health/should-canadians-pay-a-sugar-tax-on-food-and-drinks-1.2777182

If people wanted to solve there government problems, especially financial it is easy.

Any time a politicians is
-- Caught lying
-- Caught omitting relevant facts
-- Deliberately misleading - Statement technically factually true, but presented in a misleading context to make it seem like it says something else

You simply fine them, and take away part of their pensions.

The net result are quiet politicians (never a bad thing)

 

[HighLowISO]

So we've gone from "no 4K" to " the video features of the camera will be the best in the lineup".

Well if the "best" doesn't have 4K that will be the real shocker.

Seems like the rumor mill is having a hard time keeping viewers interested. Seems like this site is posting more click bait everyday.

 

[gsealy]

Can we please have PRO-RES in camera. non of this compressed B.S. ;D

Prores is a lossy compressed codec.

And it's owned by Apple and plays much nicer on Macs than any other OS. So DNxHR please

I am thinking we not see either of those internally. Most likely it will be motion JPG because it is faster and easier to write to memory. But hopefully the 5DIV will support external 4K recording to say an Atomos Assassin

 

[mkabi]

outside of MP's nothing was higher specced on the 1DX versus the 5D Mark III - so why would anyone expect anything different from the 1DX Mark II versus next 5D series?

Sorry man... not trying to pick on you specifically...
but just to get somethings in perspective...

1080p video (video period) was first introduced in the 5D (specifically the 5D Mark 2) not the 1D...
If MP is resolution for pictures, then 4K is resolution for video...
So if 5D has more picture resolution than the 1D, why shouldn't it have more video resolution too?

 

[Loswr]

outside of MP's nothing was higher specced on the 1DX versus the 5D Mark III - so why would anyone expect anything different from the 1DX Mark II versus next 5D series?

Sorry man... not trying to pick on you specifically...
but just to get somethings in perspective...

1080p video (video period) was first introduced in the 5D (specifically the 5D Mark 2) not the 1D...
If MP is resolution for pictures, then 4K is resolution for video...
So if 5D has more picture resolution than the 1D, why shouldn't it have more video resolution too?

Ok, where was 4K video resolution first introduced on a dSLR?