EOS 5D Mark IV Update [CR2]

[leWrat]

I have been reading this site for it's rumours, slander and occasionally some great insights.
Like many I am interested in hearing info/rumours about the upcoming 5D (I don't care whether it is called the 5D IV, X, Y or Z)
The reason that I care about the 5D is because a few years ago I turned up at a friend's wedding with my 7D to discover that I was the official photographer, but "not to worry because the bride's brother had borrowed a 5D II and would also be taking some photos"!
I learned several things that day.
1) Try very hard to stay chilled as stress is contagious.
2) It turns out that I can compose decent wedding photos.
3) It was great that I was able to give running tuition to the 5D photog on how to use a different Canon DSLR.
4) That when I looked though the properly composed/exposed images on my monitor I could easily tell which were taken with the 7D and which with the 5D. There was a certain something, maybe silkiness, to the 5D images that made me drool and that has made me want to move to Canon FF ever since.
Why Canon?
I have some decent Canon glass that I want to keep using.
Why the 5D?
Because I have seen the raw images and I liked them.
Because I can probably push the budget to a 5D and the extra features that it will deliver.
Because the 1D is way too much camera for me and my budget and if I had the spare cash I would spend it on glass.
Why the IV/X?
I will get the III if they are still available when I have the cash as I thought the II was great and the III is even better.
OK, I confess, it will be the IV/X, assuming the car doesn't break down, because I would be a liar if I denied wanting to buy the latest model of whatever I buy as I don't buy that often :

Whatever the specs of the IV/X are, it will be a great stills camera, and if the video is also good I will try to make use of it.

So thanks for the squabbles and gems of wisdom ;D , they feed my hunger till the main course arrives (and I have the money to pay for it).

 

[martti]

I managed to change the hard disk on my iMac and while doing that, I screened a lot of my old pictures taken with various Canon EOS cameras and lenses. Whatever people might say, the jump from 40D to 5DII is remarkable. While from 5DII (that I broke) to 5D3 the difference is not as much the picture quality but the ability to shoot at full opening as the AF is so much better. My first digital EOS was the 20D that got stolen...then the 40D and the 5DII and finally the 5DIII. Noisy shadows. Yes, this is true. Noisy enough to make me swap to Nikon D810 and change all the glass?
No way.

 

[Maximilian]

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Whatever the specs of the IV/X are, it will be a great stills camera, and if the video is also good I will try to make use of it.

So thanks for the squabbles and gems of wisdom ;D , they feed my hunger till the main course arrives (and I have the money to pay for it).

Hello leWrat!
And welcome to CR.

I hope you can fullfill your FF dreams as soon as possible

 

[cayenne]

Most unfortunately, Canon takes far too long to produce the 5D4. After my 5D3 was stolen, I waited for about seven months for the 5D4 and in the end bought a A7RII, a complex camera with too many settings, endless possibilities. still learning, but I like it. (Fortunetely I can still use Canon lenses.)

It's good to hear you've had good success with it.

What I would like to see in ANY camera which has video: longer maximum duration of a video recording. The 30 mins that the 5D3 had and the A7RII has, are to little. Double that time would be perfect for me. Even 45 mins would be a big improvement.

That won't happen. In some parts of the world, if a camera can shoot 30 minutes and over of video then the camera gets classified as a video camera for tax purposes and is thus taxed at a higher rate than for stills photography.

So...screw it...this is all controlled fully in software.
Make a EU or whatever version of the camera with the artificial video length limitations, and let the rest of us (like in the US which has to be a huge market asking for this), have the full length video option.??

I mean, why cripple the camera for the whole world, when what I"m guessing is a minority will be taxed extra for it...?

cayenne

 

[pierlux]

I have been reading this site for it's rumours, slander and occasionally some great insights.
... ...
So thanks for the squabbles and gems of wisdom ;D , they feed my hunger till the main course arrives (and I have the money to pay for it).

Welcome!

A quick tour of other forums will reveal that Canon Rumors is by far one of the most polite, well organized and wisely moderated photographic communities in the internet. Sarcasm is probably the most "rude and cynical" attitude you'll find here and it's perfectly OK to me, it's funny and entertaining. Offensive posts are generally promptly deleted.

Best wishes for your budget to raise the soonest for a 5D (III, IV, X, Y, Z) purchase, also consider the 6D line, great IQ for the money.
__________

About the 5D4: don't worry too much, before the 7D2 announcement, the rumors were claiming it would have been "video oriented". We all know what it is, a cheap machine gun for the photographer on a thin budget. The 5D4 will be no different: a (relatively) cheap all-rounder with improved specs over the 5D3. Will it be a better video performer than the 1D2? If so, where's the problem? Video won't steal performance for stills and will help enhance the number of units sold, thus contributing in keeping the price a bit lower.

 

[slclick]

I have been reading this site for it's rumours, slander and occasionally some great insights.
... ...
So thanks for the squabbles and gems of wisdom ;D , they feed my hunger till the main course arrives (and I have the money to pay for it).

Welcome!

A quick tour of other forums will reveal that Canon Rumors is by far one of the most polite, well organized and wisely moderated photographic communities in the internet. Sarcasm is probably the most "rude and cynical" attitude you'll find here and it's perfectly OK to me, it's funny and entertaining. Offensive posts are generally promptly deleted.

Best wishes for your budget to raise the soonest for a 5D (III, IV, X, Y, Z) purchase, also consider the 6D line, great IQ for the money.
__________

About the 5D4: don't worry too much, before the 7D2 announcement, the rumors were claiming it would have been "video oriented". We all know what it is, a cheap machine gun for the photographer on a thin budget. The 5D4 will be no different: a (relatively) cheap all-rounder with improved specs over the 5D3. Will it be a better video performer than the 1D2? If so, where's the problem? Video won't steal performance for stills and will help enhance the number of units sold, thus contributing in keeping the price a bit lower.

Using 'relatively cheap' and a purported starting price of at least $3299 (more likely $3499) is absurd. Perspectives on what is cheap and what is not determined on various net worth be damned. The 5D series are expensive cameras albeit worth it.

 

[Ozarker]

I have been reading this site for it's rumours, slander and occasionally some great insights.
... ...
So thanks for the squabbles and gems of wisdom ;D , they feed my hunger till the main course arrives (and I have the money to pay for it).

Welcome!

A quick tour of other forums will reveal that Canon Rumors is by far one of the most polite, well organized and wisely moderated photographic communities in the internet. Sarcasm is probably the most "rude and cynical" attitude you'll find here and it's perfectly OK to me, it's funny and entertaining. Offensive posts are generally promptly deleted.

Best wishes for your budget to raise the soonest for a 5D (III, IV, X, Y, Z) purchase, also consider the 6D line, great IQ for the money.
__________

About the 5D4: don't worry too much, before the 7D2 announcement, the rumors were claiming it would have been "video oriented". We all know what it is, a cheap machine gun for the photographer on a thin budget. The 5D4 will be no different: a (relatively) cheap all-rounder with improved specs over the 5D3. Will it be a better video performer than the 1D2? If so, where's the problem? Video won't steal performance for stills and will help enhance the number of units sold, thus contributing in keeping the price a bit lower.

Using 'relatively cheap' and a purported starting price of at least $3299 (more likely $3499) is absurd. Perspectives on what is cheap and what is not determined on various net worth be damned. The 5D series are expensive cameras albeit worth it.

+1 Yup. Sometimes I shudder to think that a 5D3 with any single newer Canon zooms attached hanging around my neck = a pretty good used car ($5k). The gear ain't cheap. Heck, the gear isn't inexpensive either.

 

[Loswr]

Sometimes I shudder to think that a 5D3 with any single newer Canon zooms attached hanging around my neck = a pretty good used car ($5k). The gear ain't cheap. Heck, the gear isn't inexpensive either.

When I go out to shoot birds, the camera gear in the car is worth more than the car. That's why both are insured.

 

[pierlux]

I have been reading this site for it's rumours, slander and occasionally some great insights.
... ...
So thanks for the squabbles and gems of wisdom ;D , they feed my hunger till the main course arrives (and I have the money to pay for it).

Welcome!

A quick tour of other forums will reveal that Canon Rumors is by far one of the most polite, well organized and wisely moderated photographic communities in the internet. Sarcasm is probably the most "rude and cynical" attitude you'll find here and it's perfectly OK to me, it's funny and entertaining. Offensive posts are generally promptly deleted.

Best wishes for your budget to raise the soonest for a 5D (III, IV, X, Y, Z) purchase, also consider the 6D line, great IQ for the money.
__________

About the 5D4: don't worry too much, before the 7D2 announcement, the rumors were claiming it would have been "video oriented". We all know what it is, a cheap machine gun for the photographer on a thin budget. The 5D4 will be no different: a (relatively) cheap all-rounder with improved specs over the 5D3. Will it be a better video performer than the 1D2? If so, where's the problem? Video won't steal performance for stills and will help enhance the number of units sold, thus contributing in keeping the price a bit lower.

Using 'relatively cheap' and a purported starting price of at least $3299 (more likely $3499) is absurd. Perspectives on what is cheap and what is not determined on various net worth be damned. The 5D series are expensive cameras albeit worth it.

True. But the context in which "(relatively) cheap" was written implied in the first place the fact that full frame cameras were concerned. 6D is cheap, 1D is expensive, 5D should probably best defined mid-price, but since it is approximately $1K above the "cheap" (don't really imagine what the 6D2 launch price is going to be), I think "relatively cheap" can be defined a bit over-the-top, but not absurd as far as FF is concerned.

Anyway, I accept your criticism, as photographers we're all after a really expensive activity, perception of what is to be defined "cheap" is unavoidably altered.

 

[KeithBreazeal]

Sometimes I shudder to think that a 5D3 with any single newer Canon zooms attached hanging around my neck = a pretty good used car ($5k). The gear ain't cheap. Heck, the gear isn't inexpensive either.

When I go out to shoot birds, the camera gear in the car is worth more than the car. That's why both are insured.

Money doesn't bring happiness... Oh, is that a Canon 5D Mark IV?

My insurance agent was going over the gear list. Her comment: "Seriously?"

 

[slclick]

Sometimes I shudder to think that a 5D3 with any single newer Canon zooms attached hanging around my neck = a pretty good used car ($5k). The gear ain't cheap. Heck, the gear isn't inexpensive either.

When I go out to shoot birds, the camera gear in the car is worth more than the car. That's why both are insured.

Money doesn't bring happiness... Oh, is that a Canon 5D Mark IV?

My insurance agent was going over the gear list. Her comment: "Seriously?"

Try explaining custom racing road bicycles to Insurance Agents. "For a bicycle?"

 

[tron]

Most unfortunately, Canon takes far too long to produce the 5D4. After my 5D3 was stolen, I waited for about seven months for the 5D4 and in the end bought a A7RII, a complex camera with too many settings, endless possibilities. still learning, but I like it. (Fortunetely I can still use Canon lenses.)

It's good to hear you've had good success with it.

What I would like to see in ANY camera which has video: longer maximum duration of a video recording. The 30 mins that the 5D3 had and the A7RII has, are to little. Double that time would be perfect for me. Even 45 mins would be a big improvement.

That won't happen. In some parts of the world, if a camera can shoot 30 minutes and over of video then the camera gets classified as a video camera for tax purposes and is thus taxed at a higher rate than for stills photography.

So...screw it...this is all controlled fully in software.
Make a EU or whatever version of the camera with the artificial video length limitations, and let the rest of us (like in the US which has to be a huge market asking for this), have the full length video option.??

I mean, why cripple the camera for the whole world, when what I"m guessing is a minority will be taxed extra for it...?

cayenne

I would like that! I guess they would cripple it either - case 1 - permanently (via hardware) where in that case people would find ways to get a camera from elsewhere or - case 2 - in firmware which I guess would circulate all over the internet (and if a firmware checks for serial numbers then we can label this as case 1 )

 

[Insider]

Now i am really considering about the 5D 4 or other options. 5Drs obviously now my choice

 

[Ozarker]

Sometimes I shudder to think that a 5D3 with any single newer Canon zooms attached hanging around my neck = a pretty good used car ($5k). The gear ain't cheap. Heck, the gear isn't inexpensive either.

When I go out to shoot birds, the camera gear in the car is worth more than the car. That's why both are insured.

Money doesn't bring happiness... Oh, is that a Canon 5D Mark IV?

My insurance agent was going over the gear list. Her comment: "Seriously?"

You are 100% correct! That's why I am always on the prowl to trade that nasty money for camera gear.

 

[Maximilian]

Sometimes I shudder to think that a 5D3 with any single newer Canon zooms attached hanging around my neck = a pretty good used car ($5k). The gear ain't cheap. Heck, the gear isn't inexpensive either.

When I go out to shoot birds, the camera gear in the car is worth more than the car. That's why both are insured.

Money doesn't bring happiness... Oh, is that a Canon 5D Mark IV?

My insurance agent was going over the gear list. Her comment: "Seriously?"

Try explaining custom racing road bicycles to Insurance Agents. "For a bicycle?"

And after that try to do so with a high end HiFi system and a CD collection filling the other half of the living room

 

[Loswr]

...a CD collection filling the other half of the living room

What are CDs? ???

 

[Maximilian]

...a CD collection filling the other half of the living room

What are CDs? ???

Something you need, when your money went to Canon instead to a HighEnd streaming device supplier

 

[Loswr]

...a CD collection filling the other half of the living room

What are CDs? ???

Something you need, when your money went to Canon instead to a HighEnd streaming device supplier

Oh, I thought you maybe meant a financial instrument, but you mean the round shiny things. Do they have uses beyond the two obvious ones (coasters and hanging in the garden to keep away birds)?

 

[Maximilian]

...a CD collection filling the other half of the living room

What are CDs? ???

Something you need, when your money went to Canon instead to a HighEnd streaming device supplier

Oh, I thought you maybe meant a financial instrument, but you mean the round shiny things. Do they have uses beyond the two obvious ones (coasters and hanging in the garden to keep away birds)?

Surely! I have use for them. Others maybe not.

 

[midluk]

...a CD collection filling the other half of the living room

What are CDs? ???

These are the things you use when you don't want to pay monthly for a streaming service and you don't want to worry about watermarks in audio files you bought and want to give to someone.