EOS 5D Mark IV Update [CR2]

[cayenne]

I really hope that the better video features won't have a huge impact on the price of the camera! :-[
Anyways I'm really excited and can't wait to get my hands on one!

I'm getting the feeling that the 5D4 will debut in the approx price range that the 5D3 did when it came out brand new.

 

[cayenne]

Most unfortunately, Canon takes far too long to produce the 5D4. After my 5D3 was stolen, I waited for about seven months for the 5D4 and in the end bought a A7RII, a complex camera with too many settings, endless possibilities. still learning, but I like it. (Fortunetely I can still use Canon lenses.)

It's good to hear you've had good success with it.

What I would like to see in ANY camera which has video: longer maximum duration of a video recording. The 30 mins that the 5D3 had and the A7RII has, are to little. Double that time would be perfect for me. Even 45 mins would be a big improvement.

That won't happen. In some parts of the world, if a camera can shoot 30 minutes and over of video then the camera gets classified as a video camera for tax purposes and is thus taxed at a higher rate than for stills photography.

So...screw it...this is all controlled fully in software.
Make a EU or whatever version of the camera with the artificial video length limitations, and let the rest of us (like in the US which has to be a huge market asking for this), have the full length video option.??

I mean, why cripple the camera for the whole world, when what I"m guessing is a minority will be taxed extra for it...?

cayenne

I would like that! I guess they would cripple it either - case 1 - permanently (via hardware) where in that case people would find ways to get a camera from elsewhere or - case 2 - in firmware which I guess would circulate all over the internet (and if a firmware checks for serial numbers then we can label this as case 1 )

Why would Canon care?

I mean, once they sell the camera...that's all they care about really. Do it in software, only hamper the record time in markets that tax on it. If the end customer then mods their camera (it is theirs free to use as they wish)...what would Canon care?

It is only that first new sale that matters, right?

 

[cayenne]

...a CD collection filling the other half of the living room

What are CDs? ???

Something you need, when your money went to Canon instead to a HighEnd streaming device supplier

Oh, I thought you maybe meant a financial instrument, but you mean the round shiny things. Do they have uses beyond the two obvious ones (coasters and hanging in the garden to keep away birds)?

Well, for the most part, they are still the best way to get your music unencumbered by DRM, in an uncompressed format that you are free to rip to lossy formats if you want for lessor listening environments (iPod for gym, the car, etc).<P>
I like to buy on CD. I rip them to FLAC for lossless use on my good, high end home stereo system, and mp3s for the car, where it doesn't really make a difference. And I store the disk for future needs (hard drive losses, etc.

Yes I believe in backups too..but I like to have hard copies of anything I can.

 

[scyrene]

Most unfortunately, Canon takes far too long to produce the 5D4. After my 5D3 was stolen, I waited for about seven months for the 5D4 and in the end bought a A7RII, a complex camera with too many settings, endless possibilities. still learning, but I like it. (Fortunetely I can still use Canon lenses.)

It's good to hear you've had good success with it.

What I would like to see in ANY camera which has video: longer maximum duration of a video recording. The 30 mins that the 5D3 had and the A7RII has, are to little. Double that time would be perfect for me. Even 45 mins would be a big improvement.

That won't happen. In some parts of the world, if a camera can shoot 30 minutes and over of video then the camera gets classified as a video camera for tax purposes and is thus taxed at a higher rate than for stills photography.

So...screw it...this is all controlled fully in software.
Make a EU or whatever version of the camera with the artificial video length limitations, and let the rest of us (like in the US which has to be a huge market asking for this), have the full length video option.??

I mean, why cripple the camera for the whole world, when what I"m guessing is a minority will be taxed extra for it...?

cayenne

I would like that! I guess they would cripple it either - case 1 - permanently (via hardware) where in that case people would find ways to get a camera from elsewhere or - case 2 - in firmware which I guess would circulate all over the internet (and if a firmware checks for serial numbers then we can label this as case 1 )

Why would Canon care?

I mean, once they sell the camera...that's all they care about really. Do it in software, only hamper the record time in markets that tax on it. If the end customer then mods their camera (it is theirs free to use as they wish)...what would Canon care?

It is only that first new sale that matters, right?

The 29:59 recording limit is arbitrary and the reasoning behind the tax bands escapes me - but do many people shoot for 30 minutes or more continuously? I don't think I've ever seen a film or television programme that had shots even a few minutes long.

CCTV feeds are another matter...

 

[Loswr]

The 29:59 recording limit is arbitrary and the reasoning behind the tax bands escapes me - but do many people shoot for 30 minutes or more continuously? I don't think I've ever seen a film or television programme that had shots even a few minutes long.

The reason you don't see that is called editing. Consider speeches, press conferences, sporting events, etc. – footage is continuously recorded, but only short segments are actually used.

 

[scyrene]

The 29:59 recording limit is arbitrary and the reasoning behind the tax bands escapes me - but do many people shoot for 30 minutes or more continuously? I don't think I've ever seen a film or television programme that had shots even a few minutes long.

The reason you don't see that is called editing. Consider speeches, press conferences, sporting events, etc. – footage is continuously recorded, but only short segments are actually used.

Oh speeches, hmm. That's a good point. Editing was kind of what I was thinking of, you know. But yes, I guess some things like that must be recorded continuously. I suppose they use 'proper' video cameras! Or press record again when there's a pause

 

[Loswr]

I suppose they use 'proper' video cameras! Or press record again when there's a pause

"Excuse me, Mr. President – could you repeat that bit about fear, trust, change, and the future of the country? My dSLR video recording paused right in the middle of it."

 

[scyrene]

I suppose they use 'proper' video cameras! Or press record again when there's a pause

"Excuse me, Mr. President – could you repeat that bit about fear, trust, change, and the future of the country? My dSLR video recording paused right in the middle of it."

Haha he seems cool, I'm sure he wouldn't mind

 

[Loswr]

I suppose they use 'proper' video cameras! Or press record again when there's a pause

"Excuse me, Mr. President – could you repeat that bit about fear, trust, change, and the future of the country? My dSLR video recording paused right in the middle of it."

Haha he seems cool, I'm sure he wouldn't mind

Yeah, but the next one might fire the guy. Of course, he'd have already built a wall to keep out those pesky EU regulations, and of course made the EC pay for it. :

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

The 29:59 recording limit is arbitrary and the reasoning behind the tax bands escapes me - but do many people shoot for 30 minutes or more continuously? I don't think I've ever seen a film or television programme that had shots even a few minutes long.

The reason you don't see that is called editing. Consider speeches, press conferences, sporting events, etc. – footage is continuously recorded, but only short segments are actually used.

Even most speeches don't go 30 straight, although that is one of the very few scenarios where trouble might crop up. Even an unusually long press conference has few second pauses where the smart videographer could just hit stop and start again and not missing anything.

For movies and TV it is virtually unheard of to shoot anything 30 minutes non-stop.

Anyway for all but a few the 30 min wouldn't likely ever matter.

 

[Loswr]

Even most speeches don't go 30 straight, although that is one of the very few scenarios where trouble might crop up.

Pretty much every scientific keynote talk I've given and attended has run >30 minutes, and at major meetings they're always recorded. But the arbitrary limit imposed by the EU is moot because the AV folks always use proper video gear, not dSLRs.

 

[davidhfe]

The 29:59 recording limit is arbitrary and the reasoning behind the tax bands escapes me - but do many people shoot for 30 minutes or more continuously? I don't think I've ever seen a film or television programme that had shots even a few minutes long.

The reason you don't see that is called editing. Consider speeches, press conferences, sporting events, etc. – footage is continuously recorded, but only short segments are actually used.

Even most speeches don't go 30 straight, although that is one of the very few scenarios where trouble might crop up. Even an unusually long press conference has few second pauses where the smart videographer could just hit stop and start again and not missing anything.

For movies and TV it is virtually unheard of to shoot anything 30 minutes non-stop.

Anyway for all but a few the 30 min wouldn't likely ever matter.

Ceremonies, kids' plays and recitals, casual recording of presentations in the office, customer interviews, etc. These are exactly the sorts of events that people often will want to capture informally using the camera they already have. Pro events are going to be covered by dedicated gear.

I know we all like to think we're going to be using our DSLRs to make cinematic shorts and cutting edge music videos, but there's a lot of mundane stuff out there that these cameras capture. And for a lot of those mundane things, it's not to time a start/stop because of a basically arbitrary reason.

 

[Sharlin]

Correct. Nobody can remember 30 minutes worth of lines.

I wonder if you're familiar with the concept of a "stage play"?

 

[slclick]

Correct. Nobody can remember 30 minutes worth of lines.

I wonder if you're familiar with the concept of a "stage play"?

Unless it's a solo performance, you're not reciting non stop for 30 minutes, but maybe a playwright here on CR will prove us wrong and scribe one.

Make it about Canon's sinking ship in Thailand, a nautical theme. Talk about how the rope was so full of detail and then not so. Perhaps use all the 5D3's as anchors as soon as the 5DX is announced, since they won't be working any longer. Make the main character named Sony and his quirky trait is how unkempt he is because he doesn't use a mirror.

 

[extide]

Unless it's a solo performance, you're not reciting non stop for 30 minutes, but maybe a playwright here on CR will prove us wrong and scribe one.

Make it about Canon's sinking ship in Thailand, a nautical theme. Talk about how the rope was so full of detail and then not so. Perhaps use all the 5D3's as anchors as soon as the 5DX is announced, since they won't be working any longer. Make the main character named Sony and his quirky trait is how unkempt he is because he doesn't use a mirror.

bahahahaha, LOL, well done!

 

[Loswr]

Correct. Nobody can remember 30 minutes worth of lines.

I wonder if you're familiar with the concept of a "stage play"?

'Familiar with the concept' (any concept) is really asking too much in this case. :

 

[scottkinfw]

Correct. Nobody can remember 30 minutes worth of lines.

I wonder if you're familiar with the concept of a "stage play"?

'Familiar with the concept' (any concept) is really asking too much in this case. :


Well I for one would like to move on to another concept. Perhaps one germane to the topic and interesting hopefully.

 

[wsmith96]

...a CD collection filling the other half of the living room

What are CDs? ???

Something you need, when your money went to Canon instead to a HighEnd streaming device supplier

If you put one in a microwave oven it makes a brilliant light show...

Oh, I thought you maybe meant a financial instrument, but you mean the round shiny things. Do they have uses beyond the two obvious ones (coasters and hanging in the garden to keep away birds)?

 

[kaihp]

Only live TV without ads will do a longer than 30 minute "shoot" but that's not a "shoot", it's a "telecast." And you don't use a DSLR for that (too much correction required.)

Oh, Norwegian TV did a 7:14:14 broadcast[url] of the train trip from Oslo to Bergen in 2009. As I recall it was a celebration for the 100years of operation.

They later outdid themselves by broadcasting the full "Hurtigruten" boat trip from Bergen to Kirkenes. That was 134 hours, but was shot on multiple cameras.

So yeah, live coverage easily exceeds the pathetic 30min limit

 

[midluk]

Correct. Nobody can remember 30 minutes worth of lines.

I wonder if you're familiar with the concept of a "stage play"?

'Familiar with the concept' (any concept) is really asking too much in this case. :

Well I for one would like to move on to another concept. Perhaps one germane to the topic and interesting hopefully.

Or perhaps to the concept of nested quotes and "where to put the reply" (btw: I fixed it for you in the quotes in this reply).