EOS 6D Mark II To Shrink & Move Upmarket [CR2]

[m8547]

A 24MP 6D2 with a single card slot and who knows what AF isn't very appealing.

Being (according to many here), an enthusiast's camera - I would hope for 28MP. This would make it a much better choice for the enthusiast as the current 6D is used quite a bit for landscapes. If Canon is going to omit "pro" type features from this line of camera, at least give people more resolution.

Canon really needs to offer more on this body in my opinion. Nikon's 24MP D750 offers a tilt screen, dual card slots, wifi, and a very strong 51pt AF system. It has an excellent sensor. Grey market prices I've seen go as low as $1,600ish on that. This means that the D750 is positioned as such that it can not only be a great enthusiast's camera, but it can do some pro work too.

And.........

Nikon is going to announce their new 24-70 2.8 VR ...if they update the glass to meet or beat Canon's...this is good news for the Nikon camp. For an entry level pro - for the money, it is going to be hard to beat Nikon. And once someone is in a system, it is hard for them to switch. Canon can consider that a lost customer probably for life.

That is what's been my gripe in all of these 6D2 threads regarding single card slot. Canon doesn't have a camera competitive on features in FF at the entry level. They have a 6D2 that is slated to be neutered and clearly for the enthusiast market. Anyone with commercial intents needs to bust out another $1,500 or so for a 5 series body.

$1,500 is a fortune to many up and comers. I meet a lot of pros trying to get their foot into the market. I see the gear they are using. They badly want FF, but they aren't or can't spend that much and certainly not for a neutered camera on data safety and AF.

I think overall, a neutral, system-less shopper would find Canon's glass lineup better. But bodies do matter. Nikon has a camera that serves both purposes at that price point. Canon does not, and doesn't look like they will either.

More megapixels are not necessarily better.

24mp is 4000x6000 pixels. 28mp is 4320x6480. Does an extra 320x480 pixels really matter? So you can print 1 in x 1.5 in larger. And there will be higher noise because the pixels are smaller.

Most people don't need dual card slots. If you are a pro and absolutely can't afford to lose shots, then you probably do, but then you would be using a pro camera anyway. SD cards rarely fail if you handle them carefully (avoid static discharge).

A flip out screen would be nice, but wifi can take the place of that to some extent.

How do you know it wouldn't get the 5D3's 61 AF points? The 6D is basically a slightly upgraded 5DII, so a 6DIII could be based on the 5D3.

You said it yourself, it's an enthusiast camera not a pro camera.

I recently switched to full frame, and since I needed all new lenses I had a chance to switch to Nikon. I decided to go with Canon because the extra features of the D610 didn't matter as much as good aftermarket support, a good lineup of lenses, an intuitive and familiar interface, etc.

 

[Crosswind]

Yea a flip out screen would be nice to have. I used my 6D together with the Moto G2 smartphone as a remote display, but it's always awkward to use.

You can buy some equipment to mount your smartphone on top of your camera, but then it's very bulky to carry around.

A built-in tilting screen for the 6Dmk2 would be awesome. They are not as susceptible to damage as some people might think.

The Nikon D750 is my favorite body right now. If I wouldn't own so many canon optics, I would've already jumped over to Nikon (or Sony) just because they were able to provide a very solid tilting screen on a FF DSLR.

The reason why I am still using Canon is because they have so unique and absolutely fantastic lenses and I hope that they will offer a FF DSLR with a tilting screen sometime in 2016.

 

[eninja]

A 24MP 6D2 with a single card slot and who knows what AF isn't very appealing.

Being (according to many here), an enthusiast's camera - I would hope for 28MP. This would make it a much better choice for the enthusiast as the current 6D is used quite a bit for landscapes. If Canon is going to omit "pro" type features from this line of camera, at least give people more resolution.

Canon really needs to offer more on this body in my opinion. Nikon's 24MP D750 offers a tilt screen, dual card slots, wifi, and a very strong 51pt AF system. It has an excellent sensor. Grey market prices I've seen go as low as $1,600ish on that. This means that the D750 is positioned as such that it can not only be a great enthusiast's camera, but it can do some pro work too.

Even 1Dx only got 18MP.
Dual card slot, strong 51pt AF system?? All I can see are desperate offer.
D750 is positioned so that it will get sold, because it aint.

That is what's been my gripe in all of these 6D2 threads regarding single card slot. Canon doesn't have a camera competitive on features in FF at the entry level. They have a 6D2 that is slated to be neutered and clearly for the enthusiast market. Anyone with commercial intents needs to bust out another $1,500 or so for a 5 series body.

$1,500 is a fortune to many up and comers. I meet a lot of pros trying to get their foot into the market. I see the gear they are using. They badly want FF, but they aren't or can't spend that much and certainly not for a neutered camera on data safety and AF.

When you meet another amateur that wanted to be pros, but does not have funds. Why don't you tell them buy D750. Was it just now you said it is positioned to be affordable.

 

[K]

If you are a pro and absolutely can't afford to lose shots, then you probably do, but then you would be using a pro camera anyway.

This is the prevailing assumption here on this forum, and based on my experience with many local wedding and event pros, does not reflect reality.

This idea that if you need it, you'll get it, doesn't quite apply. Not when Canon makes you pay $1,000 more than Nikon.

There's also the assumption that because someone is shooting professionally, that is, for money to get paid in order to eat, that busting out $3,000 for a 5D series camera is a given. It just goes with the turf. Standard practice. Not at all.

On crop, there's the 7D2 offering two slots for a street price now around $1,500 and that is reasonable. However, in FF - Canon has nothing to compete with Nikon regarding data security for pro use at an entry level price point.

D750 seen prices as low as $1,600 and that is a well featured, serious camera body.


Canon's level to entry for that kind of functionality and features is $1,000 higher. That's a lot of cash to a newbie pro.


For someone entering the FF marketplace for the first time and having to decide between systems, the Nikon system offers more.

Canon is still better, if money isn't a concern. If your photography career is taking off fast, or you are well capitalized - no issue here. But for the majority, pros starting out are mostly starving.


I still think it is utterly absurd that Canon would sell a $2,000+ FF camera is 2016 with one card slot.


I think some people just don't want to come to accept the fact that their beloved Canon corporation omits this feature specifically to upsell anyone with pro desires to the 5D line. They know this is an important feature in this day and age. It bugs the Canon fanatics that their company would think or act that way. But it is the truth. I think it is a poor tactic and a bad value since who is to say one must be being paid for their photos in order to try and protect them? A $10,000 vacation to a once in a lifetime location is important too. Or a baby's first steps....

No amount of the Canon apologists downplaying will ever overcome the importance of this feature now that it exists. That is precisely what you get when dual slots and 6D2 comes into the discussion. Incessant, illogical downplaying of the 2nd card slot. All you end up with is babbling when you reverse their logic and say that if it isn't so important, the 5D and 1D line ought to just go back to 1 slot. When that is said, they have no answer.

Real pros, when they CAN - always favor dual slots. When they can't have dual slots, they go to other extents to protect the data. Offloading photos on site to drives or PC's and more. If they can't do dual slots, it is because of cost. There is no other reason. Which is my whole point. Nikon is offering it on ALL FF cameras, including one crop camera. They are offering it at a price point less than what the 6D2 will release at.

Under $2,000 ---

Nikon
D7200, D610, D750 -

Canon
7D2



Ok, that concludes my monthly 6D one card slot rant.

 

[StudentOfLight]

A 24MP 6D2 with a single card slot and who knows what AF isn't very appealing.

Being (according to many here), an enthusiast's camera - I would hope for 28MP. This would make it a much better choice for the enthusiast as the current 6D is used quite a bit for landscapes. If Canon is going to omit "pro" type features from this line of camera, at least give people more resolution.

Canon really needs to offer more on this body in my opinion. Nikon's 24MP D750 offers a tilt screen, dual card slots, wifi, and a very strong 51pt AF system. It has an excellent sensor. Grey market prices I've seen go as low as $1,600ish on that. This means that the D750 is positioned as such that it can not only be a great enthusiast's camera, but it can do some pro work too.

And.........

Nikon is going to announce their new 24-70 2.8 VR ...if they update the glass to meet or beat Canon's...this is good news for the Nikon camp. For an entry level pro - for the money, it is going to be hard to beat Nikon. And once someone is in a system, it is hard for them to switch. Canon can consider that a lost customer probably for life.

That is what's been my gripe in all of these 6D2 threads regarding single card slot. Canon doesn't have a camera competitive on features in FF at the entry level. They have a 6D2 that is slated to be neutered and clearly for the enthusiast market. Anyone with commercial intents needs to bust out another $1,500 or so for a 5 series body.

$1,500 is a fortune to many up and comers. I meet a lot of pros trying to get their foot into the market. I see the gear they are using. They badly want FF, but they aren't or can't spend that much and certainly not for a neutered camera on data safety and AF.

I think overall, a neutral, system-less shopper would find Canon's glass lineup better. But bodies do matter. Nikon has a camera that serves both purposes at that price point. Canon does not, and doesn't look like they will either.

+1, 24MP is "not enough". The amateur Landscaper and event shooter will both benefit from more resolution and lighter weight. Improvements in AF will benefit anyone who uses AF, which is a lot of people. The way I hope Canon will differentiate the 5D-IV is with video capabilities and not by crippling the 6D-II in stupid ways.

A higher-res 6D sensor will do more to encourage lens sales. First-time full framers will not necessarily have much high-performance (and durable) EF glass other than an f/4 kit lens. In contrast to the 6D buyer, someone buying a 5Ds/R will probably already have a bunch of excellent lenses so cross-selling high-end/specialized lenses becomes much more limited. (e.g. in South Africa at least, the 5Ds and R are not sold with a kit lens. Buyers are assumed to already have appropriate glass)

Regarding the competition...

Currently the 6D is competing directly with high-end mirrorless on a price basis. Mirrorless bodies also opens the door to a myriad of lens options not provided by Canon, which is why Canon hasn't gone full-steam-ahead and shot themselves in the foot. However, with mirrorless AF capabilities and EVFs constantly improving they will probably either need to up the capabilities of entry level DSLRs or make a serious statement in the mirrorless market. e.g. A Canon EOS MX1-R (Canon EOS M + NX1 + 1DX + 5Ds-R) If the 6D-II offers no AF advantage, no res advantage and no video advantage then why buy it? The 6D-II without adequate improvements or some game-changing technology will be DoA from a marketing perspective.