EOS 80D to be Announced in February [CR2]

[kaihp]

As for GoPro's offering 4k it is a gimmick. The standard lenses on the units are not good for even 1080p output.

I have to disagree. I've done some test shots with 1080p, 1440p, 2K7 and 4K on a GoPro Hero4 Black, and I can see the difference between 4K and 1080p, just by playing it back on my 4K TV.

Also, people using the GoPro's for delivering content in just 1080p have found that shooting the GoPros in 4K and then downsampling in post yields a higher quality, simply because there is a higher resolution in the footage.

 

[expatinasia]

As for GoPro's offering 4k it is a gimmick. The standard lenses on the units are not good for even 1080p output.

I have to disagree. I've done some test shots with 1080p, 1440p, 2K7 and 4K on a GoPro Hero4 Black, and I can see the difference between 4K and 1080p, just by playing it back on my 4K TV.

Also, people using the GoPro's for delivering content in just 1080p have found that shooting the GoPros in 4K and then downsampling in post yields a higher quality, simply because there is a higher resolution in the footage.

I would agree with what kaihp says, but tcmatthews is also right.

Not all 1080p is equal and it's only when you put different cameras and lenses against each other when shot at the same sort of settings that you really begin to see what a massive difference there is between this 1080p and that 1080p so much so that it is often impossible to use them in the same video as there is simply so much difference in quality.

 

[tcmatthews]

As for GoPro's offering 4k it is a gimmick. The standard lenses on the units are not good for even 1080p output.

I have to disagree. I've done some test shots with 1080p, 1440p, 2K7 and 4K on a GoPro Hero4 Black, and I can see the difference between 4K and 1080p, just by playing it back on my 4K TV.

Also, people using the GoPro's for delivering content in just 1080p have found that shooting the GoPros in 4K and then downsampling in post yields a higher quality, simply because there is a higher resolution in the footage.

I would agree with what kaihp says, but tcmatthews is also right.

Not all 1080p is equal and it's only when you put different cameras and lenses against each other when shot at the same sort of settings that you really begin to see what a massive difference there is between this 1080p and that 1080p so much so that it is often impossible to use them in the same video as there is simply so much difference in quality.

It was not an opinion. It was measured on an optical work bench and they had similar size image sensor setup getting better resolution at 1080p than the GoPro got at 4K. As it is if they end up using GoPro's it will be with different lens.

Most people are not taking the GoPros apart to put them in an engineered product anyway.

 

[kaihp]

Not all 1080p is equal and it's only when you put different cameras and lenses against each other when shot at the same sort of settings that you really begin to see what a massive difference there is between this 1080p and that 1080p so much so that it is often impossible to use them in the same video as there is simply so much difference in quality.

It was not an opinion. It was measured on an optical work bench and they had similar size image sensor setup getting better resolution at 1080p than the GoPro got at 4K. As it is if they end up using GoPro's it will be with different lens.

Most people are not taking the GoPros apart to put them in an engineered product anyway.

Ah, gotcha. So I was comparing GoPro's 1080p with their 4K, whereas you were comparing GoPro's 1080p/4K with someone else's 1080p. Right?

I have no problem believing that GoPro's 1080p quality isn't top-line. It's a high-volume consumer product after all, and saving some dollars on sensor and optics seems quite likely.

 

[Chaitanya]

Would like to see following upgrades:
24MP sensor with DPAF with 7/8fps
wider AF Spread compared to 70D don't care about no of AF points.
Dual SD card slots with atleast one capable of UHS-II
Improved IQ both at low and high ISO
4k video

I might consider upgrading my 70D if these things come true. Already have a 70D and love it for use.

 

[ScottyP]

What about model numbering? The xx-d trick is only going to work 2 more times at most. (80d and 90d). If they go to 100d, they are blundering onto the same track as the rebels (xxx-d).

They could start correcting now by going to 71d or 75d instead of 80d. Or they can wait until after 90d to start with 91d, 92d, 93d, etc....

 

[tallrob]

The Canon 80D. Finally a camera for those of us who can't pay attention long enough to take a picture. (Say "80D" to yourself 10 times fast)

 

[Don Haines]

The Canon 80D. Finally a camera for those of us who can't pay attention long enough to take a picture. (Say "80D" to yourself 10 times fast)

I tried, but I lost interest.....

 

[Don Haines]

What about model numbering? The xx-d trick is only going to work 2 more times at most. (80d and 90d). If they go to 100d, they are blundering onto the same track as the rebels (xxx-d).

They could start correcting now by going to 71d or 75d instead of 80d. Or they can wait until after 90d to start with 91d, 92d, 93d, etc....

or the 70D2....

 

[DLD]

I wouldn't expect a 70D replacement to exceed the 7D mkii ability in any way. Perhaps DR and some video functions, this may be important to a lot of people, but to me I don't see this being something I'd be interested in at this time...

 

[rrcphoto]

There is the rumour that they are shutting down/converting the old fabrication line

there has been no such rumor. speculation only.

canon always had a 180nm line with a copper BEOL system.

they stopped producing P&S sensors with the exception of the G1X Mark II a while back, so it's been idle for the most part.

 

[cosmopotter]

The 70D is a compromise between Rebel features and 7D features, so with the new 760 moving up in features that infringe on the 70D its time for upgrades.

I love the AF ability of my 70D but maybe they will up the amount of AF points again and spread them out. Not as many as the 7D of course but more. If the 7D has speed and the 760 has resolution, maybe the xxD will have a bit of both. I'm thinking that most users consider it one of the best video capable DSLRs so I would be happy if they just gave it 1080P60 and clean output like the 7D and a headphone jack. 4K is a pipe dream in this level. It would outperform the 7D but not totally implausible if this truly is Canons "video" model.

How about this for a spec list (accounting for Canon's incremental changes):

70D Mk II (not 80D)
24MP sensor (dual pixel AF of course)
1080P60 video
Clean HDMI
Headphone jack
8FPS
Anti flicker
RGB-IR metering
NFC
Improved lowlight noise
AA filter cancelling

I'd like to see similar specs with a FF sensor for the 6D Mk II.

 

[midluk]

I don't think video and AA filter canceling go together nicely. For optimal video performance you even need a stronger AA filter matched for the video resolution instead of one matched for the full sensor resolution for stills.

 

[cosmopotter]

I don't think video and AA filter canceling go together nicely. For optimal video performance you even need a stronger AA filter matched for the video resolution instead of one matched for the full sensor resolution for stills.

In broadcast video cameras you dial back the detail if you are experiencing moire patterns, essentially softening the picture to fix a noisy shirt.

I was just thinking it might be possible to turn on and off the AA cancelling like the 5DsR uses... but I guess if that was true Canon wouldn't have brought out 2 models of THAT camera.

 

[3kramd5]

There is the rumour that they are shutting down/converting the old fabrication line

there has been no such rumor. speculation only.

Rumor = speculation.

...
I was just thinking it might be possible to turn on and off the AA cancelling like the 5DsR uses... but I guess if that was true Canon wouldn't have brought out 2 models of THAT camera.

Canon didn't do that because of moire, they did that because of Nikon (non AA in 800/810.)

Source?

 

[cosmopotter]

Here's a crazy thought... What if the 80D IS mirrorless! :-\

 

[Don Haines]

Here's a crazy thought... What if the 80D IS mirrorless! :-\

I'm glad to see that someone else is thinking about this

There is the very real possibility that 97 percent of forum members will go insane, while the remaining 3 percent go out and take great pictures....