Eos7D mk2, How EXCITED will you be if . . .?

[TAF]

I'd like the 7D2 to fill the place of the 1D4....essentially I'd like a 1 series APC weather sealed, wildlife monster.

I would spend 3000-3200 on that in a heart beat and I'm sure many other wildlife / sports guys would also. For other stuff I'll hold onto my 5D3.

Yes but that would kill sales on the long lens and idx. Canon do need to bring this out, but as a 3D and simlar price to the 1D x

It would only kill the sales of long lens and the 1dx if they make the sensor much better. A long lens and a FF frame still beat a APS-C.

as an aside, I doubt very much if Canon will bring out any camera with a 3D marking that isn't, well, a 3-D camera. Too high a likelihood of consumer confusion and complaints.

Perhaps the 4D or 8D, but not the 3.

 

[RLPhoto]

It's simple for the 7D2 to become a hit.

-10 fps
-24mp apsc
-61 Point AF

Everything else is secondary. Call it in canon and start trucking in the money.

 

[Menace]

If the IQ is good enough for my needs, I might consider it marrying it to my 400 2.8 II instead of using 1.4x (as a third body).

 

[WillThompson]

A 1D? Body with 1.6 APS-C sensor.

(A cross between a 1DX & 70D, 1DX body with 70D sensor)

At a 1DX price ok too.

A total kick-ass camera!


Will T.

 

[KacperP]

I suspect/hope for:
- 5 layer sensor with phase AF capability APS-C w/o AA filter
- 20-24 Mpix
- ca. 10 fps
- VF with >1 magnification, I doubt on hybrid/EVF
- VF AF somewhere between 70D and 5D3

Multilayer sensor technology alone should have two stops of IQ advantage over bayer matrix, plus additional sharpness without AA.
I guess I would be perfectly happy for quite some time with 70D clone featuring multi layer sensor.

 

[GMCPhotographics]

Multilayer sensor technology alone should have two stops of IQ advantage over bayer matrix, plus additional sharpness without AA.

I don't understand this statement....are you saying that the extra two stops of exposure latitude will improve per pixel sharpness? I'm not sure I quite understand?

 

[KacperP]

Multilayer sensor technology alone should have two stops of IQ advantage over bayer matrix, plus additional sharpness without AA.

I don't understand this statement....are you saying that the extra two stops of exposure latitude will improve per pixel sharpness? I'm not sure I quite understand?

???
And I don't understand where did you get yours. Let's repeat: MULTI LAYER sensor.
Better sharpness will not come from better ISO performance. Sharpness and ISO performance will come together from multi-layer sensor. Do I have to explain HOW?

 

[Loswr]

Multilayer sensor technology alone should have two stops of IQ advantage over bayer matrix, plus additional sharpness without AA.

I don't understand this statement....are you saying that the extra two stops of exposure latitude will improve per pixel sharpness? I'm not sure I quite understand?

???
And I don't understand where did you get yours. Let's repeat: MULTI LAYER sensor.
Better sharpness will not come from better ISO performance. Sharpness and ISO performance will come together from multi-layer sensor. Do I have to explain HOW?

You might start by explaining WHAT you mean by 'two stops of IQ advantage'. Two stops more DR? Two stops less noise? Able to SHOUT TWO STOPS LOUDER?

As for sharpness, while it's true that a multilayer sensor wouldn't need the blurring caused by an AA filter to avoid color moiré, that blurring is predictable and thus highly correctable with sharpening in post, so the true gain in sharpness is minor at best.

 

[RGF]

three things. First two are would get be close to buying. 3rd is nice.


1. 1Dx -like build, controls, electronics
2. DR and S/N greatly improved
3. APS-H sensor (1.3 crop) with 18 to 24 MP

Final buy decision will be based upon what they deliver at what price

 

[EOS rebel]

I'm hoping for:

- DPAF and touchscreen
- AF with f/8 max aperture like the 1D series
- 10FPS
- 30-40 shot RAW buffer
- improved noise performance so that ISO 6400 is comparable to what I currently see for ISO 1600 on my T3i
- 1DX or 5D3 AF tracking system
- price below $2200CAD for body only

I know some are unlikely and others may not be physically possible but I'm hoping Canon will surprise us all. A man can dream after all...

 

[KacperP]

[quote author=neuroanatomist]You might start by explaining WHAT you mean by 'two stops of IQ advantage'. Two stops more DR? Two stops less noise?[/quote]
Too late. You should have asked about 'ISO performance'
A: Two stops less noise.

[quote author=neuroanatomist]Able to SHOUT TWO STOPS LOUDER?[/quote]
If capital letters are 'shouting', then what exclamation marks are for?
Aren't you triggering "troll alert"?

[quote author=neuroanatomist]As for sharpness, while it's true that a multilayer sensor wouldn't need the blurring caused by an AA filter to avoid color moiré, that blurring is predictable and thus highly correctable with sharpening in post, so the true gain in sharpness is minor at best.[/quote]
Not true. "No AA" picture can still be corrected/sharpened better than picture "with AA". Multilayer without AA can be sharpened/"regenerated" even further.

 

[Loswr]

And those additional autofocus pixels likely does not have colour filters. They should not for sake of AF performance

 

[NancyP]

At this point, any announcement would be exciting. Just think, no more speculation threads! Cue in the "whining" threads instead. :

 

[9VIII]

If capital letters are 'shouting', then what exclamation marks are for?

Exclamations. Shouting in text is pretty much established now, in some environments people get fired for typing in all caps.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

I suspect/hope for:
- 5 layer sensor with phase AF capability APS-C w/o AA filter
- 20-24 Mpix
- ca. 10 fps
- VF with >1 magnification, I doubt on hybrid/EVF
- VF AF somewhere between 70D and 5D3

Multilayer sensor technology alone should have two stops of IQ advantage over bayer matrix, plus additional sharpness without AA.
I guess I would be perfectly happy for quite some time with 70D clone featuring multi layer sensor.

On another forum someone claiming to know a tester insists that the 7D replacement will use the 70D sensor, he won't say/doesn't know anything else.

He seems like a poster who has been a credible type, but I guess we will find out whether he really is or not.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Multilayer sensor technology alone should have two stops of IQ advantage over bayer matrix, plus additional sharpness without AA.

I don't understand this statement....are you saying that the extra two stops of exposure latitude will improve per pixel sharpness? I'm not sure I quite understand?

???
And I don't understand where did you get yours. Let's repeat: MULTI LAYER sensor.
Better sharpness will not come from better ISO performance. Sharpness and ISO performance will come together from multi-layer sensor. Do I have to explain HOW?

Actually yes please ;D. How does going to multi-layer give two stops better SNR????? (and even more consider some Bayer are already at least 60% efficient)

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

I suspect/hope for:
- 5 layer sensor with phase AF capability APS-C w/o AA filter
- 20-24 Mpix
- ca. 10 fps
- VF with >1 magnification, I doubt on hybrid/EVF
- VF AF somewhere between 70D and 5D3

Multilayer sensor technology alone should have two stops of IQ advantage over bayer matrix, plus additional sharpness without AA.
I guess I would be perfectly happy for quite some time with 70D clone featuring multi layer sensor.

On another forum someone claiming to know a tester insists that the 7D replacement will use the 70D sensor, he won't say/doesn't know anything else.

He seems like a poster who has been a credible type, but I guess we will find out whether he really is or not.

OOPS, people misinterpreted his post. He was actually talking about the next Rebel when he said that and not about the 7D2. He has no info on the 7D2 sensor at all. It is the next Rebel that will have the same exact sensor as the 70D.

 

[alex_c]

What would be exciting:
Same ergonomics as current 7D (stupid Canon makes them bodies smaller all the time and impossible to held - see 70D) +
same build (yes, would be excited if they do not dumb down!) +
better IQ: no mushy image, better high ISO +
touch screen with good control +
articulated screen.
Wi-Fi, GPS don't matter. Flash and flash control yes!
All under 6D.

 

[Sporgon]

[quote author=neuroanatomist]As for sharpness, while it's true that a multilayer sensor wouldn't need the blurring caused by an AA filter to avoid color moiré, that blurring is predictable and thus highly correctable with sharpening in post, so the true gain in sharpness is minor at best.

Not true. "No AA" picture can still be corrected/sharpened better than picture "with AA". Multilayer without AA can be sharpened/"regenerated" even further.
[/quote]

All the practical evidence from people who have two cameras identical other than with, or without AA filter, ie. Nikon D800/800e and Pentax K5II/n (or whatever it's called) is that there is no perceivable difference after applying suitable un-sharp mask.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

[quote author=neuroanatomist]As for sharpness, while it's true that a multilayer sensor wouldn't need the blurring caused by an AA filter to avoid color moiré, that blurring is predictable and thus highly correctable with sharpening in post, so the true gain in sharpness is minor at best.

Not true. "No AA" picture can still be corrected/sharpened better than picture "with AA". Multilayer without AA can be sharpened/"regenerated" even further.

All the practical evidence from people who have two cameras identical other than with, or without AA filter, ie. Nikon D800/800e and Pentax K5II/n (or whatever it's called) is that there is no perceivable difference after applying suitable un-sharp mask.
[/quote]

no AA is still a touch crisper, but also with false 'detail' and more issues
I don't think sensor densities are high enough yet for no AA filter to be wise.