Expect Higher End Products at CP+ in February

[Tugela]

there is not that much space between the T5i and 7D2 outside of build quality anyway.

Dude....seriously?

Yes, seriously.

 

[Maiaibing]

Am I the only one reading this site/forum with a gross income under $18k/year?

I don't upgrade with each new generation. I make my equipment last as long as possible, even if parts of it break.

1) Could be. Even if photography has become much cheaper high end DSLR equipement is still very expensive. So a majority of the people discussing the newest and brightest offerings will tend to have money to spend.

2) Way to go!

Happy shooting!

 

[Marsu42]

Am I the only one reading this site/forum with a gross income under $18k/year? For me to invest in something like a 5D3, even just a body, would be a significant chunk'o'change. The powershots are easily in my price range, although they aren't specifically the type of camera I'm looking at.

Nope, Mr. Budget over here, too. I took ages to decide if I could afford a 5d3 and finally decided against it, even if the 6d's af system is a pita. And this was a one-time purchase, I cannot upgrade this every other year and hope it will last some.

I plan to use it for, among other things, recording church music, and I'll want to be able to zoom from capturing an entire 200-300-member (or so) choir to zeroing in on an individual singer's face, even if it involves using a "lossless" digital zoom/crop on-the-fly in video mode cause the optical lens doesn't go far enough.

Don't you do any post-processing at all, so you depend on in-camera cropping?

For this p&s gadgets, you've got the whole market to choose from as you always replace the whole camera, body and lens together. I imagine other manufacturers might be more competitive price-wise. But "movement at long range in low light" is one of the most demanding scenes possible.

 

[Maiaibing]

I'm always hearing about these possible dev announcements when expected/rumored products are delayed - but does Canon actually do these?

I imagine they've got burned by the 1dx (and other) product delays and now only announce something if they've finished "developing" it and are sure it'll be ready for prime time after a few cosmetic tweaks?

What I have noticed is that - for whatever reason - Canon nowadays bring their DSLRs to market within a few weeks after announcement.

 

[Maui5150]

since there is not that much space between the T5i and 7D2 outside of build quality anyway.

Yeah and there is not much space between an Audi A8 and a Toyota Corolla except build quality I suppose.

FPS?
AF?
Noise?
Weather Sealing?

There is a huge performance difference between the t5i and the 7D MK II which is about 2 - 3 times the camera and the price accurately reflects that

 

[ewg963]

It won't be the camera to take current T5i users to the next level since there is not that much space between the T5i and 7D2 outside of build quality anyway.

Wow easy on the coffee there....

 

[Pitbullo]

They will announce a high MP mirrorless. Didn't one of Canons bosses say we should expect such a thing very soon?

 

[The Flasher]

The EF 11-24 f/4L</a> could also make an appearance, this lens has been all but confirmed.

I'm smilin'

 

[Marsu42]

It won't be the camera to take current T5i users to the next level since there is not that much space between the T5i and 7D2 outside of build quality anyway.

Wow easy on the coffee there....

... I agree the statement sounds ridiculous at first, but if you think about it, it depends on the perspective.

You can either look at the features that evolved during the last couple of years, and look at boderline shooting situations like fast fps tracking, low light, thin dof, shooting in snow and rain.

But: in the big picture since the dawn of digital dslr cameras, they are indeed rather similar: Same basic design, not too much resolution difference, same firmware foundation, the iq is a wash at base is w/o too much dynamic range. Both are crop cameras after all, and the unexpected pleasant release of the 7d2 doesn't change that. There's a reason a *lot* of people seem to be just fine using a Rebel with will appear as "high end" coming from a p&s.

 

[dstppy]

They are the Nero of the imaging world I think.

You're saying that like Nero, Canon is about to be redeemed because in fact most actions are sensible - but the reputation is intentionally hampered by 3rd parties baring a grudge? And the Sonikon competition needs a scarecrow to make their gadgets appear innovative, just like the early Christian church characterized Nero as the antichrist because it made them appear as heroic martyrs?

+1 we went from a place with exceptional posters to a place where people posting helpful things (Neuro) are an exception . . . seriously . . . what the heck?

CES has always been the SEMA of the electronics world . . . lots of oooh-ahhh stuff, but nothing awesome that's going to make it to the mainstream market any time soon.

As for complaining about yearly refreshes of P&S, I'd ask those offended to kindly shut up. People don't buy the SX10 IS, then the SX20 IS, then the SX30 IS . . . when they're ready for new gear, they buy the current version. SX10-> SX40 specs, but waited four years, we'd get the same a-bags that complain about old sensor tech in cameras.

P&S sales pay the bills. Trickle-down of features guarantees that higher-end cameras get refreshed with newer, better features. Look at the 70D, everyone started freaking out it was so good . . . wait, wasn't Canon supposed to go out of business because no one would buy higher-end cameras when that came out? :

 

[Loswr]

CES is usually when they release their consumer video options, with NAB for the professional options. Obviously they have nothing for the consumer in 2015 on the video front...

Yes, obviously... :

http://www.canonrumors.com/2015/01/canon-updates-compact-powerful-vixia-hf-r-series-camcorders/

(Please note I'm not commenting on the quality/advancement of the offerings, just pointing out they do have something new. Personally I have a Vixia HF M41 from 2011, it's very good and I've seen nothing more recent that tempts me to upgrade.)

They are not "new". The R60/62 are just repackaged versions of last years R50/52, which in turn were repackaged versions of the previous years R40/42.

Do you not understand the meaning of the word 'new'?

new (no͞o/) adjective
1. not existing before; made, introduced, or discovered recently or now for the first time.

Was the 2015 Toyota Corolla new? The only real difference from 2014 was the addition of a fold-down rear seat armrest. But it's a model year newer, with concomitant effects on depreciations and resale value.

there is not that much space between the T5i and 7D2 outside of build quality anyway.

why stop there....

there is not much space between an iPhone and a 1DX.... besides, the iPhone sensor has greater quantum efficiency so unless apple buys out Canon, there is no hope for the future.... and neither has the battery life of a box of coloured pencils.

It is very easy to say stuff that does not make much sense

An excellent response to an asinine comment.

It won't be the camera to take current T5i users to the next level since there is not that much space between the T5i and 7D2 outside of build quality anyway.

Wow easy on the coffee there....

... I agree the statement sounds ridiculous at first, but if you think about it, it depends on the perspective.

But: in the big picture since the dawn of digital dslr cameras, they are indeed rather similar:

Yes, and as Don points out 'in the grand scheme of things' there's really not much difference between an iPhone and a 1D X, or for that matter between a 2015 Toyota Corolla and a 1958 Edsel. The only 'real' changes are horse and buggy to automobile and film camera to digital camera....from a certain point of view.

 

[privatebydesign]

The 11-24 f4 doesn't make much sense to me bearing in mind the 16-35 f4 L IS, sure there is a big difference between 11 and 16, but it gets ever more difficult to use effectively. If it does get announced the 11-24 is still only f4, it doesn't have IS, it won't take filters easily and any filter solution will be expensive, and the lens will cost considerably more than the very well rated 16-35 f4.

I predict, if it does get released, it will be bought by a very few who will initially marvel at the fov, it will get glowing reviews too, but it will not get the overall sales numbers because the advantages don't overcome the disadvantages for the vast majority of ultra wide shooters, and those that do own it will not use it regulraly. However a 12/14-24/30 f2.8 would have been a killer lens, give it IS and it would have had the potential to be a system enhancer that genuinely could have won new purchasers to the Canon family.

Oh Canon! Another missed opportunity.

 

[Cory]

Don't we already have higher-end with the EOS M?

 

[Don Haines]

Yes, and as Don points out 'in the grand scheme of things' there's really not much difference between an iPhone and a 1D X, or for that matter between a 2015 Toyota Corolla and a 1958 Edsel. The only 'real' changes are horse and buggy to automobile and film camera to digital camera....from a certain point of view.

The thing is, as technology matures, we are approaching convergence. The days of a new model out every year with significant improvements are gone. Look at the difference between the high end cameras and the introductory cameras and you will not see very much difference between models and manufacturers when it comes down to basic image quality. Yes, there are differences, but they are small and getting smaller....

The only real way to differentiate between high end and introductory are the features, like better build, more complex AF systems, faster frame rate, etc... Realistically, we are at the point where your choice of lens will have more impact on your photos than the choice of camera body or your choice of manufacturer.

 

[tpatana]

The 11-24 f4 doesn't make much sense to me bearing in mind the 16-35 f4 L IS, sure there is a big difference between 11 and 16, but it gets ever more difficult to use effectively.

For me, the 16 -> 11 is not the most important aspect, I'm waiting for the IQ/sharpness/distortion -figures. If they could match certain other manufacturer 12-24 quality, I think the lens would sell plenty.

 

[privatebydesign]

The 11-24 f4 doesn't make much sense to me bearing in mind the 16-35 f4 L IS, sure there is a big difference between 11 and 16, but it gets ever more difficult to use effectively.

For me, the 16 -> 11 is not the most important aspect, I'm waiting for the IQ/sharpness/distortion -figures. If they could match certain other manufacturer 12-24 quality, I think the lens would sell plenty.

Who, Sigma? If Canon can't beat a sub $900 Sigma IQ then they won't sell more than a couple of dozen 11-24's, the launch price is bound to be over $2,000.

 

[Maiaibing]

we are at the point where your choice of lens will have more impact on your photos than the choice of camera body or your choice of manufacturer.

I'd say we have been there for years already. I'd much rather shoot a Rebel DSLR with the best lenses than a 5DIII with a kit lens.

 

[chmod]

Face it folks.

Someone at the very top of the Canon food chain decided, literally years ago, to stick with big old bodies and crappy handhelds. So this is what we get as announcements.

Like GM decades ago - they focused upon the wrong products and ignored the nimble little imports being purchased like snacks.

Mirrorless = subcompacts.

Canon is facing a total fail and too full of hubris to admit it.

I sold my 1DX and all my L primes. Not looking back. enjoy your PowerShots and shoulder killing full size units.

chmod

 

[privatebydesign]

Face it folks.

Someone at the very top of the Canon food chain decided, literally years ago, to stick with big old bodies and crappy handhelds. So this is what we get as announcements.

Like GM decades ago - they focused upon the wrong products and ignored the nimble little imports being purchased like snacks.

Mirrorless = subcompacts.

Canon is facing a total fail and too full of hubris to admit it.

I sold my 1DX and all my L primes. Not looking back. enjoy your PowerShots and shoulder killing full size units.

chmod

You might have a point, but you failed to make it.

The best selling vehicle in the USA last year was the Ford 150 pickup, made in the USA. The second best selling vehicle was the Chevy Silverado pickup truck, made in the USA. The fourth best selling vehicle in the USA was the Dodge Ram pickup truck, made in the USA. If you are interested, the third best selling vehicle sold in the USA in 2014 was the Toyota Camry, made in the USA. None of them are imports and only one nimble.

Actually you probably did make your point, mirrorless might be popular in other parts of the world but they don't make a serious impact on sales in the USA.

 

[Dylan777]

Face it folks.

Someone at the very top of the Canon food chain decided, literally years ago, to stick with big old bodies and crappy handhelds. So this is what we get as announcements.

Like GM decades ago - they focused upon the wrong products and ignored the nimble little imports being purchased like snacks.

Mirrorless = subcompacts.

Canon is facing a total fail and too full of hubris to admit it.

I sold my 1DX and all my L primes. Not looking back. enjoy your PowerShots and shoulder killing full size units.

chmod

I still carry my RX1 here and there. Yes it's light weight and small.

However when my 6yrs competing in indoor swimming, my 1DX + 400mm f2.8 IS II or 200mm f2 IS are my weapons. With all cameras in today market, there is no other cameras can beat the 1DX. The world is not perfect, therefore, there is no perfect camera for everyone. Buy the ones that fit you best