High Megapixel Camera Coming in 2015 [CR3]

[jebrady03]

Admin - have you excluded the possibility that this is a 23-25 mp DPAF sensor? I believe we were previously led to believe that Canon was launching a high MP APSC sensor (which later turned out to be a 40 million photosite 70D which takes 20 megapixel pictures). Just checking to see if that's the same thing here. If it's a 5D model, the line Canon is known for video, I could absolutely see this being the case.

 

[Lee Jay]

It would interest me if it has the following:

A 5DIV like body and price.
At least two, preferably three high-speed modes (pixel binning full-frame [quarter pixels], 1.4-crop [half pixels], 2.0-crop [quarter pixels]). I'm happy with 4fps at full-res, but I'd like 6+ in the other modes.
Dual pixel technology.

And, as a bonus, I'd really, really like a built-in flash.

If you just took a 7D Mark II, same pixels, same body, same everything, and scaled up the sensor, it would be just over 50MP. That would be pretty good for me.

Lee Jay

 

[wockawocka]

Please be medium format, please be medium format pleas...

 

[jasny]

Admin - have you excluded the possibility that this is a 23-25 mp DPAF sensor? I believe we were previously led to believe that Canon was launching a high MP APSC sensor (which later turned out to be a 40 million photosite 70D which takes 20 megapixel pictures). Just checking to see if that's the same thing here. If it's a 5D model, the line Canon is known for video, I could absolutely see this being the case.

No, it will be "pure" (no DPAF) high res sensor body. Possibly build around Sony sensor (not sure).
From technical point of view it would be better to put that sensor into mirrorless body, but I don't think they are going to do it.

 

[takesome1]

Landscape AND Studio body?

It would have the same pixel density as the 7D2/70D and thus places the same requirements on holding the camera still, lens quality in the centre, etc.

Are those two cameras landscape/studio bodies?

It is not the number of pixels that will make it a Landscape and Studio body, it will because it is Full Frame.

I thought holding the camera still with a tripod and having a quality lens go hand in hand with Landscape photography. This doesn't sound like an issue to me.

 

[StudentOfLight]

When does diffraction kick in on a 50mp 35mm sensor?! How would this be good for landscapes or studio shots where you stop down? Wouldn't scaling up a lower mp shot probably look the same?

I believe the formula is as follows:

DLA = (Pixel Pitch) * (constant)
= ((Sensor Area/MegaPixels)^0.5)/(CropFactor) * (constant)
= ((864/50)^0.5)/1) * (1.59)
= f/6.6

 

[Lee Jay]

When does diffraction kick in on a 50mp 35mm sensor?! How would this be good for landscapes or studio shots where you stop down? Wouldn't scaling up a lower mp shot probably look the same?

Diffraction is always present. So I don't know what "kicks in" means.

These would be about 4 micron pixels. Here's a chart for how diffraction affects MTF.

 

[Eldar]

The 5DIII will be 3 years old in March next year. A move to 50MP will pretty much follow Moor´s law. That same law should indicate just over a doubling of its computing power and given the speed of new memory cards, we should a least expect a camera that could chew 50MP at a slightly higher speed than the 5DIII and thus see at least 6, probably 8 fps.

As for AF system, there is no reason not to expect something beyond what the 7DII have. And I don´t see why we should´t expect more intelligence and speed in the processing part of it. More AF points, better tracking, better coverage of the image area etc.

The big questions for me though are what we will see in terms of DR, noise and ISO performance. A 5DIII just ramped up to 50MP and the rest same same ... Not tempting enough.

 

[Mitch.Conner]

More megapixels is only part of the problem.

Better megapixels is the more significant problem that Canon faces.

If it simple scales up any of its current APS-C sensors to full frame then it won't address the megapixel quality problem.

On the other hand if it gets a 46MP sensor from Sony, well, all bets are off....

Sir, I do not think, that Conon will release an "bad-sensored" camerabody. Maybe the IQ is not the the IQ you get from the Nikon D800E or Sony A7 36MP. I hope - it will be on an equal level like the IQ of todays Canon products.
Just think of, what will happen to Canon if this Camera is rubbish? They will never release an under-average product.
Maybe it took so long to developa an good high MP sensor.

Wasn't that what the EOS-M was considered to be by many... even Canon themselves(recently)?

 

[PureClassA]

The most limiting factor at this stage is processing power. Let's say this new rig DOES do 4fps at 50MP. Fine. That's all you need for portraits and critical work.

Now flip the switch to a 20MP Crop mode and maybe get 8-10 FPS?!?! Now that would be cool. You're cutting back on the data stream so assuming the shutter could keep up (and why not?) that makes a lot of sense. Then if they DO make a new 1DX2 body on top of it, we could see a real beast that can do FF at 10+ fps and 40-50MP with a brand new 120 point AF system or something of the sort.

 

[lintoni]

Admin - have you excluded the possibility that this is a 23-25 mp DPAF sensor? I believe we were previously led to believe that Canon was launching a high MP APSC sensor (which later turned out to be a 40 million photosite 70D which takes 20 megapixel pictures). Just checking to see if that's the same thing here. If it's a 5D model, the line Canon is known for video, I could absolutely see this being the case.

No, it will be "pure" (no DPAF) high res sensor body. Possibly build around Sony sensor (not sure).
From technical point of view it would be better to put that sensor into mirrorless body, but I don't think they are going to do it.

Could you explain why the sensor would be better in a MILC, rather than a dSLR (from a technical point of view)?

 

[Lee Jay]

Admin - have you excluded the possibility that this is a 23-25 mp DPAF sensor? I believe we were previously led to believe that Canon was launching a high MP APSC sensor (which later turned out to be a 40 million photosite 70D which takes 20 megapixel pictures). Just checking to see if that's the same thing here. If it's a 5D model, the line Canon is known for video, I could absolutely see this being the case.

No, it will be "pure" (no DPAF) high res sensor body. Possibly build around Sony sensor (not sure).
From technical point of view it would be better to put that sensor into mirrorless body, but I don't think they are going to do it.

Could you explain why the sensor would be better in a MILC, rather than a dSLR (from a technical point of view)?

He's probably thinking mirror slap, which is a non-issue except in very extreme situations (it matters when I have my camera mounted to my 2,800mm telescope).

 

[jasny]

Admin - have you excluded the possibility that this is a 23-25 mp DPAF sensor? I believe we were previously led to believe that Canon was launching a high MP APSC sensor (which later turned out to be a 40 million photosite 70D which takes 20 megapixel pictures). Just checking to see if that's the same thing here. If it's a 5D model, the line Canon is known for video, I could absolutely see this being the case.

No, it will be "pure" (no DPAF) high res sensor body. Possibly build around Sony sensor (not sure).
From technical point of view it would be better to put that sensor into mirrorless body, but I don't think they are going to do it.

Could you explain why the sensor would be better in a MILC, rather than a dSLR (from a technical point of view)?

1. No mirror = no vibrations = better use of high res.
2. CDAF for more precise autofocus

High res body surely won't be an action camera, so mirrorless would be just right

 

[Lee Jay]

1. No mirror = no vibrations = better use of high res.

This is total baloney. DSLRs have mirror lock up for when that's required, plus shutter actuation does cause vibration in any camera with a shutter.

 

[Don Haines]

No, it will be "pure" (no DPAF) high res sensor body. Possibly build around Sony sensor (not sure).

And you know this how????

how do you know it won't be a FF sized 7D2? Canon is very good at keeping secrets, yet those of us on rumours group always seem to know the answers.....

 

[jasny]

1. No mirror = no vibrations = better use of high res.

This is total baloney. DSLRs have mirror lock up for when that's required, plus shutter actuation does cause vibration in any camera with a shutter.

There are measures to limit shutter vibration or even eliminate it. Apart from technical details, I like even silent shutter mode in 6d or 70d. More sharp images with longer exposures.

 

[lintoni]

1. No mirror = no vibrations = better use of high res.

This is total baloney. DSLRs have mirror lock up for when that's required, plus shutter actuation does cause vibration in any camera with a shutter.

This

The Sony A7R is well known for vibrations with its shutter.

 

[CarlMillerPhoto]

Please be medium format, please be medium format pleas...

That would be awesome, but would also mean a whole new lens mount and line of glass. I would give Canon a giant pass for their stagnation these days (seriously, no stabilized 24-70 f/2.8 yet to compete with Tamron?!) if its because they're going all in on the MF market.

 

[Maui5150]

I bet on it being a Canon sensor. My guess is it will have the 5DIII AF System, and probably less than 4 fps.

Huh? Not 14 fps? All the pundits will say what a crap camera is.... then again, must don't take time to realize that 4 fps on a 50 MP camera is probably around 250 MP/second depending on actual exposure data captured or around 8 - 10 fps for a camera like the 5d MK III.

A 50 that does 4 FPS is fine by me

 

[Dylan777]

It always nice to see CR3. At this moment in my life, I just don't see myself owing 50MP camera. I'm sure there plenty shooters out there are in need for high MP body. Good days are ahead of us....