High Megapixel Camera Coming in 2015 [CR3]
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Lee Jay said:
Just curious how polarizing the AA filter is for the various camps. I really don't understand it as a feature / value proposition.
AA filter = a positive for folks shooting video, right? Something to do with moire?
No-AA filter = a positive for detail / sharpness / resolution junkies, right? Landscapers and... macro folks, perhaps?
(The above is my terrible understanding of this presented as a skeleton for more knowledgable folks to beat up / rearrange for my betterment).
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DarkKnightNine
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HurtinMinorKey said:
I'm pretty sure they DO NOT and I know for a fact that the ST-E3-RT Transmitter DOES NOT. They can be fired optically with another 600EX-RT but not optically with anything else. Normally this isn't a problem, but I sometimes mix my Profoto strobes with Speedlites on location and it presents it's challenges. Fortunately Profotos do fire optically when they see my Speedlites fire, but it would be nice to fire everything from my Profoto remote rather than relying on my Speedlites to fire my studio strobes. However at this point we are getting off subject, so let's get back to that new 50MP goodie shall we?
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Well for me... I have an SL1 on my belt, a 7D2 for sports/wildlife/BIF and a 5D3 for landscapes/portraits/low light and everything else.... not clear to me why I would buy a 50MP camera (just landscapes???)
Some of my buddies that shoot the Nikon have complained about their 36MP camera in that their Computer bogs down with so much info (think Raw file size) ... almost all have had to then go out and buy bigger/faster computers for PP and storage! Something else to consider!
Some of my buddies that shoot the Nikon have complained about their 36MP camera in that their Computer bogs down with so much info (think Raw file size) ... almost all have had to then go out and buy bigger/faster computers for PP and storage! Something else to consider!
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Errr... of the four EF-M lenses we get to choose from... (11-22, 18-55, 22, 55-200)ahsanford said:raptor3x said:
I'll edit your sentence above. :I stand behind the original argument.
I agree with you completely (it's a great lens), but that's like enjoying your new car... that doesn't have brakes or any gears above second. EOS-M is super-high IQ point and shoot that happens to have a removable lens mount for some reason. But until the EVF and native EF-M glass comes forward, it's DOA competitively as a standalone system.
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cnardo said:Well for me... I have an SL1 on my belt, a 7D2 for sports/wildlife/BIF and a 5D3 for landscapes/portraits/low light and everything else.... not clear to me why I would buy a 50MP camera (just landscapes???)
Some of my buddies that shoot the Nikon have complained about their 36MP camera in that their Computer bogs down with so much info (think Raw file size) ... almost all have had to then go out and buy bigger/faster computers for PP and storage! Something else to consider!
Everyone said that would happen when the D800 was announced and sure enough, it happened. But people used it and said "this is worth getting a faster computer and a bigger hard drive." Nikon of course now has the FrankeNikon 24 MP D750 which is being viewed as a pretty well put together FF rig without the burden of the huge files. As inventory and obsolescence-insane having many non-gripped FF bodies is, it lets Nikon scratch some different userbases itches really hard -- one high resolution monster, one higher burst with a tilty/flippy screen, one more vanilla for cost, perhaps a nearly-dedicated video rig like the a7S someday, etc.
But back to your point -- I think if the sensor is worth it (interpret that as you will), people will cope and get the hardware they need to manage it. I imagine this same discussion happened when Canon offered 21.1 MP bodies years ago, right?
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tron said:Errr... of the four EF-M lenses we get to choose from... (11-22, 18-55, 22, 55-200)ahsanford said:raptor3x said:
I'll edit your sentence above. :
I agree with you completely (it's a great lens), but that's like enjoying your new car... that doesn't have brakes or any gears above second. EOS-M is super-high IQ point and shoot that happens to have a removable lens mount for some reason. But until the EVF and native EF-M glass comes forward, it's DOA competitively as a standalone system.
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Not available where I live (in the US), at least not at B&H. Only the 22 prime and 18-55 are available there. I seem to recall Canon formally shooting itself in the foot by not offering some EF-M lenses stateside because we (figuratively) gave them the finger when EOS-M was released and we didn't buy that many of them.
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I agree....ahsanford said:cnardo said:Well for me... I have an SL1 on my belt, a 7D2 for sports/wildlife/BIF and a 5D3 for landscapes/portraits/low light and everything else.... not clear to me why I would buy a 50MP camera (just landscapes???)
Some of my buddies that shoot the Nikon have complained about their 36MP camera in that their Computer bogs down with so much info (think Raw file size) ... almost all have had to then go out and buy bigger/faster computers for PP and storage! Something else to consider!
Everyone said that would happen when the D800 was announced and sure enough, it happened. But people used it and said "this is worth getting a faster computer and a bigger hard drive." Nikon of course now has the FrankeNikon 24 MP D750 which is being viewed as a pretty well put together FF rig without the burden of the huge files. As inventory and obsolescence-insane having many non-gripped FF bodies is, it lets Nikon scratch some different userbases itches really hard -- one high resolution monster, one higher burst with a tilty/flippy screen, one more vanilla for cost, perhaps a nearly-dedicated video rig like the a7S someday, etc.
But back to your point -- I think if the sensor is worth it (interpret that as you will), people will cope and get the hardware they need to manage it. I imagine this same discussion happened when Canon offered 21.1 MP bodies years ago, right?
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Spending $3000 to $4000 on a camera and not spending $200 on a hard drive seems like an unlikely pairing....
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DarkKnightNine
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Sportsgal501 said:
FF is a must if I were considering this camera. I couldn't image getting decent performance from 50MP squeezed onto an APS-C sized sensor. Larger than FF would be a very welcomed surprise that would have me crying with tears of joy.
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Don Haines said:I agree....ahsanford said:cnardo said:Well for me... I have an SL1 on my belt, a 7D2 for sports/wildlife/BIF and a 5D3 for landscapes/portraits/low light and everything else.... not clear to me why I would buy a 50MP camera (just landscapes???)
Some of my buddies that shoot the Nikon have complained about their 36MP camera in that their Computer bogs down with so much info (think Raw file size) ... almost all have had to then go out and buy bigger/faster computers for PP and storage! Something else to consider!
Everyone said that would happen when the D800 was announced and sure enough, it happened. But people used it and said "this is worth getting a faster computer and a bigger hard drive." Nikon of course now has the FrankeNikon 24 MP D750 which is being viewed as a pretty well put together FF rig without the burden of the huge files. As inventory and obsolescence-insane having many non-gripped FF bodies is, it lets Nikon scratch some different userbases itches really hard -- one high resolution monster, one higher burst with a tilty/flippy screen, one more vanilla for cost, perhaps a nearly-dedicated video rig like the a7S someday, etc.
But back to your point -- I think if the sensor is worth it (interpret that as you will), people will cope and get the hardware they need to manage it. I imagine this same discussion happened when Canon offered 21.1 MP bodies years ago, right?
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Spending $3000 to $4000 on a camera and not spending $200 on a hard drive seems like an unlikely pairing....
I agree - in my case, I keep four copies, two on laptop drives (on laptops) and two on external drives (one on-site, one off-site). So, 2TB of storage would cost me about $500, and 50MP raw files would burn that every 20,000 shots or so (so, about a year for me).
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ahsanford said:
High MP have less moiree issues as there's less interpolation which causes it. In advertising photography the more MP the better, as art directors/clients end up cropping into images in order to satisfy layout - we always shoot loose to accommodate this. Having shot with a demo a7r I can tell you that with 36MP, no AA and the right lens the sharpness, resolution and DR are outstanding. All of my Canon bodies go mushy when cropped in. There are other issues with the a7r but as an example of sensor performance it's spot on.
No AA filter = Definite sale
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DarkKnightNine said:
I hate to throw the gauntlet down, but I think it has to be FF. APS-C just got their once-every-five-years flagship, and now FF (typically a 3-4 year cycle according to Northlight's timelines) gets it's turn.
MF would be stellar but Canon is choking at supporting so many mounts today as it is, and MF means a new mount and new glass, right?
And if a new mount is going to happen, I'd bet the farm it would be for FF mirrorless and not for MF. The FF market is so much larger that I cannot see Canon letting the A7 brand run riot unopposed for much longer.
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Bruce Photography
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You have made a good point about the 5DIII birthday. I was surprised when Canon came up with the 7D2 without a significant sensor jump. However with Lexar making their 2000X SD cards UH3, perhaps in the next year (or 2), Canon may feel that it is time to have a high MP sensor with dual processors to give a 6FPS rate. If so and if they had even image quality that I see from the Sony sensors in the form of the D810, I will buy Canon once again. I have missed using my great Canon tilt shift lenses as well as my 500mm supertele.Eldar said:
I know it is too early to ask such a question, but... When will this announcement be and does this 2015 mean delivery this year or sometime in 2016? It seems to me that at least six months can lapse between the announcement and actual in stock status at B&H. I'm also wondering if Nikon will just be sleeping all the time that Canon will be "developing."
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Bruce Photography said:
Highly doubt you'll see much more than 4 FPS from any cameras wielding the next gen of high MP sensors in the near future. The Sony rumor is a 46 MP sensor is coming, and their folks aren't expecting a high frame rate at first either.
I think the cadence would be:
2015 -- High MP FF rig with modest frame rate, say 4 FPS
2016 -- Same sensor with a souped up processor / buffer / card throughput and (what) 6-8 fps?
The missing bit for me is what Canon will do with another FF rig due for an upgrade -- the 1DX. It was supposed to be the merging of the studio 1Ds line and the sports/wildlife 1D4 line, and it was decent at that task. I say decent in that it's a stellar camera, but each camp had one hand behind it's back -- studio/landscape wanted more resolution and sports wanted APS-H reach.
But now, a new 50 MP FF rig cannot possibly push out anything near the 12-14 fps the 1DX can now (not at full res at least). So Canon is stuck with a difficult choice here:
- Split the 1DX back into its two camps and offer two new 1D bodies: one that is high res / low FPS for studio or landscape work and another with a different lower-res sensor that maintains a high burst for sports/wildlife
- Only offer a studio/landscape high MP body and tell sports/wildlife guys to keep using their 1DX's (or possibly their 7D2's) until throughput improves down the road
- Pull a 'sort-of-Nikon' and offer one body that is full res for studio/landscape but at the flick of a switch is a some-sort-of-crop high FPS beast. APS-H fanboys can stop spooning with their 1D4's at night and move on with their lives.
All of those decisions have tradeoffs. Not sure which is best.
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What ahsanford said. I would LOVE to see a high-resolution, high-dynamic-range FF body for landscape shooting. I don't care about video, high stills frame rate, fancy autofocus. Right now I am very happy with my 6D, but would like the additional DR and resolution offered by the Nikon D810 sensor. Some of the MF MA film era legacy (literally) lenses I use would have to be upgraded, no doubt, but I am in the process of doing so anyway. AIS Nikkor 50 f/1.2 and 55 f/3.5 1:2 macro and 105 f/2.5 would become Sigma Art 50 and maybe the Canon 100 2.8L IS macro (I have and really like the 180 f/3.5L macro, but it is heavy on a long hike with a bag of other lenses).
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So if not a 1D series, I guess we may be able to expect either the 5D MK4 , or a 5Ds "studio".
It will definitely be a Canon sensor, and I cant wait to see what they have in store for us. I will love the additional play room and detail with the 50mp. I seen a few mention its benefits to be in scenic shooting, however I see big benefits in fashion work myself. Hopefully we do get a good improvement in noise levels and dynamic range. Personally I don't care if the camera goes over 6400-12,800 ISO max, if it's amazing IQ !!!!
What's with the couple posts of people complaining about how hard it is for their computers to handle large RAW files, like it's a problem with high MP cameras, that's not a camera problem, buy or build a better computer
It will definitely be a Canon sensor, and I cant wait to see what they have in store for us. I will love the additional play room and detail with the 50mp. I seen a few mention its benefits to be in scenic shooting, however I see big benefits in fashion work myself. Hopefully we do get a good improvement in noise levels and dynamic range. Personally I don't care if the camera goes over 6400-12,800 ISO max, if it's amazing IQ !!!!
What's with the couple posts of people complaining about how hard it is for their computers to handle large RAW files, like it's a problem with high MP cameras, that's not a camera problem, buy or build a better computer
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The Flasher said:
You don't know what you're talking about. Interpolation has nothing to do with it.
Read up: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyquist–Shannon_sampling_theorem
Pay special attention to the terms "bandlimited" and "perfect reconstruction" and ask yourself how that can be achieved.
No AA filter = false detail, artifacts and other nasties.
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ahsanford said:
No AA filter = not positive for anything but the company making the camera (AA filters are very expensive optical devices). Removing it does not help image quality, and it does hurt image quality of still images.
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The 7DII is chewing 20,2MP at 10fps and its buffer handles an infinite number of jpegs and about 30 RAW. Which translates to 4 fps and 12-13 RAWs in 50MP terms. But that is if a new camera is a copy of the 7DII for every thing else but resolution. Is that very likely? The 50MP camera comes a year later, will cost more and can justify more computing power, can use faster memory cards etc. etc.ahsanford said:
If this camera includes a sensor that is a D810 basher, with even better DR, noise and ISO performance, then 4fps may be enough. But if it is merely a 50MP "7DII" sensor, it needs to include some other jaw dropping functionality, of which buffer size and fps are two.
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