A high megapixel camera is coming [CR2]

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A reliable source just whispered (thank you!) that Canon is coming out with a new camera.  The source said that the camera will be 75MP.   This has been long rumored since the RF mount came out.
It’s no surprise that Canon is coming out with a high-megapixel camera.  Canon is pretty proud of the megapixel crown from the start of the digital era – they were not going to let Sony have that crown for long.
No other details are known, but if I had to guess I would suspect it would be based upon the R5.
We expect more information soon.

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That would mean that the long-rumoured 90/100MP model was nothing more than a pipe-dream.

But 75MP would IMO be a much wiser choice:

Smaller file sizes
Faster burst speed
Larger buffer
Less need for a super-powerful and ultra-expensive processor
Less noise at high ISO

A few questions:

Will it have 8K?
Will it have the tilting screen preferred by many stills shooters?
Will it be more expensive than the R5C?
 
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Its worth noting that this being the R5s is not guaranteed, it could very well be the other unicorn in the forecasted line up, the R1. The R1 is much more inline with the rumored pixel count.
 
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Its worth noting that this being the R5s is not guaranteed, it could very well be the other unicorn in the forecasted line up, the R1. The R1 is much more inline with the rumored pixel count.
Maybe, but I think the R1 is still some way off. I also think there's a possibility at least, that the R1 will be a dual-resolution camera, switchable between hi-res (80MP?) at low burst speeds, or uncropped lo-res (20MP?) with fast burst speeds and small file sizes. I'm no expert on the technicalities, but perhaps quad-pixel might allow this?
 
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Maybe, but I think the R1 is still some way off. I also think there's a possibility at least, that the R1 will be a dual-resolution camera, switchable between hi-res (80MP?) at low burst speeds, or uncropped lo-res (20MP?) with fast burst speeds and small file sizes. I'm no expert on the technicalities, but perhaps quad-pixel might allow this?
Recent Leica rangefinder has multi resolution sensor which allows for improved DR at lower resolutions.
 
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Recent Leica rangefinder has multi resolution sensor which allows for improved DR at lower resolutions.
I think this is the way forward. It will allow a single body to be used for hi-resolution professional work such as architecture, billboard, landscape etc, none of which need fast fps; and for low resolution work such as sports, action and events, which often need fast fps but also need small file sizes for rapid transmission and processing.
 
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I hope its a highly tuned 75MP sensor with 16-bit readout and a tilt screen instead of a flip out. That would be an excellent FF landscape camera for Canon. Don't compromise image quality for fast shutter or FPS.

I would rather see something that competes against Fuji MF.
 
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Its worth noting that this being the R5s is not guaranteed, it could very well be the other unicorn in the forecasted line up, the R1. The R1 is much more inline with the rumored pixel count.
I doubt it.
Simply because the R1 will most likely do HQ 8K and without a time limit. it would make much more sense being around 45MP for that.

This high MP version will most likely have just basic video functions.
 
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I think this is the way forward. It will allow a single body to be used for hi-resolution professional work such as architecture, billboard, landscape etc, none of which need fast fps; and for low resolution work such as sports, action and events, which often need fast fps but also need small file sizes for rapid transmission and processing.
Why would Canon want to sell you one camera that does everything when they could sell you two cameras that each do half of everything?
 
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Maybe, but I think the R1 is still some way off. I also think there's a possibility at least, that the R1 will be a dual-resolution camera, switchable between hi-res (80MP?) at low burst speeds, or uncropped lo-res (20MP?) with fast burst speeds and small file sizes. I'm no expert on the technicalities, but perhaps quad-pixel might allow this?
Canon did something like this with the M6 Mark II but they cropped the sensor down to 18mp. So it's certainly probable that they could do something.
when you think about it, sRAW and sRAW 2 weren't that far off from that.
Quad pixel wouldn't help - it would actually be the reverse. as if it's 75MP quad that's 300M actual pixels.

But since the R5 can do around 20fps full raw, I would expect this to reach around 12fps which is entirely respectable for most shooting.
 

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Why would Canon want to sell you one camera that does everything when they could sell you two cameras that each do half of everything?
Not everyone, including pros, can afford to buy two of the latest generation of cameras. Many will place greater importance on buying extra (or better) lenses, and will often have one high end body, plus a cheap RP or R as an emergency backup.

But for those who *can* afford two hi-end bodies, it can make a lot of sense if they are identical. There will be many people who want a pair of identical bodies that can serve both for ultra hi-res and action, by simply switching resolution modes. The controls and operation of both bodies will be identical, eliminating any muscle-memory issues.

And, if one of those bodies fails or has to go in for service, you can still shoot any type of project with the identical second body. If you have two different bodies, that may not be possible.
 
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A few questions:
Will it have 8K?
Will it have the tilting screen preferred by many stills shooters?
Will it be more expensive than the R5C?
I think that all cameras with >45mp will have some form of 8k. Whether it is oversampled from 75mp or crop is a different story. Thermal limits will be challenging though for oversampling as IBIS would be mandatory.

To my mind, the only shooters that prefer a tilting screen is for street photography to be discrete. A flippy screen does everything else in portrait or landscape or vlogger or street if you want to. A combination tilt/flip could be an alternative though.

The Z9's price is a challenge for Canon/Sony. Not sure if Canon will ignore it or not.

With R5 @ USD3900 and R5c @ USD4500, people who were almost satisfied with R5 are prepared to spend USD600 more for the video features they need.

The example from the past was 5Div @ USD3500, 5DS @USD3700 and 5DSR @ USD3900 so up to USD400 difference depending on the AA filter. The R5s won't be a volume seller though
 
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Do you think a 75MP quad with 300M actual pixels is beyond Canon's technology?
it would slow down AF. but on a landscape orientated camera that's probably not the worst thing.
as far as FPS,etc .. not really because the pixels are summed at the pixel level.

Also, stacked sensor could be used in this case, to increase effeciency.
 

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To my mind, the only shooters that prefer a tilting screen is for street photography to be discrete. A flippy screen does everything else in portrait or landscape or vlogger or street if you want to. A combination tilt/flip could be an alternative though.
I don't shoot street, but I prefer a tilting screen (or better still, a Panasonic-style tilting/articulated screen). It's *much* easier to follow a moving subject with a tilting screen because it's on-axis with the lens and you don't have to take your eyes off-axis. I find this applies particularly when using a camera at ground level, following the movement of an insect or small animal, which is quite difficult with an articulating screen. The only downside is that tilting screens can't be reversed to protect the glass (again this doesn't apply to Panasonic-style screens).
 
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The Z9's price is a challenge for Canon/Sony. Not sure if Canon will ignore it or not.

With R5 @ USD3900 and R5c @ USD4500, people who were almost satisfied with R5 are prepared to spend USD600 more for the video features they need.
My guess is that Canon originally intended to price the R5C closer to USD5000, but the aggressive pricing of the Z9 caused them to be more realistic.

If this new camera is "just* a 75MP stills-orientated R5 that shoots at lower burst speeds, then I'd expect it to be below the price of the R5C.

But if it turns out to equal the Z9 in speed, has 8K video and a gripped body, it would be a "R1" and I think anything below USD 6000 would be wishful thinking.
 
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Well, the pixel density would be fairly close to the 32 mpx APS-C sensor in one of the M bodies. So it's highly feasible.
Could be interesting.
 

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Just to make everyone's head explode: It's the R7. 75MP crop body. I don't even have to travel to Central America now, I can just photograph the tropical birds from my porch in Massachusetts
 
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