High Megapixel Camera to Come in Two Variants? [CR1]

[Canon Rumors]

<p>An unknown person has sent us a bunch of cryptic information about Canon’s roadmap over the next 6-9 months. I have been unable to confirm any of it, but hopefully this post will help shed some light on things.</p>
<p>We’re told that Canon will introduce a high megapixel camera in Q1 of 2015 and it will be released in two variants. What those two variants are wasn’t mentioned. I do not see Canon doing what Nikon did with the D800 and D800E, I’m thinking that the second variant could possibly be an astronomy version, like the 60Da and 20Da. The other possibility could be an EOS and Cinema EOS version of the camera, and everyone can drool at the possibility of an affordable 4K DSLR from Canon.</p>
<p>It was also stressed that the cameras being talked about wouldn’t be in the $8000-$9000 range like has been discussed recently, and likely cost half of that.</p>
<p>More to come</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">c</span>r</strong></p>
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[Marsu42]

An unknown person has sent us a bunch of cryptic information about Canon’s roadmap over the next 6-9 months. I have been unable to confirm any of it

Yay, that's how we like our rumors :->

The other possibility could be an EOS and Cinema EOS version of the camera

That would probably be it - change a bit of the firmware, add some more cooling and add a couple of €1000 to the price tag of the "base" version just like they did it with the 1dx/1dc.

It was also stressed that the cameras being talked about wouldn’t be in the $8000-$9000 range like has been discussed recently, and likely cost half of that.

"Only" $4000 for Canon's latest and greatest? Honestly, I don't see them doing that as there are a lot of people desperate for a high-mp EOS, so at least the early adopter's price should be a lot higher.

 

[Besisika]

The other possibility could be an EOS and Cinema EOS version of the camera, and everyone can drool at the possibility of an affordable 4K DSLR from Canon.</p>
<p>It was also stressed that the cameras being talked about wouldn’t be in the $8000-$9000 range like has been discussed recently, and likely cost half of that.</p>
<p>More to come</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">c</span>r</strong></p>
<p> </p>
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That would be nice!

 

[justawriter]

It seems that by Easter the MP wars will be blossoming ...
http://petapixel.com/2014/10/09/return-megapixel-wars-sony-announce-46mp-full-frame-camera-q1-2015/#more-147671

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

"Only" $4000 for Canon's latest and greatest? Honestly, I don't see them doing that as there are a lot of people desperate for a high-mp EOS, so at least the early adopter's price should be a lot higher.

Unless it has built-in 4k recording (of top quality and 10bits) and crazy fps for the high MP count, how can they expect to get an early adopter price way above 4k for it?? People can get an A&R+adapter used for half that. Or they could buy a D810 and some lenses. So who would go 8k for some 5-6fps 40MP camera with regular old video when you can it for so much less elsewhere? That would be nuts. And if it lacks the DR, they would be lucky to find buyers at 4k to be honest, that is still more and it would deliver less in terms of IQ.

 

[Marsu42]

That would be nuts.

Imho this isn't the point, people buying all kinds of premium products can be called nuts.

But with the 5d3 release and the multiple delays for lenses and cameras, many Canon users have proven to be rather resistant against "jumping ship". Probably simply because they like their long-term brand, Canon service, Canon usability, Canon whatever and are as conservative as Canon themselves. If you have €25k lenses, another $1000 more or less for a camera that actually makes use of their potential resolution is a minor expense w/o running into compatibility issues with adapters.

 

[tiger82]

The variants are: really expensive and really, really expensive?

 

[Tugela]

That would be nuts.

Imho this isn't the point, people buying all kinds of premium products can be called nuts.

But with the 5d3 release and the multiple delays for lenses and cameras, many Canon users have proven to be rather resistant against "jumping ship". Probably simply because they like their long-term brand, Canon service, Canon usability, Canon whatever and are as conservative as Canon themselves. If you have €25k lenses, another $1000 more or less for a camera that actually makes use of their potential resolution is a minor expense w/o running into compatibility issues with adapters.

That is not really the point. Existing users may be committed to a particular brand, but new users are not. By not competing effectively in the market Canon might think that their current user base will keep on buying their stuff, and that may be correct, but new users are going to buy the best tech available now, which is not Canon. And those users are going to show life long loyalty to whatever choices they make now as well. So, the damage done to Canon's market share might not show up tomorrow, but in a decade or so from now the effects of their short-sightedness is going to manifest itself.

 

[iceman]

That is not really the point. Existing users may be committed to a particular brand, but new users are not. By not competing effectively in the market Canon might think that their current user base will keep on buying their stuff, and that may be correct, but new users are going to buy the best tech available now, which is not Canon. And those users are going to show life long loyalty to whatever choices they make now as well. So, the damage done to Canon's market share might not show up tomorrow, but in a decade or so from now the effects of their short-sightedness is going to manifest itself.

New users won't likely be getting the high end gear, most if not all will get an APS-C sensor in that regard Canon has more options and an advantage in the market. The T3i almost always the #1 seller in Amazon? How many "new" users do you think will get the best tech right off the bat?

 

[weixing]

An unknown person has sent us a bunch of cryptic information about Canon’s roadmap over the next 6-9 months. I have been unable to confirm any of it

Yay, that's how we like our rumors :->

Indeed. Bloody raw! :

It was also stressed that the cameras being talked about wouldn’t be in the $8000-$9000 range like has been discussed recently, and likely cost half of that.

"Only" $4000 for Canon's latest and greatest? Honestly, I don't see them doing that as there are a lot of people desperate for a high-mp EOS, so at least the early adopter's price should be a lot higher.

Yeah, $4k seems pricey, but it's still a LOT better than $9k. The 5D III was $3500 at launch. A $500 premium for ultra high megapixel, especially if it's a layered sensor, doesn't seem radically out of touch. It's still expensive, though, for sure.

I can also get a very high end dual-stage peltier cooled, high resolution, ultra low noise CCD astro camera packed with bells and whistles for that price...so I'm a bit skeptical of one of the versions being an "astro" version. Anyone serious enough about astro to spend that kind of money on a camera is going to go with a cooled CCD. Dark current is a real killer when it comes to astro, so the high end cooling is critical to control it. Plus, to get the best results, you need to do things like guide, which means an off-axis guid port, and monochrome with a filter wheel for narrow band and/or LRGB is WAY superior to any bayer sensor. You can get all that in a single QSI camera...for the same price (~$4000...or less): http://qsimaging.com/600series-overview.html

Hi,
Where is the high MP FF QSI camera you mention in the link??

Have a nice day.

 

[skoobey]

I upgraded to 5dII, but they lost me with the 5dIII. I hoped it was going to be at least 30mpix. So, I skipped it, and concentrated on my skills. I don't care about the brand anymore.

So, unless this offers not only the resolution, but the IQ to boost, I'm skipping again.

1.FAST IMAGE TRANSFER, USB3 and thunderbolt

 

[The Flasher]

This seems to be the growing canon user sentiment; switching to Nikon is too costly, the Sony a7R looking more and more like a viable option. My a7r demo unit arrives this week, will be putting it through its paces shooting mostly architecture, studio ads. For editorial work and other high iso projects, my 6D is a capable tool.

J

 

[Maximilian]

It was also stressed that the cameras being talked about wouldn’t be in the $8000-$9000 range like has been discussed recently, and likely cost half of that.

"Only" $4000 for Canon's latest and greatest? Honestly, I don't see them doing that as there are a lot of people desperate for a high-mp EOS, so at least the early adopter's price should be a lot higher.

Yeah, $4k seems pricey, but it's still a LOT better than $9k. The 5D III was $3500 at launch. A $500 premium for ultra high megapixel, especially if it's a layered sensor, doesn't seem radically out of touch. It's still expensive, though, for sure.

If that rumored price is true, it seems that Canon has recognized that they cannot answer a D8x0 with a premium 1Dwhatever Camera, but they have to get on "budget" (as far as you can call $4k budget).

Maybe that's the differentiation between those two high-MP bodys:
one at $4k weaker housing and less features, medium class AF and low FPS for the enthusiasts
and one at $8k in a 1D housing with top notch features and AF and medum FPS for the pros, that need such a workhorse.
Both using the same sensor, one single Digic the other dual Digic ans so on.
And with enough differentiation they wouldn't cannibalize each other.

We'll see...

 

[Pitbullo]

My bet is that they introduce a dSLR and a mirrorless variant of the same high res camera. Also with a brand new mount for the mirrorless and a lens or two. ;D

 

[Tugela]

That is not really the point. Existing users may be committed to a particular brand, but new users are not. By not competing effectively in the market Canon might think that their current user base will keep on buying their stuff, and that may be correct, but new users are going to buy the best tech available now, which is not Canon. And those users are going to show life long loyalty to whatever choices they make now as well. So, the damage done to Canon's market share might not show up tomorrow, but in a decade or so from now the effects of their short-sightedness is going to manifest itself.

New users won't likely be getting the high end gear, most if not all will get an APS-C sensor in that regard Canon has more options and an advantage in the market. The T3i almost always the #1 seller in Amazon? How many "new" users do you think will get the best tech right off the bat?

And when they get more serious and decide to upgrade? Do you think they are going to choose Canon's yesterday technology or Panasonic/Sony/Samsung's tomorrow technology? People getting into the market, or moving up in their ambitions are not going to be slaves to the gear they already own, they are going to get the most advanced gear they can afford, and Canon doesn't do that any more.

I happen to have a T3i, and have for quite some time. I want a better camera, but I want it to be state of the art if I am going to pay that sort of money. I have a few lenses, but not so many or so expensive that I couldn't switch to a different company. I was hoping that the 7D2 would be that camera, but now that it has arrived it is painfully clear that it is inadequate for my needs.

I also have a G30 for video, and that is a reasonable camera but it suffers from relatively low image quality relative to other camcorders of that level, particularly compared to 2014 4K models. A few months back I bought a Sony RX100M3 for a vacation I went on, and that was an eye opening camera. Obviously it has limitations in IQ due to its size, but the quality of the video it produces is better than the G30 and streets ahead of the T3i. If it wasn't for the limitations of the zoom range I would replace the G30 with it in a heartbeat. If Sony can do this and produce a combination of high quality stills and excellent video that compete with or beat dedicated Canon cameras, and do that in a tiny package (the RX100M3 is a marvel of technology) then why the hell can't Canon??? For the last two-three years now I have been waiting and waiting and waiting for them to get off their butts and deliver, but as yet they have done nothing as far as I can tell other than to repackage old cameras in newer bodies with a few minor tweaks

 

[tomscott]

I think the 7D MKII has 5DMKIII syndrome.

On paper it doesn't look brilliant and re-using current tech, but it seems from everything I've seen and the High ISO samples that this camera is an exceptional performer. It blows away the 7D, 70D and the D7100. It looks like it will be the APC king for the time being.

I think the thing is that the current cameras are very capable atm and if you know what your doing you get fantastic results. I understand people will say well you shouldn't have to and I agree with that to some point.

I feel a lot of people have the grass is greener syndrome and there is new tech therefore that makes your current tech invalid. Its just not the case.

Something is coming and it will be kick ass. My current camera turn around is 3-4 years and I usually adopt about a year in to make sure that problems have been ironed out. Therefore for me I don't feel worried.

I dont understand why all these DR complaints are all coming out now. The D800 was released before the 5DMKIII and the D810 doesn't bring anything worlds apart. That is their answer 21/2 years later?

The 5DMKIII hasn't hit 3 years yet, and anyone complaining now… the situation hasn't changed. So why is it now that DR is suddenly such a big deal, there was loads of troll threads early on then people realised how good the 5DMKIII is and it all calmed down infact you and people going the opposite way moving to the 5D from the D800.

So just chill, time will tell. The only reason it feels so long is because your glued to the computer reading these complaints from niche users.

 

[rfdesigner]

It was also stressed that the cameras being talked about wouldn’t be in the $8000-$9000 range like has been discussed recently, and likely cost half of that.

"Only" $4000 for Canon's latest and greatest? Honestly, I don't see them doing that as there are a lot of people desperate for a high-mp EOS, so at least the early adopter's price should be a lot higher.

Yeah, $4k seems pricey, but it's still a LOT better than $9k. The 5D III was $3500 at launch. A $500 premium for ultra high megapixel, especially if it's a layered sensor, doesn't seem radically out of touch. It's still expensive, though, for sure.

If that rumored price is true, it seems that Canon has recognized that they cannot answer a D8x0 with a premium 1Dwhatever Camera, but they have to get on "budget" (as far as you can call $4k budget).

Maybe that's the differentiation between those two high-MP bodys:
one at $4k weaker housing and less features, medium class AF and low FPS for the enthusiasts
and one at $8k in a 1D housing with top notch features and AF and medum FPS for the pros, that need such a workhorse.
Both using the same sensor, one single Digic the other dual Digic ans so on.
And with enough differentiation they wouldn't cannibalize each other.

We'll see...

You're probably right.

I'm just thinking that a 50Mpix 5DIV with all the bells and whistles off the 5DIII ought be of interest and should command a premium to the 5DIII and stop the leak to Sony.

I can't see the need for a 50Mpix in a 1D. 50Mpix is needed mainly for landscape, and who wants to lug a 1D series up a mountain or whatever?

Maybe what we're looking at is a 3D?.. essentially a derivative of the 6D with 50MPix and 14EV+ DR even if sensitivity is compromised... a dedicated landscape body.

One thought... is it theoretically possible to read a CMOS sensor twice? (same exposure, just read at high and low ISO).. CCD you can't but I don't see why you can't do it with CMOS.. reading the current sensor tech twice could give you much more than 14 EV DR, but would be slower.. which for landscape isn't an issue.

Just wondering if that route is open to Canon without having to go foveon just yet.

Personally I just want Canon to release a cracking upgrade to the 5DIII so that suddenly 5DIIIs become cheap as chips and I can pick one up for tuppence.

 

[Coldhands]

If that rumored price is true, it seems that Canon has recognized that they cannot answer a D8x0 with a premium 1Dwhatever Camera, but they have to get on "budget" (as far as you can call $4k budget).

Maybe that's the differentiation between those two high-MP bodys:
one at $4k weaker housing and less features, medium class AF and low FPS for the enthusiasts
and one at $8k in a 1D housing with top notch features and AF and medum FPS for the pros, that need such a workhorse.
Both using the same sensor, one single Digic the other dual Digic ans so on.
And with enough differentiation they wouldn't cannibalize each other.

We'll see...

That sounds like the most likely scenario to me, as it's exactly how the 1Ds MkIII and 5D MkII were marketed. Same high res (at the time) sensor, but the 1Ds had the "pro" style body, better AF, faster burst, etc while the 5D had more modest specs and cost far less.

 

[hendrik-sg]

That would be nuts.

Imho this isn't the point, people buying all kinds of premium products can be called nuts.

But with the 5d3 release and the multiple delays for lenses and cameras, many Canon users have proven to be rather resistant against "jumping ship". Probably simply because they like their long-term brand, Canon service, Canon usability, Canon whatever and are as conservative as Canon themselves. If you have €25k lenses, another $1000 more or less for a camera that actually makes use of their potential resolution is a minor expense w/o running into compatibility issues with adapters.

That is not really the point. Existing users may be committed to a particular brand, but new users are not. By not competing effectively in the market Canon might think that their current user base will keep on buying their stuff, and that may be correct, but new users are going to buy the best tech available now, which is not Canon. And those users are going to show life long loyalty to whatever choices they make now as well. So, the damage done to Canon's market share might not show up tomorrow, but in a decade or so from now the effects of their short-sightedness is going to manifest itself.

My expierience is the oposite: i know 2 new Canon users, who bought a xxx Line with kit lens who told me, that Nikon would no be on a good Level to date, and a Canon cam would be better. New users often are uninformed and buy what their friend have or wat they see most frequent.

Therfore the market leader is in a Position which is quite comfortable and Canon uses this and is for sure the less innovative photo brand at the Moment, but the most profitable (wich means nothing else than that we pay to much)

To Friends who asked me for advice (for Safari/wildlife) with around 1000E Budget bought 24MP Nikon 5100 with 18-55 & 55-300 tele instead of of Canon xxx with 18MP and 18-55 & 55-250 tele, which gives much better Resolution on distant subjects

For them ist not a question if there is a 17mm TS, or a 8-15 fisheye zoom and which 600mm 4.0 is the better one

Means, this politics (of non inovation) is dangerous and the user opinion can Switch, like about Nokia, Long time they were told to have the most user friendly mobiles) even if there Situation is different in detail

 

[lintoni]

You're probably right.

I'm just thinking that a 50Mpix 5DIV with all the bells and whistles off the 5DIII ought be of interest and should command a premium to the 5DIII and stop the leak to Sony.

I can't see the need for a 50Mpix in a 1D. 50Mpix is needed mainly for landscape, and who wants to lug a 1D series up a mountain or whatever?

Maybe what we're looking at is a 3D?.. essentially a derivative of the 6D with 50MPix and 14EV+ DR even if sensitivity is compromised... a dedicated landscape body.

One thought..'' is it theoretically possible to read a CMOS sensor twice? (same exposure, just read at high and low ISO).. CCD you can't but I don't see why you can't do it with CMOS.. reading the current sensor tech twice could give you much more than 14 EV DR, but would be slower.. which for landscape isn't an issue.

Just wondering if that route is open to Canon without having to go foveon just yet.

Personally I just want Canon to release a cracking upgrade to the 5DIII so that suddenly 5DIIIs become cheap as chips and I can pick one up for tuppence.

Not quite what you're proposing, but Magic Lantern's Dual ISO samples 1/2 the sensor at one ISO and 1/2 the sensor at another ISO - this is done concurrently, so there are no motion artefacts.

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7139.0