I am tired of my 7D markII
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That´s the cost of shipping!I've been recently considering updating my 7d to a 7d2. After reading this thread, I am leaning to a used 1dx and keeping the 5d3 as a backup/ body for the lady. Just seems like too much hassle to get things right.
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That issue with AF inconsistency seems to be very real. I had been considering getting a 7DII soon, so I rented one for the last weekend and gave it a tryout in wildlife enviroment I'm familiar with, so I could have a fair comparison with my 6D that I have been using for years. Guess what. Despite number of AF points in 6d, lacking of more than one cross type af point, focus-and-recompose technique, I found 6D far more reliable and consistent. It did not become obvious until pixel peeping, and most can say there is no visible difference between the two for most uses. But it is what it is. Decide yourself.
Long story short, there is a local lake where I usually go to photograph pond turtles every month. Animals taken shots of were practically stationary, high shutter speed used with the same 400 5.6 L lens. As you can see, on the 6D- despite of focus and recompose- head is tack sharp, even at 100%. On the 7D II, thanks to wide spread coverage, af was dead on the head, however it is out of focus, seems blurry, which first made think it was a slight motion blur. But it wasn't. I shot a sequence of 8 shots (back-focus button on, iTR enabled) and most of them looked even worse. Reflection of the head looks in focus, instead.
Rutting season is on the horizon, and my plan was to get a better wildlife performer camera, but based on these experiences I will think twice about buying a 7D II.
Long story short, there is a local lake where I usually go to photograph pond turtles every month. Animals taken shots of were practically stationary, high shutter speed used with the same 400 5.6 L lens. As you can see, on the 6D- despite of focus and recompose- head is tack sharp, even at 100%. On the 7D II, thanks to wide spread coverage, af was dead on the head, however it is out of focus, seems blurry, which first made think it was a slight motion blur. But it wasn't. I shot a sequence of 8 shots (back-focus button on, iTR enabled) and most of them looked even worse. Reflection of the head looks in focus, instead.
Rutting season is on the horizon, and my plan was to get a better wildlife performer camera, but based on these experiences I will think twice about buying a 7D II.
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Mancubus said:
I still have exaxtly the same prob, call it "haze". Guess that it is softness, not oof, as it appears in liveview, which shouldn`t be affected with the af-problems. Can you prove this?
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AlanF said:
Very interesting, so we have two people starting a thread with same problems. As it looks, many agree and find out that they also suffer from same softness. When I get the OP here right, it is not only a af-problem, it is having soft pics most of the time with telephot-lens, like the polar bear example.
Is it a "batch-problem"? My serial-nr. starts with 06, but, when I bought, it was Firmware 1.02 (in Nov. 2015).
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picturefan said:
As I posted on the post started by picturefan, my 7DII has the exact same problem. When it hits, it's really sharp. The problem is the inconsistency, especially with telephoto lenses (I noticed it on the EF-s 55-250, EF 100-400 II, as well as Sigma 150-600 C).
The inconsistency problem seems to go away at closer distances (near MFD), which I don't know how to explain. At MFD, I almost always get sharp pictures (on the rare occasions where I don't, it's clear user error). Anyone else notice this with their 7DII?
Sent mine in twice (second time with sample pictures), both times Canon returned it with this note: "AF assembly was misaligned. Electrical adjustments were carried out and full function confirmed." I noticed no discernible improvement after both times it was serviced.
My serial# also starts with 06
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These have been an eye opening couple threads on the 7DII issues. Where has everyone been hiding? This has definitely convinced me NOT to pick up a 7Dii off the used market, too great a risk of getting a lemon. Maybe if there is a large enough sampling, we can determine what are safe (relatively) serial numbers to seek out. I never thought I'd appreciate the 1-point AF system on the 6D!
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AdamBotond said:
This is exactly my conclusion comparing my 6D with my 7DII as well. 6D's AF is lacking in many ways (lack of AF point coverage, really slow AI servo, etc), but when it says it acquired focus, it really acquired focus. When the 7DII says it acquired focus, I simply don't know...
I really don't want to give up on my 7DII -- it provides functionality that's otherwise only available with the 1D series and, more importantly, I *know* it's capable of great IQ and sharpness (as seen here with the sample pic I posted in the other thread). But the inconsistency is prevalent and frustrating enough to make me want to give up on it as well.
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AdamBotond said:
When comparing your last picture (7DII crop) to the peaches or the bullfinch pictures in the other thread (http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=30160.30), I´ll guess that it is the same issue. AF really locked on spot, but soft results. I tested this with static objects (peaches) to find out any difference between af, mf, liveview. But the difference was little.
But what are the conclusions?
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Interested in the comments/experiences here.
I bought my 7D2 as a backup last December, as it is a backup I haven't spent much time playing with the AF settings. I have tried a couple of different Case settings - but it doesn't seem to make much difference. Currently I am playing with AF case 5 (in Manual with Auto ISO) normally single point or expanded. I just point, shoot and generally get very good images. I am lucky enough to have some nice glass but in good light the AF and IQ are FAR from shabby compared to my 1DX. Naturally in adverse conditions the 1DX scores, as you would expect.
Overall I am very impressed by the 7D2, especially for the price, but I have only used 5 or 6 of them - so there may be exceptions?
I am sorry that some of you are having problems - hence my interest.
I bought my 7D2 as a backup last December, as it is a backup I haven't spent much time playing with the AF settings. I have tried a couple of different Case settings - but it doesn't seem to make much difference. Currently I am playing with AF case 5 (in Manual with Auto ISO) normally single point or expanded. I just point, shoot and generally get very good images. I am lucky enough to have some nice glass but in good light the AF and IQ are FAR from shabby compared to my 1DX. Naturally in adverse conditions the 1DX scores, as you would expect.
Overall I am very impressed by the 7D2, especially for the price, but I have only used 5 or 6 of them - so there may be exceptions?
I am sorry that some of you are having problems - hence my interest.
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I've been using my 7D2 (serial number beginning with 022 bought new) for quite some time now. At first I thought it was soft or inconsistent, fears fed by fuel of discontent found here on this forum. However, after finding the AF scenario suited to my subjects and AFMA-ing all of lenses (especially the longer ones), I find the AF to be very accurate and reliable. I certainly refined my technique a bit along the way. Perhaps I'm lucky and ended up with a good body. I don't know. I do know that I had to work on the settings before I got consistently acceptable results. Most of the time I use it as a backup with a L zoom of some sort paired with long prime on a FF body. Some of the complaints posted to this thread are with using 3rd party lenses and some of the issue may be that tiny pixels will expose the weaknesses in optics and/or 3rd party implementations of the Canon AF protocols.
I do hope you find a solution and get to enjoy the 7D2.
I do hope you find a solution and get to enjoy the 7D2.
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JMZawodny said:
Hello JMZ
Believe me, my wishes where that like you i could find a solution to this...But honestly i think i have tried everything...I got crazy with afma´s, with settings, with AF variables....come on...I don´t see this in any other cameras! This is insane! I am hoping that somehow i can fix the problem, but i think i will never take a shot with this camera without shaking heart and praying that the photo could be sharp...
Honestly i do think this is about some kind of construction issue or whatever because i already seen good photos taken with this camera. And i also got some good photos with her. But is just a shot in the dark! and i just cannot accept this in a combo of aproximatly 10.000€ 7D markII and 500mm F4 IS L. This combo should work perfectly. Like it works perfectly in my 5D3.
There are a lot of reports of the same problem around the internet, so honestly....this is not a problem of learning how the machine works....i do really think something is wrong with multiple bodys of the 7D markII.
Well, i will continue digging, trying to find a solution here, but honestly and again...i am tired of sending photos of great moments to the trash, just because they are soft when they shouldn´t be...
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I no longer have my 7D2, but for record-keeping purposes, according to RAW files taken with that camera, FWIW its serial number began with 022. Had similar issues compared to what everyone else is describing. Hit rate during certain performers at an ice show was as low as 15% (that's an all-time record, not even Rebels are that bad!!). Yet, during others, it was as high as 60-75%. Average seemed around ~40%, a step down from my previous camera. After some time wrestling with settings, etc. I determined it wasn't me but the camera...there were times where results were decent (daylight, close to MFD), but at the end of the day I just couldn't deal with that kind of inconsistency any more.
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Hi,
My 7D2 serial number start with 028 brought new. I don't think I had the problem... if lighting is good and subject is not too small, the AF is usually quite accurate...
Anyway, I found that for non-moving or very slow moving subject especially if the subject is small (same size as focus point or smaller), the initial focusing using AI servo is sometime not very accurate... I found using single-shot for initial focusing then switch to AI servo give better result... I configure the back AF button as AI servo AF and "*" button as single-shot AF, so I can switch between them as needed.
Have a nice day.
My 7D2 serial number start with 028 brought new. I don't think I had the problem... if lighting is good and subject is not too small, the AF is usually quite accurate...
Anyway, I found that for non-moving or very slow moving subject especially if the subject is small (same size as focus point or smaller), the initial focusing using AI servo is sometime not very accurate... I found using single-shot for initial focusing then switch to AI servo give better result... I configure the back AF button as AI servo AF and "*" button as single-shot AF, so I can switch between them as needed.
Have a nice day.
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Go Wild said:neuroanatomist said:
Yes, i got the 2 situations, sometimes the sharp point appears in a zone out of the AF point selected, and other situations the image just get soft.
Let me put here 2 examples:
In both examples i got AF in back button and used the center point expanded. Both situations also AI SERVO was used
in example 1:
this photos were taken with 1/3200 F7.1 - Paralel movement to the camera, and slow movement of the animal. Camera placed in sturdy tripod and without movement. Easy shot! The results are this:
same photo with crop:
same photo with bigger crop:
Now lets see an example of the 5D markIII. Same settings, same situation, altough in this the bear was more quiet, but in the other it was moving really slow.
with crop:
with bigger crop:
Not sure if this was mentioned, but at f8, you are past DLA. DLA is f/6.6 on the 7D MK II. Crop sensors can't be stopped down the same as a FF or you will see diffraction kick in. Your case may be diffraction or missed focus or maybe both.
DLA: http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-7D-Mark-II.aspx
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AdamBotond said:
You really should not compare the two scenarios. The 7D MK II shot only has the head sticking out of the water but the 6D test shot is a stationary turtle on a log. Shoot like subject and then compare.
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DLA is not a sharp cut-off value. There is a slow loss of resolution as the f-number increases, and there is hardly any discernible deterioration in resolution on going from f/5.6 to f/8. Indeed, many lenses give sharper results at f/8 on the 7D II (or 5DS R) than at f/5.6.
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I only kept my pre-order 7d2 for about 24 hours and returned it so can't add much to the conversation other than:
AF performance was so poor (super slow) with original 100-400 L it was pointless to use it. My older bodies AF'd better and my original 7D was stellar in AF performance in comparison no matter what mode I used it in.
7D2 was my last-straw-disappointment from Canon.
AF performance was so poor (super slow) with original 100-400 L it was pointless to use it. My older bodies AF'd better and my original 7D was stellar in AF performance in comparison no matter what mode I used it in.
7D2 was my last-straw-disappointment from Canon.
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Travelintrevor said:
Nope. I consider both scenarios stationary. Actually, when I photographed the turtle on a log with the 6D the wind was slightly blowing, so the log was slowely spinning in one way. Did not make any difference due to fast shutter speed. However, the turtles head on top of the water shot by 7D II was practically motionless and as you could have read I shot a sequence of 8 shots, back button af on, iTR on, high speed, af on the head... all of them was oof like that or even worse.
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