Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?

[Faaier]

I have a Canon... but popularity doesn't say a lot about the quality. Certainly not in this range of products. For many people having a 5DIII or 810, the weak point is standing behind the camera. We all have to work around the weak points to get the best shot.

Nikon or Canon are very similar to a religion. You believe it or you don't. Too many equations to compare and to have a well defined result. Every now and then, one will find "the proof that they had been right all along"

We all read the spec which is best for our view and try to reduce the advantage of another spec... If not the AF, it is the handling or the lenses or some off brand firmware ;-) or ... wait and see for the soon to be announced next best thing... to see if you become a better photographer? :

Both cameras are super and certainly not outdated. Even my goood old 50D will not be outdated for some... but to be fair... an upgrade is coming! Talking about two generations...

 

[wickidwombat]

D800 -> D810

The 5dm3 is looking really old.

Not as old as that whine.

must be a damn good vintage...

but i bet its corked :-[

 

[quod]

It has better dynamic range (if you don't know how to maximise DR in Canon files), but that does not equate to "better image quality", and the 5D Mk III lacks for nothing in terms of overall IQ compared to the Nikon at the image level.

Agreed.
How many of these "Is Nikon better?" threads does this forum have to endure? I mean really...is Nikon paying people for this?

How much is Canon paying you to suffer and defend the brand? If the threads bug you, don't read them. Better yet, go out and take some shots. As far as I can tell, the D810 is a Nikon-version of the 5D3, but with a substantially better sensor. It's natural that people want more oomph out of their cameras and its natural for them to look at competing brands for validation of their choices. Seriously, go out and take shots.

 

[Orangutan]

How many of these "Is Nikon better?" threads does this forum have to endure? I mean really...is Nikon paying people for this?

As many as it takes for certain people to convince us that their specific needs/desires represent a large, commercially important segment of the market, and that Canon should cater to their needs.

So far, jrista has made the only reasonable arguments in favor of the D8xx cameras, and even he admits that only some of his photography would clearly benefit from it (high DR landscape).

 

[SwampYankee]

Put another way, it took Nikon two generations to come up with a camera that approaches the 5DIII in overall utility...and I bet the 5DIII outsells the D810 just as it did the D800/E.

Same thing one step up – it took Nikon until the D4s to approach the 1D X.

Errrrrrr I don't think we are talking sales figures here but camera technology. Precisely where does the D810 not exceed a Canon 5DIII? Nikon D810 exceeds the 5DIII in any reasonable comparison. In quality of the sensor it absolutely trounces the Canon. lets not distract the conversation with lens line or spots on the D600 sensor and stick to the comparison between the 5DIII and the D810 bodies. The 5DIII "approaches" the D810 in some respects...but exceeds it in none. BTW I own and love the 5DIII but it is outclassed by the newer D810. Yes, Canon is 2 generations behind, at least on sensors and it doesn't look like that is going to change anytime soon

 

[sega62]

For what it's worth, I bought a Powershot S95 a number of years ago.

So, that's why I bought the Powershot S95. It was solely intended to keep me occupied until the d800 came out.... and believe me, I waited years for that camera to come out.

I fell in love with that Powershot. It put my father's DSLR to shame (which was admittedly dated). I was able to take fantastic looking photos with that camera alone. I even bought studio lighting for it which came in handy. It was just some cheap hotlight and tripods.



Months and months passed. Do I recall that there was a light leak issue at some point too, or was that something else I'm remembering? It doesn't matter ultimately.

So, then one day a law school friend of mine told me he'd bought the Canon 5D3. I felt stupid not looking at Canon given how much I loved the S95. I did my research on the 5D3, and after a few weeks, maybe a month, I ordered it.

I've been very happy since and don't regret my purchase.

So to answer your question, do I feel it's dated compared to the d810? Not in the slightest. Do I have a problem with you preferring a d810 (assuming you do?)? Nope. Have fun. I'll be enjoying my camera in the meantime though.

(Also, I'm not trying to slam the d800 or d810 - I'm just saying they're very different cameras from the 5D3, and each appeal to different people). My concerns might not be of any concerns to most or all Nikon users... which is great, I hope they enjoy their camera as much as I enjoy mine.

Unfortunately, I'm realizing right now that you seem to be extremely opinionated about this so I may be wasting my breath.

ie: http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=20761.msg392670#msg392670

I know how you feel, i also had a powershot the S60
It was a great camera, and pics looks amazing, less pixels on a sensor is always good

Now i own the 6d but would love to get a camera with more focus points, to shoot birds at occasions .

I love Nikon, Fuji, pentax, but Canon has everything in one camera.

 

[RLPhoto]

Eh, not really. Nikons lens selection has been behind canon since the original d30 in its variety, especially in the primes. There are some one off lenses in Nikons land but canon has so many more options.

Camera bodies are of little importance compared to lenses. Eventually they all go out of date and one company leapfrogs another in tech.

 

[Loswr]

810 doesn't just approach the 5d3, in tech, it pulls out and passes it and flips the bird at it on the way by.

AF system...5DIII > D810.

Everything I have read from people who have tested says the opposite - what do you build this claim on?

I base it on a thorough understanding of the specifications of both AF systems. Oh, and actually trying out both cameras one right after the other. Have you done that? Or are you building your counter claim based solely on reading stuff and watching YouTube videos on the Internet?

Perhaps you believe everything on the Internet is authoritative? Take Tony Northrup's YouTube "review"…in his "sports" test, which consisted of a subject walking sedately toward him, he reported a keeper percentage in the low 60s from the 5DIII. What a joke, but I suspect you believed every word.

 

[Sunnystate]

Blah, Blah, Blah... so empty just wonder how many times people are changing the personality and start posting again same bs as somebody else... Most interesting thing is that there is nothing really left in those fanboy statements just figure speeches, demagogy and sleek sarcasm! Start posting photographs, videos and charts to show that amazing performance of Canon LOL. Good luck silly people, looks like you have to do the same pathetic defensive propaganda dance for another year or two because its obvious that nothing will change anytime soon.

 

[Plainsman]

It has better dynamic range (if you don't know how to maximise DR in Canon files), but that does not equate to "better image quality", and the 5D Mk III lacks for nothing in terms of overall IQ compared to the Nikon at the image level.

Agreed.

How many of these "Is Nikon better?" threads does this forum have to endure? I mean really...is Nikon paying people for this?

You are a sad person - is Canon paying you?

 

[Dylan777]

D800 -> D810

The 5dm3 is looking really old.

Have you ever been to professional sports events? :

 

[rcarca]

D800 -> D810

The 5dm3 is looking really old.

Not as old as that whine.

+1

 

[3kramd5]

D800 -> D810

The 5dm3 is looking really old.

Although they're in the same general price range, one could argue that the D800/E and 5D3 weren't really competitors. 5D3 is a jack-of-all-trades camera. D800/E are more specialized. D810 and 5D3 on the other hand are competitors, in so far as the D810 is more of a jack-of-all-trades.

But let's assume that, because of the price point, the D800/E and 5D3 were competitors. They both came out in March of 2012; so they're the same generation. Chronologically, canon is one generation behind. However, in that market, I don't believe their goal is to churn out new bodies with high frequency (as opposed to the entry level market where they do). Rather, their goal in the pro/prosumer market is to release bodies which remain viable as long as they're designed to.

 

[mackguyver]

D800 -> D810

The 5dm3 is looking really old.

Dear Troll,

You are correct and your post is a revelation. Apparently the small inferior sensor in my 5DIII is holding me back, not just with photos, but with the ladies as well. I will have to put all of my Canon gear on eBay this afternoon and replace it with the bigger, sexier, and younger D810. I can't believe I ever thought that little sensor in the 5DIII would ever take decent photos.

Obviously the lenses I'm using, my technique and vision are all meaningless if I'm carrying around anything Canon. How could I possibly capture any good photos with an AA filter and without the vastly superior DR and massive megapixels of the Nikon?

From now on, I promise only to use the Nikon D810 with Nikon's best lenses set to their optimum aperture on a solid tripod with cable release.

Crap, what do I do about the new Sony??? I need to shoot black cats in unlit coal mines and the Nikon is inferior to the Sony. I guess the Nikon is junk and I need to get the Sony. I'm so confused.

Please advise on which I should choose - the Nikon D810 or Sony A7S.

Sincerely,
The Gnome

 

[Loswr]

Put another way, it took Nikon two generations to come up with a camera that approaches the 5DIII in overall utility...and I bet the 5DIII outsells the D810 just as it did the D800/E.

Same thing one step up – it took Nikon until the D4s to approach the 1D X.

Errrrrrr I don't think we are talking sales figures here but camera technology. Precisely where does the D810 not exceed a Canon 5DIII? Nikon D810 exceeds the 5DIII in any reasonable comparison. In quality of the sensor it absolutely trounces the Canon. lets not distract the conversation with lens line or spots on the D600 sensor and stick to the comparison between the 5DIII and the D810 bodies. The 5DIII "approaches" the D810 in some respects...but exceeds it in none. BTW I own and love the 5DIII but it is outclassed by the newer D810. Yes, Canon is 2 generations behind, at least on sensors and it doesn't look like that is going to change anytime soon

I see you also believe that the only important part of the camera is the sensor.

Ooooh, look at that amazing bird-in-flight shot from the D810...incredible resolution, really wide dynamic range. Sure, it's a bit blurry because the AF couldn't track the subject well enough...and just a little off optimal wing position where maybe a 20% faster frame rate would have helped...but just look at the DR and all those MP. : Camera ≠ sensor.

As stated earlier, the 5DIII has a faster frame rate and a better AF system, to name two camera technologies where it is superior to the D810. The D810 has better low ISO DR, great if you need it. It has more MP, although with many lenses that doesn't translate to better resolution (and when it does, the difference is much less than the MP differential would suggest). You may view lenses as a 'distraction', but unless you drill a pinhole in your body cap, lenses are necessary.

 

[unfocused]

Who gives a rat's hindquarters?

 

[gbchriste]

The capabilities of any modern, advanced DSLR, whether Canon or Nikon, usually far outstrip the capabilities of the person using it.

 

[msm]

Does the D810 represent a new generation camera? ???

 

[dtaylor]

How much is Canon paying you to suffer and defend the brand?

Nothing. But I'll take a 1DX and that new 400 DO ;D

If the threads bug you, don't read them.

At first they were mildly interesting. But there are...what...a half dozen threads that either started on this topic or were hijacked to this topic? My post was sarcastic, but the more I think about it...

As far as I can tell, the D810 is a Nikon-version of the 5D3, but with a substantially better sensor.

So much better you might even be able to tell the difference while pixel peeping :

 

[dtaylor]

You are a sad person - is Canon paying you?

Nope. That's why I'm sad. I can only get Pentax to pay me.

Say...have you seen their new SLR with all the LED lights? ;D