Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?

[AcutancePhotography]

Re: FF Canons are falling behind.

I've only got to pick a camera up to give it the retro look

That made me laugh. I might steal that line. ;D

 

[tron]

D800 -> D810

The 5dm3 is looking really old.

One more reason to respect my 5DMkIII cameras ;D

 

[tron]

810 doesn't just approach the 5d3, in tech, it pulls out and passes it and flips the bird at it on the way by.

Yes, we all know you think "camera" = "sensor". Frame rate...5DIII > D810. AF system...5DIII > D810.

Hmmm, plus:

Canon Lenses > Nikon Lenses, ML at Canon > ML at Nikon .... ohhhhh wait

 

[tron]

Yes Sir, the D810 is has an better image quality and dynamic range than the 5DIII.

Nope.

It has better dynamic range (if you don't know how to maximise DR in Canon files), but that does not equate to "better image quality", and the 5D Mk III lacks for nothing in terms of overall IQ compared to the Nikon at the image level.

+1, plus, the increased DR exists only in Low ISO...

 

[Mitch.Conner]

810 doesn't just approach the 5d3, in tech, it pulls out and passes it and flips the bird at it on the way by.

Yes, we all know you think "camera" = "sensor". Frame rate...5DIII > D810. AF system...5DIII > D810.

Hmmm, plus:

Canon Lenses > Nikon Lenses, ML at Canon > ML at Nikon .... ohhhhh wait

Why do you say that out of curiosity? Don't get me wrong, I'm somebody who almost went the Nikon route but ultimately went with Cannon, however I keep running across assessments that Nikon and Cannon both have excellent and nearly equivalent quality (overall) lens offerings.

There are a few things that Cannon offers that Nikon doesn't (ie: I get the impression that Cannon is better when it comes to macro offerings) and visa versa (Nikon has traditionally had more to offer with Wide Angle lenses... particularly UWA zooms).

 

[Khalai]

810 doesn't just approach the 5d3, in tech, it pulls out and passes it and flips the bird at it on the way by.

Yes, we all know you think "camera" = "sensor". Frame rate...5DIII > D810. AF system...5DIII > D810.

Hmmm, plus:

Canon Lenses > Nikon Lenses, ML at Canon > ML at Nikon .... ohhhhh wait

Why do you say that out of curiosity? Don't get me wrong, I'm somebody who almost went the Nikon route but ultimately went with Cannon, however I keep running across assessments that Nikon and Cannon both have excellent and nearly equivalent quality (overall) lens offerings.

There are a few things that Cannon offers that Nikon doesn't (ie: I get the impression that Cannon is better when it comes to macro offerings) and visa versa (Nikon has traditionally had more to offer with Wide Angle lenses... particularly UWA zooms).

+1, I really envy that 28/1.8G, 50/1.8G and 85/1.8G set of primes, they have there. I'd love to see some update in Canon 28/1.8, 50/1.4 and 85/1.8 counterparts. Of course, Nikkor 14-24 is a living legend (almost perfect, just prone to flare and difficult to mount filters), then there are 105 DC and 135 DC lenses, while old, still stellar. But Nikon users also envy some Canon glass, especially TS-E 17 and TS-E 24 primes, 24-70/2.8 II and 70-200/2.8 II are also superior (especially the former), then there is a gem 85/1.2L II (AF speed is a bugger, but optically masterpiece lens).

But all-in-all, while there are some weak spots on both sides, no lineup can be considered incomplete or incompetent. And for ordinary user, also irrelevant (both have good consumer lenses, now with EF-S 10-18 and EF-S 24, there may be an advantage for Canon, albeit marginal).

 

[mkabi]

810 doesn't just approach the 5d3, in tech, it pulls out and passes it and flips the bird at it on the way by.

Yes, we all know you think "camera" = "sensor". Frame rate...5DIII > D810. AF system...5DIII > D810.

Hmmm, plus:

Canon Lenses > Nikon Lenses, ML at Canon > ML at Nikon .... ohhhhh wait

Why do you say that out of curiosity? Don't get me wrong, I'm somebody who almost went the Nikon route but ultimately went with Cannon, however I keep running across assessments that Nikon and Cannon both have excellent and nearly equivalent quality (overall) lens offerings.

There are a few things that Cannon offers that Nikon doesn't (ie: I get the impression that Cannon is better when it comes to macro offerings) and visa versa (Nikon has traditionally had more to offer with Wide Angle lenses... particularly UWA zooms).

I think this would explain it best:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jva08HY6uLE

Remember, not many people like Tony Northrup here, I can care less for him and his videos... but this is really good!! I know it is annoying, but be patient, wait till after 7:45 seconds.

He uses DXOmark too.

 

[tron]

810 doesn't just approach the 5d3, in tech, it pulls out and passes it and flips the bird at it on the way by.

Yes, we all know you think "camera" = "sensor". Frame rate...5DIII > D810. AF system...5DIII > D810.

Hmmm, plus:

Canon Lenses > Nikon Lenses, ML at Canon > ML at Nikon .... ohhhhh wait

Why do you say that out of curiosity? Don't get me wrong, I'm somebody who almost went the Nikon route but ultimately went with Cannon, however I keep running across assessments that Nikon and Cannon both have excellent and nearly equivalent quality (overall) lens offerings.

There are a few things that Cannon offers that Nikon doesn't (ie: I get the impression that Cannon is better when it comes to macro offerings) and visa versa (Nikon has traditionally had more to offer with Wide Angle lenses... particularly UWA zooms).

Maybe for reasons like this:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=687&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=621&CameraComp=614&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0



http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=687&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=3&API=0&LensComp=621&CameraComp=614&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=4&APIComp=0



http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=787&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=618&CameraComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0


http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=787&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=3&API=0&LensComp=618&CameraComp=614&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=3&APIComp=0

 

[Sella174]

Who's Nikon?

 

[Aglet]

810 doesn't just approach the 5d3, in tech, it pulls out and passes it and flips the bird at it on the way by.

Yes, we all know you think "camera" = "sensor". Frame rate...5DIII > D810. AF system...5DIII > D810.

Hmmm, plus:

Canon Lenses > Nikon Lenses, ML at Canon > ML at Nikon .... ohhhhh wait

Why do you say that out of curiosity? Don't get me wrong, I'm somebody who almost went the Nikon route but ultimately went with Cannon, however I keep running across assessments that Nikon and Cannon both have excellent and nearly equivalent quality (overall) lens offerings.

There are a few things that Cannon offers that Nikon doesn't (ie: I get the impression that Cannon is better when it comes to macro offerings) and visa versa (Nikon has traditionally had more to offer with Wide Angle lenses... particularly UWA zooms).

Maybe for reasons like this:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=687&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=621&CameraComp=614&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0



http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=687&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=3&API=0&LensComp=621&CameraComp=614&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=4&APIComp=0



http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=787&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=618&CameraComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0


http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=787&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=3&API=0&LensComp=618&CameraComp=614&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=3&APIComp=0

Bryan's good at buying 4 of 5 iterations of a Canon lens and keeping the best one. I doubt he does that with his Nikon kit.
I had said Canon lens and mine had far more CA in the FF corners than this demo
I have the 70-200/4vr Nikon lens and it renders vast amounts of detail to a d800e without any significant CA.
The point is, almost all the lenses these days are damn good and there can be more variation within items of the same model than between mfrs at times.
I don't have any Nik lenses I can complain about, I chose wisely.

 

[rpt]

Who's Nikon?

Nick the Con!

 

[connellimages]

Ican't speak to D800 because I have never used one, but my take on the great 5dM3 is this . . . when you make something that takes that IQ and feels so good in your hand . . . why would you want to change it.

 

[unfocused]

Ican't speak to D800 because I have never used one, but my take on the great 5dM3 is this . . . when you make something that takes that IQ and feels so good in your hand . . . why would you want to change it.

+1. I won't.

 

[tron]

Ican't speak to D800 because I have never used one, but my take on the great 5dM3 is this . . . when you make something that takes that IQ and feels so good in your hand . . . why would you want to change it.

+1. I won't.

I agree. I had a 5DMk3 which was feeling lonely so I got a second 5DMk3 to keep it company ;D

 

[Roo]

Ican't speak to D800 because I have never used one, but my take on the great 5dM3 is this . . . when you make something that takes that IQ and feels so good in your hand . . . why would you want to change it.

+1. I won't.

I agree. I had a 5DMk3 which was feeling lonely so I got a second 5DMk3 to keep it company ;D

If it's a breeding pair, can I have one of the offspring? ;D

 

[RLPhoto]

Ican't speak to D800 because I have never used one, but my take on the great 5dM3 is this . . . when you make something that takes that IQ and feels so good in your hand . . . why would you want to change it.

+1. I won't.

I agree. I had a 5DMk3 which was feeling lonely so I got a second 5DMk3 to keep it company ;D

If it's a breeding pair, can I have one of the offspring? ;D

Word on the street says it's offspring are quite rebellious. XD

 

[jeffa4444]

Nikon vs Canon, Canon vs Nikon its just man being tribal both systems produce great photographs in the right hands they are tools that in themselves enable creativity but dont make it.

 

[Khalai]

Ican't speak to D800 because I have never used one, but my take on the great 5dM3 is this . . . when you make something that takes that IQ and feels so good in your hand . . . why would you want to change it.

+1. I won't.

I agree. I had a 5DMk3 which was feeling lonely so I got a second 5DMk3 to keep it company ;D

If it's a breeding pair, can I have one of the offspring? ;D

Word on the street says it's offspring are quite rebellious. XD

I see what you did there

 

[Keith_Reeder]

Bryan's good at buying 4 of 5 iterations of a Canon lens and keeping the best one. I doubt he does that with his Nikon kit.

What an asinine bloody statement.

Nikon's supposed superiority at everything (let's ignore oil splatter, one-side-broken AF, security-risk wi-fi...), isn't translating to a financially healthy company:

http://nikonrumors.com/2014/10/06/nikon-corporations-stock-now-traded-on-nasdaq-ninoy-downgraded-by-goldman-sachs-to-sell.aspx/

Even Thom Hogan thinks they're circling the drain.

 

[NWPhil]

Who's Nikon?

Nik is Can's distante relative - they share same last name - ON