Is it too early for the first "The Canon 1DX sucks" posting?

[paul13walnut5]

No, I won't bother with a retort. Those with can't afford should be left with some way to rationalize it, so they can feel better about themselves.

Well, read it again, I'm guessing your PhD isn't in English or logic.

If you bought a camera on pre-launch, or on day 1 of shop stock you are usually paying at least 20% more to be the biggest jock in your camera club. To then find out that the mirror falls out (5D) the Af doesn't work (1D3) that the pentaprism is squint (1D3) that the LCD display ruins astro shots (5D3) or that your grip goes all albino and your hand goes all toxic (T4i)

Or wait a wee while and get a camera that works after the beta testers have found the faults, usually for a bit less as well.

I don't have a PhD. I'm glad you are beta testing the 1DX for me. Thank you.

 

[Loswr]

Well, read it again, I'm guessing your PhD isn't in English or logic.

No, it's in sarcasm. Lost on you, apparently. What a loss.

Do you use automatic metering for your astrophotography with your 5DIII?

But irregardless (there goes that damn sarcasm again, yes, I know that's not a word), I'm so very glad I can perform such an important service as beta testing a $7K camera for you, in the time I can spare from beta testing million-dollar equipment for scientific instrument vendors. You're welcome.

 

[paul13walnut5]

I feel the loss.

Those with can't afford should be left with some way to rationalize it, so they can feel better about themselves.

And I don't see the sarcasm. Usually there is wit in sarcasm.

I am quite thick so help me. I saw the alluding to the fact that they could buy it because they have money. I saw the personal jibe that because I want to wait until a camera has been tested in the field by independent reviewers before I buy it that I must feel the need to rationalize the irrationality of buying an untested camera so I can 'feel better about myself'. (I feel fine about myself, thanks)

I have the money. Maybe (s)he has more. Maybe not. Maybe my car is faster. Maybe not. Maybe my peni5 is shorter. Maybe not.

I don't care a jot.

It's a really really rough benchmark, but I wait until dpreview do a full test. Then I check owners forums for issues. Then I buy.

The 1DX isn't on my list. It's a bit specialist, a bit expensive for what I want to do with it, so I actually do have to rationalise it.

However my few shoots with a hired EOS C300 make me pretty convinced thats the next EOS I'll buy. But then I do video.

And it's cheaper than the Sony XDCAMHD I was going to buy (to replace the £30k DigiBeta I've been using)

 

[Loswr]

That said I'm glad rich idiots beta test new cameras by buying them 4 months before me.

Maybe I misinterpreted, but did you not, in effect, label anyone who preordered a 1D X as a 'rich idiot'? Or is that non-witty sarcasm that I'm simply unable to appreciate?

Regardless, it's just not worth arguing over any further, to me, at least.

 

[paul13walnut5]

The full quote was:

So a firmware fix is an admission a company is slipping?

Hmmmm.. don't know if I agree.

That said I'm glad rich idiots beta test new cameras by buying them 4 months before me.

Scroll back for context. (No really, please do.)

I was being facetious. I'm sorry that was missed. Ironic, isn't it?

But if -as the offence you've taken suggests -the shoe fits, then please, by all means wear it with pride.

Thank you also for the great work you do in testing the million dollar scientific instruments for vendors. That's great that is. Cheers. Hurrah!!!!

 

[briansquibb]

Hmmmm.. don't know if I agree.

That said I'm glad rich idiots beta test new cameras by buying them 4 months before me.

Ummm...

No, I won't bother with a retort. Those with can't afford should be left with some way to rationalize it, so they can feel better about themselves.

See, that's pretty offensive too, right. FWIW, I make a decent living but I, like many who can afford a 1D X, aren't 'rich' by any means. Despite having a PhD, I'll stop short of stating that they don't give PhDs or MDs to idiots, though...I know quite a few who fit that description. :

I know that was directed at me!!

J/k ;D

I'm not rich and I'm getting a 1D X. Guess I'm an idiot with a decent living and a 1D X. Feels good to laugh.

Not so sure it wasn't aimed at me either

Still I suppose if you randomly fire buckshot you are likely to hit several people.

 

[Marsu42]

That said I'm glad rich idiots beta test new cameras by buying them 4 months before me.

I guess what you tried to say is that professionals aren't well advised to use and depend on the latest gear if there was the possibility of product delays or bugs. So that leaves amateurs to beta test new stuff as early adopters. Both of this might be very well the case. But you don't need to be an "idiot" to have fun trying the latest bleeding edge gear.

Concerning "rich": I find it annoying if well-off people advise others to simply get the best gear or to get a better job if they need to think about spending say $1000 more or less. That being said, you don't need to be "rich" to buy a 1dx + some lenses in comparison to what billions of people spend for cars, houses, travel and so on - so labeling them as such is not fair.

 

[briansquibb]

The full quote was:

So a firmware fix is an admission a company is slipping?

Hmmmm.. don't know if I agree.

That said I'm glad rich idiots beta test new cameras by buying them 4 months before me.

Scroll back for context. (No really, please do.)

I was being facetious. I'm sorry that was missed. Ironic, isn't it?

But if -as the offence you've taken suggests -the shoe fits, then please, by all means wear it with pride.

Thank you also for the great work you do in testing the million dollar scientific instruments for vendors. That's great that is. Cheers. Hurrah!!!!

Sounds like a troll spreading his wings after coming out of the chrysalis of obscurity

 

[paul13walnut5]

What a stooshie!

I actually started off by defending firmware updates... Against what was probably a tongue in cheek post, to be fair,
Nothing said since has made me reconsider my sincerely held view that if you pre-order or buy a camera on day one that you probably have a) an excess of idle cash and b) are pretty dumb to buy anything before the reviews are out.

Thats not trolling, thats my sincerely held view. Perhaps rich idiots was an inflammatory way to put it. To those offended I apologise.

Canons track record, particularly with the expensive bodies, hasn't been stellar. I listed the examples earlier.
Even were I in the market for a 1Dseries i would still wait a few months. Niggles get ironed out. Firmware bugs fixed. Sometimes recalls get issued.

My next EOS is going to be the c300. I've hired one a few times, spoke to other users, looked at trusted reviews (iris magazine is pretty thorough, in depth test bench stuff and real world scenarios)

Money isn't the issue (like a lot of 1dx buyers the camera will generate income for me)
But if it has to go back to canon, or has weird artefacts that make it unsuitable for certain jobs, then it's going to be losing me money. I'm by no means poor, but I can't afford that! Not least in terms of reputation.
So I wait a bit and let others early adopt so I can buy a sorted camera.

If I made a living in stills (i dont) then i would be biding my time before buying a 1dx.
If I was a hobbyist who wanted the latest or most expensive camera for bragging rights on here, or in my camera club, then hell yeah, i would just go ahead and buy it, regardless of canons recent qc issues.

@briansquibb
Call me a troll again and I'll come round to yours and hide under your bridge!

 

[briansquibb]

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion

 

[Loswr]

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion

I believe that sounds like an apt definition of one who, in the very same post in which he apologizes for calling a group of people idiots, proceeds to refer to the same group as dumb braggarts.

 

[paul13walnut5]

My original point about the firmware was on topic, if people then criticise I have a right to defend myself. That really isn't trolling.

Health to use your 1dx mate, i hope it's the exception to the indisputable recall and qc issues that are well documented as having affected a fair proportion of canons bodies.

The thread begins "Is it too early for the first "The Canon 1DX sucks" posting?", maybe the tongue in cheek poser invites a certain kind of response. Sorry I touched a nerve.

None of that makes me a troll.

 

[paul13walnut5]

I apologised for the particular form of words, and the offence caused, not for the sentiment which I went onto express in toned down terms.

It could be the 1dx, it could be a new flashgun, it could be a new varient of faster flash cards, my approach is the same... Don't early adopt. I think those who do are basically unpaid beta testers, and I think they get ripped off, and it wouldn't be me...

I'm really glad that some folk have to be first, because it sorts the products out for folk who are prepared to wait a little while (and pay a bit less into the bargain)

Firmware v1.0.0 is usually bad news. Even my 7d wasn't entirely reliable with udma cards until v1.2.3, so it's a lesson learned the hard way

 

[Marsu42]

It could be the 1dx, it could be a new flashgun, it could be a new varient of faster flash cards, my approach is the same... Don't early adopt.

No, no, no - please *do* early adopt all of you, will you? This ensures that Canon gets a premium profit and that I can get a debugged product after the first price drop ... to give something back, I'll continue early adopting magic lantern releases which matches my budget (=free).

 

[paul13walnut5]

+1

Succinctly put.

Don't suppose you are installing ML via a mac?

 

[Loswr]

My original point about the firmware was on topic, if people then criticise I have a right to defend myself. That really isn't trolling.

The first part of the offensive post was about the firmware, was on topic, and no one criticized you for that. It's the second part, "That said I'm glad rich idiots beta test new cameras by buying them 4 months before me," that garnered the criticism - and rightfully so, as it was a rude, unnecessary remark (as were your subsequent repetitions on the same theme).

FWIW, if my livelihood depended on my photo gear, I wouldn't be an early adopter. Likewise, the 'beta testing' of scientific instruments is done on duplicate instruments outside of the production environment. It seems you're incapable of grasping the concept that maybe some of us are buying a 1D X from a desire for a very responsive FF body robust enough to be treated like the tool it is, and that we're going to actually go out and shoot pictures with it.

I apologised for the particular form of words, and the offence caused, not for the sentiment which I went onto express in toned down terms.

Toned down? Really? Metacognition check. The original:

rich idiots

...and the 'toned down' version:

have a) an excess of idle cash and b) are pretty dumb

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who sees that 'couched in fancier language' does not equate to 'toned down'.

Had you simply stated that being an early adopter carries risks which you, personally, find unacceptable, that's one thing. Calling early 1D X adopters 'idiots who are buying it for bragging rights' crosses the line, no matter the particular form of words.

 

[briansquibb]

My original point about the firmware was on topic, if people then criticise I have a right to defend myself. That really isn't trolling.

The first part of the offensive post was about the firmware, was on topic, and no one criticized you for that. It's the second part, "That said I'm glad rich idiots beta test new cameras by buying them 4 months before me," that garnered the criticism - and rightfully so, as it was a rude, unnecessary remark (as were your subsequent repetitions on the same theme).

FWIW, if my livelihood depended on my photo gear, I wouldn't be an early adopter. Likewise, the 'beta testing' of scientific instruments is done on duplicate instruments outside of the production environment. It seems you're incapable of grasping the concept that maybe some of us are buying a 1D X from a desire for a very responsive FF body robust enough to be treated like the tool it is, and that we're going to actually go out and shoot pictures with it.

I apologised for the particular form of words, and the offence caused, not for the sentiment which I went onto express in toned down terms.

Toned down? Really? Metacognition check. The original:

rich idiots

...and the 'toned down' version:

have a) an excess of idle cash and b) are pretty dumb

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who sees that 'couched in fancier language' does not equate to 'toned down'.

Had you simply stated that being an early adopter carries risks which you, personally, find unacceptable, that's one thing. Calling early 1D X adopters 'idiots who are buying it for bragging rights' crosses the line, no matter the particular form of words.

... and the threatening post

@briansquibb
Call me a troll again and I'll come round to yours and hide under your bridge!

was not pleasant either ...

 

[Marsu42]

Don't suppose you are installing ML via a mac?

Um, no - but what has a the computer type to do with installing ml? It's all done via the card: put the ml autoexec.bin + appropriate firmware on it (it only sets the boot flag in Canon's nvram), install this firmware once, done. From now on ml will be read ml from autoexec.bin unless you press half-shutter when turning the camera on to prevent it.

 

[infilm]

my shots are underexposed with the lens cap on

LMFAO!!

 

[RLPhoto]

My original point about the firmware was on topic, if people then criticise I have a right to defend myself. That really isn't trolling.

The first part of the offensive post was about the firmware, was on topic, and no one criticized you for that. It's the second part, "That said I'm glad rich idiots beta test new cameras by buying them 4 months before me," that garnered the criticism - and rightfully so, as it was a rude, unnecessary remark (as were your subsequent repetitions on the same theme).

FWIW, if my livelihood depended on my photo gear, I wouldn't be an early adopter. Likewise, the 'beta testing' of scientific instruments is done on duplicate instruments outside of the production environment. It seems you're incapable of grasping the concept that maybe some of us are buying a 1D X from a desire for a very responsive FF body robust enough to be treated like the tool it is, and that we're going to actually go out and shoot pictures with it.

I apologised for the particular form of words, and the offence caused, not for the sentiment which I went onto express in toned down terms.

Toned down? Really? Metacognition check. The original:

rich idiots

...and the 'toned down' version:

have a) an excess of idle cash and b) are pretty dumb

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who sees that 'couched in fancier language' does not equate to 'toned down'.

Had you simply stated that being an early adopter carries risks which you, personally, find unacceptable, that's one thing. Calling early 1D X adopters 'idiots who are buying it for bragging rights' crosses the line, no matter the particular form of words.