IS Versions of the 50mm, 85mm & 135mm Coming? [CR1]

[ahsanford]

Re: IS Versions of the 50mm, 85mm & 135mm Coming? [CR1]


I find it interesting that fans of great lenses like the 135 F/2L salivate over the chance to see something new added to it (perhaps IS, perhaps F/1.8, etc.), but a lot of folks are ho hum about the 50 F/1.4 just getting modernized and roundly improved on many fronts.

I see things the opposite way. What if this 50 update is the great sharpness and color tool for the 50mm crowd that the 135 F/2L has been for so long? I see so much opportunity for the 50 prime length to improve, while the 135 F/2L, from all I've heard on this forum (it's adored like the 70-200 F/2.8 IS II), just logically isn't going to get that much better with a next generation offering -- it's already excellent, right?

- A

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

Re: IS Versions of the 50mm, 85mm & 135mm Coming? [CR1]

It's shameful lack of a Canon 50mm with AF fast and accurate, with good sharpness when wide open. If you have the image quality and robust construction of the new Image Stabilizer 24/28/35, will be a success. : Unless it costs 4 times more than current models. :-X

 

[ahsanford]

Re: IS Versions of the 50mm, 85mm & 135mm Coming? [CR1]

It's shameful lack of a Canon 50mm with AF fast and accurate, with good sharpness when wide open. If you have the image quality and robust construction of the new Image Stabilizer 24/28/35, will be a success. : Unless it costs 4 times more than current models. :-X

It will be pricey for a while and then come down. Consider (a) the price performance of the three refreshes that came before, and (b) consider how densely packed with options the 50mm length is.

Based on those trends, I'd say they'd open with $799 which would become $500-$600 in a year's time. I still think they will open as high as the prior refreshes because they know there are guys like me who really want that 8 to 9 out of 10 at everything standard prime with IS. Again, many pros still use that 50 F/1.4 over the F/1.2L and would gladly pay good money for something that is better. Canon knows this and (for a short while) will command a high price.

- A

 

[9VIII]

Re: IS Versions of the 50mm, 85mm & 135mm Coming? [CR1]

If there is a 135mm f/1.8 IS...

Shut up and take my money canon.

I was just looking at the Olympus 150F2, it's pretty much the same thing (and not cheap).

How much would you pay for a 135f1.8? I mean, if something like that did come out it very well could end up costing $3,000.

 

[ahsanford]

Re: IS Versions of the 50mm, 85mm & 135mm Coming? [CR1]

If there is a 135mm f/1.8 IS...

Shut up and take my money canon.

I was just looking at the Olympus 150F2, it's pretty much the same thing (and not cheap).

How much would you pay for a 135f1.8? I mean, if something like that did come out it very well could end up costing $3,000.

You can get away with that if you go all Zeiss Otus on a focal length that has never had an all-around spectacular lens (like 50mm primes!).

But very few folks would pay that much when the current 135mm F/2L is so damn good and so cheap at around $900-$1000. Folks won't pay +$2k for IS and a 1/3 of a stop faster if the resolution is the same as the old 135mm F/2L.

- A

 

[Drizzt321]

Re: IS Versions of the 50mm, 85mm & 135mm Coming? [CR1]

If there is a 135mm f/1.8 IS...

Shut up and take my money canon.

I was just looking at the Olympus 150F2, it's pretty much the same thing (and not cheap).

How much would you pay for a 135f1.8? I mean, if something like that did come out it very well could end up costing $3,000.

You can get away with that if you go all Zeiss Otus on a focal length that has never had an all-around spectacular lens (like 50mm primes!).

But very few folks would pay that much when the current 135mm F/2L is so damn good and so cheap at around $900-$1000. Folks won't pay +$2k for IS and a 1/3 of a stop faster if the resolution is the same as the old 135mm F/2L.

- A

If all they did to the 135L was to add IS, no way would I pay an additional $1K+ for that. I can understand the cost going up some, but I can't believe that the IS system would cost that much additional. $1400 or so at introduction? Maybe. Prices would probably come down to $1200-1300 after a year or two which is decent. If they tweaked the optics a bit and improved them somehow, maybe a touch higher for introduction. Honestly, while f/1.8 would be great, I'm not sure I'd need a 1/3 of a stop. If I was limited to ISO 800, sure, but with pretty good 3200 and often acceptable 6400, 1/3 of a stop is a bit less important IMHO.

 

[CarlMillerPhoto]

Re: IS Versions of the 50mm, 85mm & 135mm Coming? [CR1]

Finally a 50mm with a decent AF system?
The 135mm f/2 L IS would be lovely for weddings!

I agree but if their recent offerings are any guide it would be an f2.8.

People claiming they NEED f/1.4 are usually amateurs with a "bokeh" fetish. There's not a whole lot of DOF difference between f/1.4-f/1.8. When shooting on FF you'll need to stop to f/2-2.8 for most subjects anyway, unless you really just want one eye or one tiny sliver of your subject in focus... the internet is ridiculous. I'd buy a 50/1.8 IS with optical quality matching the other new IS primes in a heart beat, I'd even be fine with it being an f/2 lens, possibly even a f/2.8 (which it won't be).

It depends on what you shoot. Wedding photogs certainly NEED 1.4, and most of them swear by the 50mm 1.2 because it gives subject isolation even with focus close to infinity. Additionally, the quality of a 1.8 lens wide open is usually worse than a 1.4 lens stopped down to 1.8. However, if canon makes 1.8 tack sharp on this new 50mm I'd say they have a winner. Still, personally, I'm just dying for sharp 50mm 1.4. If sigma updates their 50 to the Art series it will most definitely outsell a slower, IS offering from Canon.

 

[RLPhoto]

Re: IS Versions of the 50mm, 85mm & 135mm Coming? [CR1]

If there is a 135mm f/1.8 IS...

Shut up and take my money canon.

I was just looking at the Olympus 150F2, it's pretty much the same thing (and not cheap).

How much would you pay for a 135f1.8? I mean, if something like that did come out it very well could end up costing $3,000.

You can get away with that if you go all Zeiss Otus on a focal length that has never had an all-around spectacular lens (like 50mm primes!).

But very few folks would pay that much when the current 135mm F/2L is so damn good and so cheap at around $900-$1000. Folks won't pay +$2k for IS and a 1/3 of a stop faster if the resolution is the same as the old 135mm F/2L.

- A

If all they did to the 135L was to add IS, no way would I pay an additional $1K+ for that. I can understand the cost going up some, but I can't believe that the IS system would cost that much additional. $1400 or so at introduction? Maybe. Prices would probably come down to $1200-1300 after a year or two which is decent. If they tweaked the optics a bit and improved them somehow, maybe a touch higher for introduction. Honestly, while f/1.8 would be great, I'm not sure I'd need a 1/3 of a stop. If I was limited to ISO 800, sure, but with pretty good 3200 and often acceptable 6400, 1/3 of a stop is a bit less important IMHO.

Sony A99 IS system + Zeiss 135mm F/1.8 combo exists already. I would pay the premium because A lens like that is meant to be expensive, Just like the 85LII. I would rather buy a 135mm F/1.8 IS than a 70-200L II for my uses.

 

[verysimplejason]

Re: IS Versions of the 50mm, 85mm & 135mm Coming? [CR1]

A 50mm f1.8 IS with fast accurate AF is what I'm dreaming for along with an 85mm f1.8 IS. Please Canon...

 

[Proffarm]

Re: IS Versions of the 50mm, 85mm & 135mm Coming? [CR1]

Really? Will a 50 f1.8 IS REALLY be in the 500-600$ range?

 

[Ruined]

Re: IS Versions of the 50mm, 85mm & 135mm Coming? [CR1]

For those dogging these lenses because they are "the same lens with IS added for much more money," frankly that is BS. i.e. look at the difference in performance between the old and new 35mm:

35mm f/2 vs 35mm f/2 IS
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=122&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=824&CameraComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

 

[Zv]

Re: IS Versions of the 50mm, 85mm & 135mm Coming? [CR1]

If there is a 135mm f/1.8 IS...

Shut up and take my money canon.

I was just looking at the Olympus 150F2, it's pretty much the same thing (and not cheap).

How much would you pay for a 135f1.8? I mean, if something like that did come out it very well could end up costing $3,000.

You can get away with that if you go all Zeiss Otus on a focal length that has never had an all-around spectacular lens (like 50mm primes!).

But very few folks would pay that much when the current 135mm F/2L is so damn good and so cheap at around $900-$1000. Folks won't pay +$2k for IS and a 1/3 of a stop faster if the resolution is the same as the old 135mm F/2L.

- A

If all they did to the 135L was to add IS, no way would I pay an additional $1K+ for that. I can understand the cost going up some, but I can't believe that the IS system would cost that much additional. $1400 or so at introduction? Maybe. Prices would probably come down to $1200-1300 after a year or two which is decent. If they tweaked the optics a bit and improved them somehow, maybe a touch higher for introduction. Honestly, while f/1.8 would be great, I'm not sure I'd need a 1/3 of a stop. If I was limited to ISO 800, sure, but with pretty good 3200 and often acceptable 6400, 1/3 of a stop is a bit less important IMHO.

Sony A99 IS system + Zeiss 135mm F/1.8 combo exists already. I would pay the premium because A lens like that is meant to be expensive, Just like the 85LII. I would rather buy a 135mm F/1.8 IS than a 70-200L II for my uses.

+1 RLP that's it exactly!! The current 135L is a freakin bargain! Look at the 35L it's priced at over $1300 maybe more and it has no IS or weather sealing yet it sells like hot cakes. If Canon put IS in a 135 and increased the aperture to 1.8 tell my why you sceptics think it wouldn't be worth $2k easy? Is the 135mm focal length special and must remain under a grand?? I think we have been spoiled by the price of this wonderful lens! The 85LII and just about every other L prime costs way more and people pay it without complaint!

 

[Woody]

Re: IS Versions of the 50mm, 85mm & 135mm Coming? [CR1]

Can't wait for the 50 f/1.8 IS USM lens. ;D

And the 16-50 f/4L IS USM....

 

[Hjalmarg1]

Re: IS Versions of the 50mm, 85mm & 135mm Coming? [CR1]

The 135mm f/2 IS will be a killer.... The current lens is still one of the best in Canon line-up and with AF and IS like the one in the 70-200mm f/2.8 IS II is unbeatable.
The 50mm f/1.8 IS is very welcomed addition to improve AF, IQ and bokeh of current low-cost 50mm f/1.8 lens.
In regards to the 85mm f/2 IS will be 1/3 stop slower than the current lens but with the aid of IS we'll be able to shot in low light at lower shuter speeds. I hope the AF with the addition of IS will be as fast as the current lens.

 

[noncho]

Re: IS Versions of the 50mm, 85mm & 135mm Coming? [CR1]

I would love such lens... for M. 85/100 F2 IS would be small and beautiful.

 

[CarlTN]

Re: IS Versions of the 50mm, 85mm & 135mm Coming? [CR1]

An 85 f/2 IS would be the one of this group I would want, but if it's an "STM", and not even an L...what if it still costs $1k? If it's not an L, would it really be worth $1k? Would it be worth over $1k (seems likely it would be $1199 or something)?? If it's not going to autofocus as fast as a USM lens, and I wouldn't be using it for video very much...would it be worth the high price they're likely to ask, to me? Or do I not matter? Haha, don't answer that!

 

[Ruined]

Re: IS Versions of the 50mm, 85mm & 135mm Coming? [CR1]

An 85 f/2 IS would be the one of this group I would want, but if it's an "STM", and not even an L...what if it still costs $1k? If it's not an L, would it really be worth $1k? Would it be worth over $1k (seems likely it would be $1199 or something)?? If it's not going to autofocus as fast as a USM lens, and I wouldn't be using it for video very much...would it be worth the high price they're likely to ask, to me? Or do I not matter? Haha, don't answer that!

It is unlikely it will be STM, as the 24 IS, 28 IS, and 35 IS were all Ring USM. To switch gears mid-stream would just be weird. Also, pricing will likely be similar to the aforementioned lenses, perhaps with some gouging at first

 

[Solar Eagle]

Re: IS Versions of the 50mm, 85mm & 135mm Coming? [CR1]

One point nobody mentions is that Canon's new lenses (24/28/35/40/24-70) have a TStop that matches their FStop, which is quite the achievement from what I have seen. How many other lenses offer that? I'm guessing the new 50mm IS will follow that trend; just as it will be sharp wide open, light/compact, and one of the best looking lenses around.

People requiring more speed than what these new IS primes offer can get one of the GIANT alternatives at TWICE the weight. I for one can do without the extra 10oz in my hand. As to the expected pricing of the new 50mm, I would expect it to be similar the 35mm. The old cheapo 50mm was replaced by the 40mm as the new budget non-IS prime.

I really don't see that there is anything to complain about with Canon's new primes. I think some people would rather just focus on what they can't have, rather than what they can. Those people will never have what they want, and will always be complaining about one thing or another. ;-)

 

[Loren E]

Re: IS Versions of the 50mm, 85mm & 135mm Coming? [CR1]

135mm F1.8L IS please! I'll take one along with a 16-50m F4L IS and a 7D mk II

 

[ashmadux]

Re: IS Versions of the 50mm, 85mm & 135mm Coming? [CR1]

I would love to see a 85 mm with better optical performance even without IS.

Id like to see this as well, and hopefully it doesn't lose that super duper Af in the process. Its gotta lost that horrible purple fringing...its very bad