It looks like 2021 will be the last year for the EOS M lineup [CR2]

[SteveC]

that means to me, that they discontinue and it goes into EOL.
which is why i'm stating it's stupid and probably not happening.
not with what is being proposed as a replacement anyways.

I agree I can't see the rumor meaning a true kill, but instead meaning just putting EF-M on the back-burner, but it IS ambiguous.

I could also see EF-M being discontinued in markets where it has not really caught on (like the US) and continuing to be offered (with no new development) elsewhere where it is wildly popular, at least until it becomes genuinely obsolete--which it isn't, the M6-II and M50 both stack up well in their market levels and that will probably remain true for a few years, at least.

 

[dwarven]

sorry it's an idiotic idea.

they will;

a) never be as small as the competition, nor as cheap
b) if they manage a) then they will be optically compromised on full frame anyways, making them full frame lenses in name only.

I mean, you simply can't cheat things here. they have to project a much larger image circle than the competition's lenses. it's simply not going to work.

Look at the Nikkor 18-35mm it's $750. Canon will have to create this same lens, but for $199.

How's that going to work out?

I don't know how it will work out, but you're very condescending, and irritating to discuss things with. And apparently very adamant on theorycrafting ways this rumor will not play out, even though the writing is on the wall. Maybe there will be RF-S lenses after all? Maybe they have a plan to make cheap full frame kit lenses. I'm not sure. But, I do know I haven't yet seen a CR2 rumor on this site that has varied wildly from what actually came to be.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

Is this rumor from Canon global or just USA? I had heard the EOS-M is their number one seller in Japan. Americans, on the other hand, tend to like things bigger.

T7 and M50 are big sellers in the USA as well.
They are the go to Costco and Walmart cameras.

 

[Richard CR]

I don't know how it will work out, but you're very condescending, and irritating to discuss things with. And apparently very adamant on theorycrafting ways this rumor will not play out, even though the writing is on the wall. Maybe there will be RF-S lenses after all? Maybe they have a plan to make cheap full frame kit lenses. I'm not sure. But, I do know I haven't yet seen a CR2 rumor on this site that has varied wildly from what actually came to be.

sorry, but it was more or less fact against the article, and not pointed at you.
there's no "theorycrafting" here. The concept won't work and I even gave a very credible example of why.

Since I've also found most of the patent applications lately, i haven't seen any lens outside of the 17-70mm that would even suggest a dual use. And even then, the lenses are large, and thus, expensive. And certainly would be DOA against the competition who would have optimized APS-C lenses for their APS-C cameras. (the 17-70mm is nearly 6 inches long - how's that gong to do against a Nikon Z 16-55mm APS-C kit lens.. hmmm?)

Also every rumor the last year on RF APS-C has been emphatic on stating no RF-S lenses. We know the roadmap the next year, there's no RF-S lenses.

CR has been predicting EOS-M's demise for at least as long as I can remember and so have other sites.

 

[Czardoom]

umm no.

there's not a company out there that goes to their board.. "We're dumping our best selling camera (M50) and its entire line, and not giving them an alternative, and thus most of those users will go to other brands".

we're also a) not talking legacy b) talking R&D expenditures.

Killing a sucessful product line, and NOT offering an alternative to people to switch to is ... blindingly stupid.

I don't think Canon is stupid, so:

The rumors may be just plain wrong. As usual, people on a rumor site begin acting as if this was an official Canon announcement. It is not.

If Canon is considering phasing out the M line, they will almost certainly wait until they have a small, inexpensive R series APS-C camera on the market, and will see how they sell. The M line will not be discontinued until this happens, in my opinion.

They may try to introduce the new APS-c "Rebel" line with FF RF lenses that are as small and light as they can make them. We have seen them already make a very light RF24-105mm lens, but will probably need to go even smaller and lighter. If the market demands it, then they will make RF-S lenses.

I am sure that Canon has made no final decisions regarding the future of their crop line(s). Everything is in flux, regardless of how many consumers want some sort of concrete answer. It may take a few years until Canon - and every other camera company - has any sort of final roadmap in place.

 

[Richard CR]

T7 and M50 are big sellers in the USA as well.
They are the go to Costco and Walmart cameras.

actually they are a huge seller even at the larger camera stores from the sale stats that were shared with me.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

but they will need to bring the small and cheap RF-S lenses to replace the EF-M ones, otherwise the M idea is truly dead.

I fail to see the point in remaking the same cameras and same lenses on a different mount.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

Would it be possible for a Canon to make a camera body, about the same size as the RP, with interchangeable mounts, both R and M? Would anybody care to make a guess how much such a feature would add to the price of the body?

Sure.
Interchangeable mounts are common for cinema cameras.
They are pretty much unheard of on mirrorless cameras.
My guess is that is for ergonomic reasons.

 

[Richard CR]

I don't think Canon is stupid, so:

The rumors may be just plain wrong. As usual, people on a rumor site begin acting as if this was an official Canon announcement. It is not.

If Canon is considering phasing out the M line, they will almost certainly wait until they have a small, inexpensive R series APS-C camera on the market, and will see how it sells. The M line will not be discontinued until this happens, in my opinion.

They may try to introduce the new APS-c "Rebel" line with FF RF lenses that are as small and light as they can make them. We have seen them already make a very light RF24-105mm lens, but will probably need to go even smaller and lighter. If the market demands it, then they will make RF-S lenses.

I am sure that Canon has made no final decisions regarding the future of their crop line(s). Everything is in flux, regardless of how many consumers want some sort of concrete answer. It may take a few years until Canon - and every other camera company - has any sort of final roadmap in place.

The one problem I've had with all the EOS-M death rumors of the last year (and even the RF APS-C rumors) is the lack of RF-S lenses. Unless Canon is deciding to move the EF-M lenses which could be done fairly rapidly; from what I've been told, the process from start to finish for a new lens is rather long. So it's not as if they can decide after coming out with the RF camera that it's a bad idea and maybe we should release lenses, and release them in a few months time. we're talking years in totality. So in other words, they already know what they are doing.

But you are right in regards to the do both at the same time - this for instance is Canon's DNA - let the customer and markets decide. For instance, what sells well in NA may not sell as well in Asia. They saw that game work out perfect with the EF and EF-M why would they not repeat it? Basically, they made the EF-S and EF-M at the same time, and as the EF-S faded, EF-M picked up the slack. They let the users pick what they wanted.

What would seem weird is that Canon would then take a model that worked out well for them in the very recent past, and dump it.

Canon only has dumped a mount with no convertibility once in its entire history and that's because they had a compelling reason to have people switch to the new mount. In this case, canon's reason is "well, ughhhh it's a good idea we thought.... ". There's no tangible benefit to the consumer if they liked what they had, and Canon according to rumors is providing a worse solution that they want people to switch to.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

I don't think Canon is stupid, so:

The rumors may be just plain wrong. As usual, people on a rumor site begin acting as if this was an official Canon announcement. It is not.

If Canon is considering phasing out the M line, they will almost certainly wait until they have a small, inexpensive R series APS-C camera on the market, and will see how they sell. The M line will not be discontinued until this happens, in my opinion.

They may try to introduce the new APS-c "Rebel" line with FF RF lenses that are as small and light as they can make them. We have seen them already make a very light RF24-105mm lens, but will probably need to go even smaller and lighter. If the market demands it, then they will make RF-S lenses.

I am sure that Canon has made no final decisions regarding the future of their crop line(s). Everything is in flux, regardless of how many consumers want some sort of concrete answer. It may take a few years until Canon - and every other camera company - has any sort of final roadmap in place.

I agree.
That is how Canon usually does things.
They make a new camera and if it sells and the old one stops selling then they will replace the old one.
If they both sell then Canon will keep selling both because who wouldn't?

 

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Not surprising that EF-M is being killed off, hopefully there will be good selection of crop RF lenses from 3rd party(if they start making them).

Agree makes long term business sense to just have one mount for both APS ML & FF ML like the DSLR line (including nikon 2) there's no long term future in DSLR or EOS M and the long term resell value will plunge.

However kudos for Canon in going with right direction at the time introducing an excellent APS ML system 2012 (I think) over Nikon who made another ^^%%^^% mistake in going for toy like Nikon 1 and heavily cropped system.

No doubt EOS M users will feel the mount / system obsoletion pains that Nikon 1 users went through when Nikon abandonned Nikon 1 system

 

[SteveC]

T7 and M50 are big sellers in the USA as well.
They are the go to Costco and Walmart cameras.

I know the Rebels are good sellers. I had thought the M series wasn't doing nearly as well here (in the US) as were the Rebels. If I'm wrong about that, then my suggestion that EF-M could be discontinued here but not elsewhere clearly would make no sense.

 

[KeithBreazeal]

I bought a M5 when it came out and got hooked on mirrorless. The M5 is my "pack at all times" camera for day to day use and stays in my truck. I really don't like the idea of packing the 5D IV or 5DS and L lenses everywhere I go on a daily basis, plus it saves on wear on tear. I've made a couple of 24x36 prints from the M5 and they are very good. San to see the M series go by the wayside.

 

[HAWKS61]

I figured this was inevitable as the patented EF-m lenses were never released. Seems like Canon worked up a series of nice lenses to give them options, but then decided to go strictly RF.

perhaps the patents where just put out there to fool body buyers into thinking there wa a future in the EOS-M system, a form of deceptive marketing no doubt. It’s like selling you a car but oh guess what after these tyres are worn our you can’t buy more...Well done Canon you fooled them......

 

[dwarven]

sorry, but it was more or less fact against the article, and not pointed at you.
there's no "theorycrafting" here. The concept won't work and I even gave a very credible example of why.

Since I've also found most of the patent applications lately, i haven't seen any lens outside of the 17-70mm that would even suggest a dual use. And even then, the lenses are large, and thus, expensive. And certainly would be DOA against the competition who would have optimized APS-C lenses for their APS-C cameras. (the 17-70mm is nearly 6 inches long - how's that gong to do against a Nikon Z 16-55mm APS-C kit lens.. hmmm?)

Also every rumor the last year on RF APS-C has been emphatic on stating no RF-S lenses. We know the roadmap the next year, there's no RF-S lenses.

CR has been predicting EOS-M's demise for at least as long as I can remember and so have other sites.

We'll find out in the coming months, but the real evidence so far points to the M mount dying a slow death. Of course, they will sell it as long as it's profitable I'm sure. Just like how they still manufacture old EF lenses, but haven't released any new designs.

 

[Surab]

I fail to see the point in remaking the same cameras and same lenses on a different mount.

Mostly just to give future buyers the opportunity to mix and match between APSC and FF. This group might be too small though.

 

[Richard CR]

We'll find out in the coming months, but the real evidence so far points to the M mount dying a slow death. Of course, they will sell it as long as it's profitable I'm sure. Just like how they still manufacture old EF lenses, but haven't released any new designs.

EOS-M is a mature system, like EF-S was before it. It simply doesn't need a lot done to it. Sony didn't do anything with APS-C for 2-3 years prior to this one, did they discontinue the Alpha APS-C lineup?

That doesn't point to Canon discontinuing it.

 

[HAWKS61]

The RP is already very close to that price range.

It’s not the price point of the camera. people are looking for great quality thats not too big to lug around, the M system was perfect a couple of lenses and body takes up no room in your pack and very little weight, an RP body although light enough has bigger and heavier lenses and the cost of those lenses is at a minimum at least double that of the EF-m counterparts, compare the 18-150efm to the 24-240rf for example rrp is about half here in Aus.. its ok though there are still other small systems in the market I guess.. Fuji, Panasonic, Sony perhaps....

 

[Richard CR]

I know the Rebels are good sellers. I had thought the M series wasn't doing nearly as well here (in the US) as were the Rebels. If I'm wrong about that, then my suggestion that EF-M could be discontinued here but not elsewhere clearly would make no sense.

the sales stats i was shown this fall shocked the hell out of me. M50 was selling very well this year.

 

[Richard CR]

The RP is already very close to that price range.

The RP equivalent in the EOS-M lineup is probably not even feature comparable to the M50 original version. The RP was $400 over that, you have to compare MSRP's here. $400 in this category is not "very close"