Latest Canon disappoints wants me to switch over to Nikon.

[awinphoto]

golly this EXACT same topic was mentioned yesterday and subsequently censored/blocked from this forum... hmmm... oh well... If your unhappy, by all means, go find a camera system that tickles your fancy, but I dont see a point for posting it on this forum... good luck.

 

[00Q]

golly this EXACT same topic was mentioned yesterday and subsequently censored/blocked from this forum... hmmm... oh well... If your unhappy, by all means, go find a camera system that tickles your fancy, but I dont see a point for posting it on this forum... good luck.

why can't people post negative things about canon on this forum? Im not slating canon, only to voice my disappointment. You sir seems to be rather narrow minded about your brand.

 

[EYEONE]

golly this EXACT same topic was mentioned yesterday and subsequently censored/blocked from this forum... hmmm... oh well... If your unhappy, by all means, go find a camera system that tickles your fancy, but I dont see a point for posting it on this forum... good luck.

+1. This topic gets soooo old. Talk is cheap and no one cares.

 

[Orion]

I have been extremely disappointed with Canon lately. I have been waiting for the 5DMKIII that never comes. And the 24-70 was updated yesterday without IS and a huge price tag.

Plus, the Nikon D800 was announced yesterday with a very affordable price tag. I doubt the new 5DMKIII will beat the specs of the D800. Nikon also has the better wide angle zooms. Question I ask myself is why am I still with Canon?

And dont smite me on this, Im a canon fan. Just that I think Canon is out of touch with the present reality.

Well, for one, I just don`t understand what your beef is with a 5DmkIII release being +/- couple months away, or later this month . . . . All this becasue the D800 is out!? What if the D800 were not released yet, but later this month instead?? My point is that all the things I keep reading here make no sense in the real world. It`s like people are sleeping with either Canon or Nikon and they have this desire to defend one or the other as if weither company is thier best friend instead of the coonsumer electronics supplier. . . .

By all means, if you feel that Nikon is better, or Canon, then make your switch or stay . .. but I don;t see how that is any of my concern or anybody else`s. . . . honestly. It all sounds so childish.

. . . and if you think Canon is out of touch with present reality, then I guess the 1Dx is a nightmare? and no IS on a 24-70. . . . the lens must suck? I say give me IS over great glass any day? The fact that Canon is reportedly getting ready to introduce multiple camera bodies this year, is not a good enough reason to understand a bit longer wait? talkin weeks here, not years.

Maybe when the 5DmkIII comes out or anew model, somebody from Nikon will make a post over at Nikon rumors and say the exact opposite of that you are syaing here, and . . . oh wait . . that already happens.

 

[awinphoto]

golly this EXACT same topic was mentioned yesterday and subsequently censored/blocked from this forum... hmmm... oh well... If your unhappy, by all means, go find a camera system that tickles your fancy, but I dont see a point for posting it on this forum... good luck.

why can't people post negative things about canon on this forum? Im not slating canon, only to voice my disappointment. You sir seems to be rather narrow minded about your brand.

Not at all... I've had my beef's with Canon and been rather vocal in some things but to criticize a camera that hasn't even been announced compared a camera that hasn't even been released is a bit far fetched... If you wanted to gripe that we are waiting too long, the product/life cycle is too long, AF, etc you may have a point... and it's alright to change minds, switch brands, do whatever... that is your right... But posting like this in this manner, what are you trying to do? Trying to see if people will convince you otherwise? Trying to get more converts to make the jump with you? It just seems pointless to gripe just for the sake of griping.

 

[capertillar]

meh, just a point of discussion i would say... although the whole fanboy thing is quite hilarious...

we should focus on the discussion of what features the d800 has that the 5dmk3 can benefit from, and when the time comes, which features the 5dmk3 significantly surpass the d800 in...

im currently not terribly invested in canon, so i have the opportunity to make the switch, so im takin a chill pill while waiting for both to release their cameras and determine which it is i want to move forward in

but i do like the 1.2x crop feature the d800 has..

 

[awinphoto]

meh, just a point of discussion i would say... although the whole fanboy thing is quite hilarious...

we should focus on the discussion of what features the d800 has that the 5dmk3 can benefit from, and when the time comes, which features the 5dmk3 significantly surpass the d800 in...

im currently not terribly invested in canon, so i have the opportunity to make the switch, so im takin a chill pill while waiting for both to release their cameras and determine which it is i want to move forward in

but i do like the 1.2x crop feature the d800 has..

Isn't it a 1.5x crop feature? Ok I'll bite... how does everyone feel about the pop up flash thing... I know it's been looked down upon by the elite professionals and most elite professionals would never use it and all it could do is compromise durability since it's a moving part, but that aside, how many would like it for the occasional oh crap moment and or for the flash commander feature the 7D has?

 

[EYEONE]

meh, just a point of discussion i would say... although the whole fanboy thing is quite hilarious...

we should focus on the discussion of what features the d800 has that the 5dmk3 can benefit from, and when the time comes, which features the 5dmk3 significantly surpass the d800 in...

im currently not terribly invested in canon, so i have the opportunity to make the switch, so im takin a chill pill while waiting for both to release their cameras and determine which it is i want to move forward in

but i do like the 1.2x crop feature the d800 has..

Isn't it a 1.5x crop feature? Ok I'll bite... how does everyone feel about the pop up flash thing... I know it's been looked down upon by the elite professionals and most elite professionals would never use it and all it could do is compromise durability since it's a moving part, but that aside, how many would like it for the occasional oh crap moment and or for the flash commander feature the 7D has?

From using the 7D and making use of the flash commander a lot, I hope the 5DIII has a pop up with the same ability. It absolutely will not, but I wish anyway. I would mind if it were a very tiny flash that only worked to control others. I don't use the pop up as a flash anyway, I only use it to trigger others. Pro or not, why would you not want the built in ability to take the flash off the camera?

And the end of the day I'd like buy into a system that allows HSS. But, the strobe trigger has awesome abilities indoors and outdoors when you don't need to kill the sun.

 

[moreorless]

I'd point out that the Nikon 24-70 doesnt have IS and costs $1900, whats more with Nikon you don't have the option of a good quality F/4 normal zoom given the 24-120's shortcomings compaired to the 24-105's.

When your dealing with these monster megapixel counts my guess is that theres going to need to be more of a movement back towards tripods anyway to get the best out of them.

 

[awinphoto]

meh, just a point of discussion i would say... although the whole fanboy thing is quite hilarious...

we should focus on the discussion of what features the d800 has that the 5dmk3 can benefit from, and when the time comes, which features the 5dmk3 significantly surpass the d800 in...

im currently not terribly invested in canon, so i have the opportunity to make the switch, so im takin a chill pill while waiting for both to release their cameras and determine which it is i want to move forward in

but i do like the 1.2x crop feature the d800 has..

Isn't it a 1.5x crop feature? Ok I'll bite... how does everyone feel about the pop up flash thing... I know it's been looked down upon by the elite professionals and most elite professionals would never use it and all it could do is compromise durability since it's a moving part, but that aside, how many would like it for the occasional oh crap moment and or for the flash commander feature the 7D has?

From using the 7D and making use of the flash commander a lot, I hope the 5DIII has a pop up with the same ability. It absolutely will not, but I wish anyway. I would mind if it were a very tiny flash that only worked to control others. I don't use the pop up as a flash anyway, I only use it to trigger others. Pro or not, why would you not want the built in ability to take the flash off the camera?

And the end of the day I'd like buy into a system that allows HSS. But, the strobe trigger has awesome abilities indoors and outdoors when you don't need to kill the sun.

Would you prefer to have a pop up flash commander or perhaps no pop up flash but maybe a radio or IR transmitter for a commander?

 

[Dylan777]

I'm sick of reading all these whiny posts about "gonna switch to Nikon". Do you guys enjoy taking pictures or just collecting tech? When you invest in a brand, you invest in the system. Just because the competing brand releases something "better" you honestly think Canon is going to sit idle? If you've already thought about it, don't justify it to everyone else, just do it and be done with it.

Am with you on this...JUST DO IT

 

[EYEONE]

meh, just a point of discussion i would say... although the whole fanboy thing is quite hilarious...

we should focus on the discussion of what features the d800 has that the 5dmk3 can benefit from, and when the time comes, which features the 5dmk3 significantly surpass the d800 in...

im currently not terribly invested in canon, so i have the opportunity to make the switch, so im takin a chill pill while waiting for both to release their cameras and determine which it is i want to move forward in

but i do like the 1.2x crop feature the d800 has..

Isn't it a 1.5x crop feature? Ok I'll bite... how does everyone feel about the pop up flash thing... I know it's been looked down upon by the elite professionals and most elite professionals would never use it and all it could do is compromise durability since it's a moving part, but that aside, how many would like it for the occasional oh crap moment and or for the flash commander feature the 7D has?

From using the 7D and making use of the flash commander a lot, I hope the 5DIII has a pop up with the same ability. It absolutely will not, but I wish anyway. I would mind if it were a very tiny flash that only worked to control others. I don't use the pop up as a flash anyway, I only use it to trigger others. Pro or not, why would you not want the built in ability to take the flash off the camera?

And the end of the day I'd like buy into a system that allows HSS. But, the strobe trigger has awesome abilities indoors and outdoors when you don't need to kill the sun.

Would you prefer to have a pop up flash commander or perhaps no pop up flash but maybe a radio or IR transmitter for a commander?

Can they build an IR into the camera?

I don't have any experience with IR transmitters but I'm wondering if it works as well for situations where you don't have line of sight. For example when I'm using my 430s and the 7D I don't have to orient the flash base to face the camera. The 430s will pick up the bounce and fire anyway. Even outside in the late afternoon I've used it with a high rate of success. Would I still have that ability if it were an IR commander built into the 5DIII? Is line of sight more or less important?

 

[KeithR]

why can't people post negative things about canon on this forum?

Because it's arrogant of you - and of anyone else who posts along the same lines (guess what? You're saying nothing new) - to assume that anyone else really cares about your personal problems with Canon...

 

[awinphoto]

Can they build an IR into the camera?

I don't have any experience with IR transmitters but I'm wondering if it works as well for situations where you don't have line of sight. For example when I'm using my 430s and the 7D I don't have to orient the flash base to face the camera. The 430s will pick up the bounce and fire anyway. Even outside in the late afternoon I've used it with a high rate of success. Would I still have that ability if it were an IR commander built into the 5DIII? Is line of sight more or less important?

Aren't TV remotes IR based? Could be as simple as a red window maybe next to the canon logo on the prism housing or near where the focus assist lamp is usually on the XXd cameras? The Canon ST-E2 is IR based, is it not? There is a line of sight factor to consider but so does the pop up flash with the 7D for what it matters...

 

[EYEONE]

Can they build an IR into the camera?

I don't have any experience with IR transmitters but I'm wondering if it works as well for situations where you don't have line of sight. For example when I'm using my 430s and the 7D I don't have to orient the flash base to face the camera. The 430s will pick up the bounce and fire anyway. Even outside in the late afternoon I've used it with a high rate of success. Would I still have that ability if it were an IR commander built into the 5DIII? Is line of sight more or less important?

Aren't TV remotes IR based? Could be as simple as a red window maybe next to the canon logo on the prism housing or near where the focus assist lamp is usually on the XXd cameras? The Canon ST-E2 is IR based, is it not? There is a line of sight factor to consider but so does the pop up flash with the 7D for what it matters...

As I said though, if you are indoors or not in direct sun light you do not need line of sight with the 7D to trigger flashes. If you are indoors it works with flashes behind the camera, facing the other way, or around corners. Outside you have to put the flashes in front of the camera but as long as you have shade or a setting sun you don't have to make sure the receiver is facing the camera.

I'm thinking they would need a IR transmitter on either side of the lens to prevent the lens from blocking the signal. But other wise I guess it could work well. If it would allow HSS I'd go for it. I believe the 580 as a controller allows HSS right?

 

[capertillar]

im undecided on the flash... btw, there are nikon folks on the nikon forums who are "not happy" with the inclusion of flash on the d800... guess they like canon's full frame bodies that dont have flash

i can imagine it being useful, but depends on the size of the lens, not familiar with the size of nikons lenses, so cant speak to that, but i cant use the built in flash on my t2i with my 24-70

and i believe its 1.2x, crops the 24x36 to 24x30 for convenient 8x10 prints...

definitely need to know the high iso performance on both the d800 and the 5dmk3/x before i pull any triggers though

 

[awinphoto]

Can they build an IR into the camera?

I don't have any experience with IR transmitters but I'm wondering if it works as well for situations where you don't have line of sight. For example when I'm using my 430s and the 7D I don't have to orient the flash base to face the camera. The 430s will pick up the bounce and fire anyway. Even outside in the late afternoon I've used it with a high rate of success. Would I still have that ability if it were an IR commander built into the 5DIII? Is line of sight more or less important?

Aren't TV remotes IR based? Could be as simple as a red window maybe next to the canon logo on the prism housing or near where the focus assist lamp is usually on the XXd cameras? The Canon ST-E2 is IR based, is it not? There is a line of sight factor to consider but so does the pop up flash with the 7D for what it matters...

As I said though, if you are indoors or not in direct sun light you do not need line of sight with the 7D to trigger flashes. If you are indoors it works with flashes behind the camera, facing the other way, or around corners. Outside you have to put the flashes in front of the camera but as long as you have shade or a setting sun you don't have to make sure the receiver is facing the camera.

I'm thinking they would need a IR transmitter on either side of the lens to prevent the lens from blocking the signal. But other wise I guess it could work well. If it would allow HSS I'd go for it. I believe the 580 as a controller allows HSS right?

I believe it works as a controller and HSS. Im sure theres a lot of real estate on the body of the 5d where they could sneak and IR transmitter or two or three if they wanted to do it... I just dont see why they would give that function to the 7D, a sports camera, and not give it to the 5d, a STUDIO camera. But what do i know? 8)

 

[awinphoto]

im undecided on the flash... btw, there are nikon folks on the nikon forums who are "not happy" with the inclusion of flash on the d800... guess they like canon's full frame bodies that dont have flash

i can imagine it being useful, but depends on the size of the lens, not familiar with the size of nikons lenses, so cant speak to that, but i cant use the built in flash on my t2i with my 24-70

and i believe its 1.2x, crops the 24x36 to 24x30 for convenient 8x10 prints...

definitely need to know the high iso performance on both the d800 and the 5dmk3/x before i pull any triggers though

I thought it was 1.5 to match their crop body sensors (best of both worlds) but i could be wrong. I think the flash used to be one of those taboo things where pro's hated that people would become dependent with on-camera flash, plus it doesn't work well beyond like 10 feet and looks bad and unflattering, but also was one of those "if you dont want it, dont use it kinda thing" and seen as a lower end function, hence the 1d and 5d never had one. There are times when i'm out shooting, maybe I have a flash with me, maybe I dont, or maybe its set up for a larger shoot i'm about to do but I want to do some quick set-up or snap shots and it's unavailable... at times it's nice just to have that option, but I can see the argument either way... But if it adds even more functionality (commander)... perhaps its even more important.

 

[TexPhoto]

I am opening a home for unwanted Canon gear. Please forward you unwanted gear to me at: Pretend address 00918

Please send camera bodies < 2 years old and all L lenses via federal express overnight.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

I have been extremely disappointed with Canon lately. I have been waiting for the 5DMKIII that never comes. And the 24-70 was updated yesterday without IS and a huge price tag.

Plus, the Nikon D800 was announced yesterday with a very affordable price tag. I doubt the new 5DMKIII will beat the specs of the D800. Nikon also has the better wide angle zooms. Question I ask myself is why am I still with Canon?

And dont smite me on this, Im a canon fan. Just that I think Canon is out of touch with the present reality.

The rumors, on this site, make it sound like either a fast 18MP body or a very slow fps 40MP from Canon will be the two choices.

The D800 is kind of a nice split, rather slow as a FF, but with full grip a DX body with pretty decent speed, close to a true all rounder with top AF, top MP for detail and reach, top video, and still a way to get some speed (although this part is implemented a touch weirdly and weakly but still it is there and more than can be said for the competition).