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#21
Viggo said:
PhilDrinkwater said:
Err... is this the same camera we know and love ???

If it turns out that LR is the problem with DR in the 5d3 (and Canons before it?) then we need to throw our weight on Adobe to find out what the problem is. I know for sure there's NO WAY I could push anywhere near that amount out of the shadows on the 5d2. I now wonder if it's LR or the cameras!?

(and I've always loved LR so much :( )
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+1! I certainly hope that this hasn't been a problem with earlier Canon's and that they will do a very thourough fix with the acr supporting 5d3. I can't ever start to use DPP, it's like wiping your a$$ with the other hand suddenly...
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+2...i hate the workflow with dpp...really hoping for LR to fix their converter
 
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PhilDrinkwater said:
Out of interest, I wonder what dxo is like? I presume they use their own engine for dxomark? Or have missed something?

Looks like they use the actual sensor data...
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They don't do any conversion at all, they take that element out of the equation, they just look at the RAW data as is without any sharpening or NR or demosaic or anything done to it at all.
 
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MrKorney said:
I was wondering if anyone has any clue if Aperture has the same issue?
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Im wondering the same thing. Maybe someone that uses both LR4 and Aperture 3 can do the test and see.

If it does actually turn out to be the same as LR4 then it could prove to a degree that its a canon issue, if the results are not the same though it would suggest that it is a software issue. You get what i mean.

Basically more tested platforms the more points of reference and a better chance of getting a definitive result.

We wait to see if anyone can be bothered.

:)
 
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#28
What were the shot parameters in terms of sharpening and NR? DPP applies these automatically, so when the photo was processed and saved as TIFF/bitmap, this is effectively similar to applying NR in LR and exporting a TIFF back into the catalog before playing with it. Right? Don't mean to be pessimistic, just want to make sure I have the facts straight.

I cancelled my D800 order after seeing the low light video samples. Would love to see the 5DM3 excel at stills as well, but I'm cautious.
 
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JustinTArthur said:
What were the shot parameters in terms of sharpening and NR? DPP applies these automatically, so when the photo was processed and saved as TIFF/bitmap, this is effectively similar to applying NR in LR and exporting a TIFF back into the catalog before playing with it. Right? Don't mean to be pessimistic, just want to make sure I have the facts straight.

I cancelled my D800 order after seeing the low light video samples. Would love to see the 5DM3 excel at stills as well, but I'm cautious.
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I can get some similar results out of LR with some messing with the luminance noise reduction. I will say I am still using LR to edit the photos over DPP because 99% of the time I am not pushing the shadows much and DPP is really crappy to use. banding does seem to be better using the DPP method.
 
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Matt, very interesting stuff. I agree with another poster, put that original file up for everyone and let eople test it on their diff software programs to see which handles it best. I am also curious about Capture one and how it handles things as it is compatible with the 5dm3 and LR isn't really. Its been a month and a half and Adobe LR still can't get the 5dm3 images optimized...That's Bunk!
 
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Guys as far as I know Canon still hasn't released the 5D3 SDK! Something weird is going on - all the delays, issues, etc. Best camera I've ever used but I can't shake the feeling Canon was waiting until August to release it until Nikon forced its hand. Never mind - at least the camera will get better with time :)
 
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#32
Same very good results with Corel AfterShot Pro 1.0.1.10 which supports 5DMk3.

Raised the shadows till the max - no problem with shots at ISO 100 shoot in sun (contre-jour). Ok, for nit-pickers there is very very very low noise. And this without any other Noise Reduction/Post Processing adjustment.

But if one use one (or more) NR/PP engines from AfterShot the results are (almost) perfect - especially using Noise Ninja Lite and Perfectly Clear (both embedded in AfterShot).

Taking in account that it is a very good, very fast, mature and relatively cheap program (in fact it is the old Bibble 5 which Corel purchased) I'd recommend it over LR.

HTH
 
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MattBicePhotography said:
So I read in the EOS bodies for stills forum that DPP handles the RAW files far better than light room. So to test this, I took this photo outside of my apartment with a bright texas sun off of white rocks and a nice dark shadow in the covered hallway. I opened the photo with DPP and just saved it to Full tilt TIFF. I then opened the photo in CS5.5 and Duplicated the background layer. On this new layer I adjust the shadows and highlights to 100% on the shadow slider. I also brightened the "X" even further using the dodge tool set to shadows and 100 exposure.

Let me blow your mind a little.

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AND......

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obviously these could not have been taken by a 5D3............. ::) ::) ::)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattbicephotography/ here is my photostream so you can go look at the pictures at full size. I think LR4.1 RC certainly works better with Nikon.
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Hope this turns 100% true, can't wait to get home & try it. I have been following the D800 DR threads with a frown >:( as thoughts of converting started to creep....

Thanks a million!! ;D ;D I'll focus now on getting my replacement 5DM3 with 70-200 2.8 (double rebate!!)
 
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#35
MattBicePhotography said:
I will put the Original Raw file up, but, I am not sure how to upload the actual .CR2. I have never had to do this, anyone wanna let me know?
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1. Go to www.sendspace.com
2. Press "Browse"
3. Choose your file (press Ok + Upload)
4. Wait for the file to upload. At the end the site will give you a link. Press "Copy" to copy the link on the clipboard.
5. Paste the link here.

HTH :-)
 
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#37
I guess from my perspective, while I hope this is true, I'm not sure it will turn out to be. I do wonder whether DPP automatically adds a truck load of NR to the shadows for one thing...

Anyway, we'll see :)
 
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#38
I see alot of debate with LR not being able to handle 5D3 raws well..and ACR seems to be the same.
However, for some reason i can't install DPP on my macbook..just doesn't run and i don't have LR4..i only have Aperture…i wonder if Aperture also suffers the same "softness" as LR and ACR?
 
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#39
so has someone done a test with LR, DPP and Photoshop he can show?

i would like to see images with NR off and pushed shadows and the best result you could achive with tweaked NR.

im very curious to see if fredmirandas results where because of an flaw in LR or not.
 
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#40
This isn't a very good test because you have nothing to compare it against. You need to take a D800 and do the same shot and run it through the same process. Then you'd be able to tell if the 5D3 DR is better or worse than the D800 and whether LR has bug that limits shadow recovery from the 5D3. Also, DXO tests do not use LR to measure DR. Finally don't tell me that LR did 5D2 files fine, but suddenly can't do 5D3 files properly.
 
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