Magic Lantern... CONTINUOUS raw recording @ 24fps on 5D3

[LetTheRightLensIn]

For those complaining about the Komputerbay memory cards: DO YOUR RESEARCH. It clearly states on the product info that the 128GB cards have slower write times than the 64GB cards. Don’t just blindly buy any card that says 1000X, that rating comes from the READ speed, not the WRITE speed. (as it has since I’ve been using CF cards on the original 5D)

I have a 64GB Komputerbay card, I was originally a skeptic but, it works just fine. I’ve already shot over 256GB of RAW video with zero issues. The 64GB card is the one to get right now. If you need more space just get a couple. If you need to do single clips longer than 64GB in size…you would probably be better served by the crappy on-board video.

Also, these cards seem to use the same chips as the Sandisk ones…so enjoy paying for brand names.

The place where I ordered my KomputerBay advertised a "minimum 90MB/s write speed", which was not accurate and I am returning it today. No big deal. On a side note, James Miller shot part of his "Genesis" video using this card (shooting 1920 x 720).

I ordered a Transcend 1000x 128GB about 10 days ago. It just arrived. The fastest write time I could get was around 83MB/s. It's not useless, but it won't get 1920x1080. I'm returning it today. No big deal.

Fortunately, I have a Lexar 1000x 32GB and a Hoodman 1000x 64GB, which both write in the low 90s. Next up for me is a KomputerBay 1000x 64GB (probably sold out most places by now). And then I'll be on the prowl for a Toshiba.

Wow, that sucks! What site was it? Amazon lists the write speeds, thankfully, or I would've suffered the same fate! I almost pulled the trigger on the 128GB until I saw that.

I'm hoping fast cards come down in price soon, I have an 8-day climbing trip to Canada in two months and I'd like to be able to shoot more than 7 minutes of RAW video! lately I've been just lugging my laptop along and transferring to it as my one fast card fills up.

I keep shooting 1920x720 on accident, I wish the ML firmware would default to 1920x1080 instead of 1920x720...oh well, beggars can't be choosers!

There are definitely fast, bigger cards (Transcend) but I'm trying to save up for a new wide-angel prime so I'll hold out for now! (I'd feel like a chump paying over $300 for a freakin' memory card!)

So far:

BAD:
Sandisk Extreme Pro 90MB/s UDMA6 32GB are no good.
Komputerbay 1000x 128GB UDMA7 150MB/s are no good.
Basically forget anything rated less than 1000x or without UDMA7 and even at UDMA7 and 1000x, the 128GB cards are more likely to be suspect as are less than ultra-premium brands it seems.

GOOD:
Lexar 1000x 32GB work
Hoodman Steel 1000x 64GB work

 

[LOALTD]

For those complaining about the Komputerbay memory cards: DO YOUR RESEARCH. It clearly states on the product info that the 128GB cards have slower write times than the 64GB cards. Don’t just blindly buy any card that says 1000X, that rating comes from the READ speed, not the WRITE speed. (as it has since I’ve been using CF cards on the original 5D)

I have a 64GB Komputerbay card, I was originally a skeptic but, it works just fine. I’ve already shot over 256GB of RAW video with zero issues. The 64GB card is the one to get right now. If you need more space just get a couple. If you need to do single clips longer than 64GB in size…you would probably be better served by the crappy on-board video.

Also, these cards seem to use the same chips as the Sandisk ones…so enjoy paying for brand names.

The place where I ordered my KomputerBay advertised a "minimum 90MB/s write speed", which was not accurate and I am returning it today. No big deal. On a side note, James Miller shot part of his "Genesis" video using this card (shooting 1920 x 720).

I ordered a Transcend 1000x 128GB about 10 days ago. It just arrived. The fastest write time I could get was around 83MB/s. It's not useless, but it won't get 1920x1080. I'm returning it today. No big deal.

Fortunately, I have a Lexar 1000x 32GB and a Hoodman 1000x 64GB, which both write in the low 90s. Next up for me is a KomputerBay 1000x 64GB (probably sold out most places by now). And then I'll be on the prowl for a Toshiba.

Wow, that sucks! What site was it? Amazon lists the write speeds, thankfully, or I would've suffered the same fate! I almost pulled the trigger on the 128GB until I saw that.

I'm hoping fast cards come down in price soon, I have an 8-day climbing trip to Canada in two months and I'd like to be able to shoot more than 7 minutes of RAW video! lately I've been just lugging my laptop along and transferring to it as my one fast card fills up.

I keep shooting 1920x720 on accident, I wish the ML firmware would default to 1920x1080 instead of 1920x720...oh well, beggars can't be choosers!

There are definitely fast, bigger cards (Transcend) but I'm trying to save up for a new wide-angel prime so I'll hold out for now! (I'd feel like a chump paying over $300 for a freakin' memory card!)

So far:

BAD:
Sandisk Extreme Pro 90MB/s UDMA6 32GB are no good.
Komputerbay 1000x 128GB UDMA7 90MB/s are no good.
Basically forget anything rated less than 1000x or without UDMA7 and even at UDMA7 and 1000x, the 128GB cards are more likely to be suspect as are less than ultra-premium brands it seems.

GOOD:
Lexar 1000x 32GB work
Hoodman Steel 1000x 64GB work

Komputerbay 64GB 1000X's are working great as well! They are what the guy at EOSHD has been has been shooting with and I've shot almost 300GB of footage with mine so far with zero dropped frames or issues! The Lexars are Hoodmans are soooo overpriced, I probably would've never started shooting RAW video if those were the only game in town

The cards I usually shoot with (before I got into raw video) are the Transcend 400X's...they are awesome cards...I wish their 128GB 1000X cards were cheaper, they look awesome (rated at 120GB/s WRITE speed! Even if they can't hit that number it still should be more than enough for 1080p @ 24fps RAW)

 

[LOALTD]

Here's my latest short/test with this firmware, I continue to be amazed:

https://vimeo.com/67288607

This was shot over a Memorial Day rock climbing trip to Idaho.

Very nice! The picture quality is amazing. Resolution, dynamic range,... everything!

Thanks! It's exactly the same as stills IQ which...compared to all the trashy video codecs...is OUTSTANDING by comparison. I don't even waste time shooting comparison footage anymore, if you can't see the difference you need to visit your optometrist!

My HDD backups are hurting though :-/

 

[chauncey]

Does anyone know if the ML's ISO improvement in recording is carried through to the same degree of improvement in RAW still images?

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Does anyone know if the ML's ISO improvement in recording is carried through to the same degree of improvement in RAW still images?

Not at all. It is not magic. All does is get around the step where something nasty gets done to the video and lets you get RAW for video while before you could only get RAW for stills. It can't make the sensor any better than it is and for stills Canon already let you access RAW and they were already getting the best possible from RAW.

 

[LOALTD]

Does anyone know if the ML's ISO improvement in recording is carried through to the same degree of improvement in RAW still images?

Yes it is, the image quality is exactly the same as still images.

Pretty much, think of it as a "real time timelpase". It's just shooting 2MP raw, still images at a rate of 24 fps.

You'll have to edit them a bit more than a still though...for whatever reason the white balance they default to is very heavy in the magenta department.

Oooh, looks like a misread your question. Stills quality is un-touched when running the ML firmware.

 

[eyeland]

...working with the DNGs in Lightroom is still really useful though. I find it much easier to tweak and do cool stuff....

I also like using Lightroom better, but some people have reported that using Lightroom with 2012 calibration can cause flicker as it appears to apply some tweaks on an individual image basis.
@LetTheRightLensIn
Please keep us updated with your findings/thoughts on the color management/workflow! Thanks

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

...working with the DNGs in Lightroom is still really useful though. I find it much easier to tweak and do cool stuff....

I also like using Lightroom better, but some people have reported that using Lightroom with 2012 calibration can cause flicker as it appears to apply some tweaks on an individual image basis.
@LetTheRightLensIn
Please keep us updated with your findings/thoughts on the color management/workflow! Thanks

Yeah I am noticing that for certain clips it (ACR 2012 whether through LR or PS apparently since you mention LR and I use PS) does introduce flicker. For now I pretend it is a flickering film projector .

 

[Drizzt321]

...working with the DNGs in Lightroom is still really useful though. I find it much easier to tweak and do cool stuff....

I also like using Lightroom better, but some people have reported that using Lightroom with 2012 calibration can cause flicker as it appears to apply some tweaks on an individual image basis.
@LetTheRightLensIn
Please keep us updated with your findings/thoughts on the color management/workflow! Thanks

Yeah I am noticing that for certain clips it (ACR 2012 whether through LR or PS apparently since you mention LR and I use PS) does introduce flicker. For now I pretend it is a flickering film projector .

Not having use the 5d3 raw or anything, but couldn't you go into Library module in Lightroom and make the individual frames fairly small (I'm guessing they're displayed as an entire set of individual raw images) and just scroll through them quickly to see if there are any that have significantly different exposure to find those flickers?

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

...working with the DNGs in Lightroom is still really useful though. I find it much easier to tweak and do cool stuff....

I also like using Lightroom better, but some people have reported that using Lightroom with 2012 calibration can cause flicker as it appears to apply some tweaks on an individual image basis.
@LetTheRightLensIn
Please keep us updated with your findings/thoughts on the color management/workflow! Thanks

Yeah I am noticing that for certain clips it (ACR 2012 whether through LR or PS apparently since you mention LR and I use PS) does introduce flicker. For now I pretend it is a flickering film projector .

Not having use the 5d3 raw or anything, but couldn't you go into Library module in Lightroom and make the individual frames fairly small (I'm guessing they're displayed as an entire set of individual raw images) and just scroll through them quickly to see if there are any that have significantly different exposure to find those flickers?

Tricky when like 300 out of a 1000 appear to. I think some of it was actually there in real life though I think some bushes were blowing around and rapidly changing the lighting in the scene. I think 24fps makes it seem more strobe like that in real life and ACR probably did accentuate it a bit though too.

 

[dirtcastle]

That flickering (aka color/luma shifting) is probably the one caused by automatic adjustments in Lightroom 2012. The following is a post about it on the Magic Lantern forum.

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=5710.0

It happens when changes in the image (such as a person walking across the screen) triggers automatic Lightroom adjustments.

The good news is that you can selectively revert batches of frames back to "Process 2010" (which does not automatically adjust it) in the Settings > Process menu. The bad news is that you lose several years of LR feature advancements. But obviously, it's still better than reverting back to H.264.

For sequences with lots of motion and histogram changes, use Process 2010. For relatively calm and stable shots, use Process 2012. Or you can just use Process 2012 until you see a flicker/shift, and then revert.

More early-adopter penalties. :'(

 

[Plaid Zebra Films]

Here is a test video I shot last weekend in Big Sur (May 22nd Nightly build). The post-production was done through Lightroom.

https://vimeo.com/67422760

 

[LOALTD]

Here's a short I threw together with some RAW video on a recent alpine climbing trip:

https://vimeo.com/68106828

 

[cayenne]

I've not had a chance to read again through the ML forums to catch up.

What's the latest progress on this? There was so much info about the breakthrough...but not much word on how progress was to refining this for a more general release to the public.

Anyone?


Thanx,

C

 

[LOALTD]

Features are still being worked on/added in the nightly builds, but I haven’t updated to any of them. The builds are still pre-alpha for the time being.

 

[risc32]

Here's a short I threw together with some RAW video on a recent alpine climbing trip:

https://vimeo.com/68106828

is there some sort of funniness going on in this video or am i just nuts?vthe corners keep moving. it almost looks like distortion correction is being switched on and off during the video. either way it still looks 100x better than thing i can put together, and the scenery is spectacular. thanks for posting it.

 

[LOALTD]

Here's a short I threw together with some RAW video on a recent alpine climbing trip:

https://vimeo.com/68106828

is there some sort of funniness going on in this video or am i just nuts?vthe corners keep moving. it almost looks like distortion correction is being switched on and off during the video. either way it still looks 100x better than thing i can put together, and the scenery is spectacular. thanks for posting it.

You aren't crazy! This footage was extremely shaky, and I digitally "fixed" it. I honestly don't like the way it looks, but I had one cut with it un-"fixed"...and it looked even worse/more distracting.

I wasn't able to rent image-stabilized primes and my team would not let me setup a tripod while climbing...so this is the best I could do unfortunately!

I'm still struggling with how to take video while alpine climbing that doesn't look like it was shot by someone with parkinson's.

Rock climbing is much easier to use a tripod on, I'm much more happy with this:
https://vimeo.com/66866250

Regardless, I'm having a blast playing with this firmware, even if I'm an amateur, at best!

 

[dirtcastle]

What's the latest progress on this? There was so much info about the breakthrough...but not much word on how progress was to refining this for a more general release to the public.

I think the in-camera stuff is pretty solid now (varying a bit by model). But the post-processing workflow is still in flux.

There are a number post-processing sub-projects going on right now, but as far as I can tell... nothing has risen to the top yet. If everyone were on the same OS, using the same applications, and wanted the same editing format, I think we'd have a solution by now. But it's just the opposite. That said, people are definitely chugging along.

Check out the ML post-processing forum. There's at least 8-9 projects, each with their own different process or software.

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?board=14.0

I will be taking some of these workflows for a spin over the next week.

If anyone else has tried a converter other than raw2dng, it would be great to get some details.

 

[eyeland]

I am still holding my breath, waiting for a breakthrough in terms of in-camera conversion to 10 or 12 bit.
The hope is that one of the developers stumble on an undocumented feature in the DIGIC or that a canon engineer decides to show some love

 

[Niki]

BY THE END OF SUMMER WE SHOULD KNOW A LOT MORE...