More Specifications & Images of EOS 5D Mark IV

[3kramd5]

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except canon is readying it's 120MP 5Ds camera based upon new tech.

120MP was on APS-H.

There is no basis to believe that Canon have anything in progress for a sensor with more than ~61MP FF.

The 120MP version they showed off at CP+ was 29.2X20.2, so slightly larger than APS-H and smaller than full frame. It's clear that in the past Canon had no qualms about putting multiple sensor formats within a camera line, but regardless, what they fabricated as a proof of concept isn't necessarily what they would package in a commercial product.

 

[MacinScott]

Why include a USB 3.0 terminal instead of the newer USB-Type C that is the future?

http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/usb-type-c-everything-you-need-to-know

 

[crazyrunner33]

Why include a USB 3.0 terminal instead of the newer USB-Type C that is the future?

http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/usb-type-c-everything-you-need-to-know

This is probably for one of two reasons, the camera may have been in development before USB C started to become a little more main stream. There's also a lot of bad cables for USB C that Google engineers pointed out, Canon may have been concerned about someone using third party cables that would damage the camera. Plus, USB 3 is pretty close to matching the current CF speed.

 

[crazyrunner33]

How this is possible this camera shoots MJPEG while the ol' good 5dsr (probably a worst camera for video) shoots h.264?

Mjpeg is for 4k, h.264 will be for 1080

Should be x.265 for 4k...

H.265 requires a lot of processing power, and creates a lot of heat as a result. The last thing Canon wants is a bunch videographers complaining about their cameras overheating after 3 minutes of shooting. Motion JPEG is old, and requires a lot of data to create an acceptable image, but it's easier on the processor side. Perhaps the 5D Mark V will use H.265 once the processors become more efficient.

 

[E]

How this is possible this camera shoots MJPEG while the ol' good 5dsr (probably a worst camera for video) shoots h.264?

MJPEG seems more popular for post production, as it contains more information. Haven't tried it out myself, though, but it seems reasonable, so I'm happy they stick to it.

If I could dream, I would like ProRes 422 HQ or uncompressed 10 bit 4444. At least when you send the video stream directly to a computer.

Even the cheapest cameras can make 1080p video - but the codec and the overall quality of the video is what is most important - not the pixel count.

I fell in love with Canon when I watched the film "Rubber", which is made with an EOS 5D Mark II. Although it cheated a bit, by transferring the video to 35mm film, and then back to video again. That (of course) produces real film grain, instead of all those horrible fake film grain that people add in post production.

I don't like the picture that RED makes either, and it doesn't work well with compressors for DVD or Bluray.

 

[rrcphoto]

...
except canon is readying it's 120MP 5Ds camera based upon new tech.

120MP was on APS-H.

There is no basis to believe that Canon have anything in progress for a sensor with more than ~61MP FF.

did you forget the actual development announcement?

http://www.canon.com/news/2015/sep08e2.html

Featuring a resolution of approximately 120 effective megapixels, the SLR camera now being developed will incorporate a Canon-developed high-pixel-density CMOS sensor within the current EOS-series platform, which will realize compatibility with the Company’s diverse interchangeable EF lens lineup.3 The high-resolution images that the camera will be capable of producing will recreate the three-dimensional texture, feel and presence of subjects, making them appear as if they are really before one’s eyes. The camera will facilitate a level of resolution that is more than sufficient for enlarged poster-sized printout while also enabling images to be cropped and trimmed without sacrificing image resolution and clarity.

it takes canon around 3 years to develop a camera.

so 2018.

 

[kaihp]

Why include a USB 3.0 terminal instead of the newer USB-Type C that is the future?

http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/usb-type-c-everything-you-need-to-know

This is probably for one of two reasons, the camera may have been in development before USB C started to become a little more main stream. There's also a lot of bad cables for USB C that Google engineers pointed out, Canon may have been concerned about someone using third party cables that would damage the camera. Plus, USB 3 is pretty close to matching the current CF speed.

I agree on the development timing point.
However, the issues around Type-C cables are only about charging power as far as I can tell. Devices that don't charge through the cable won't have a problem.

 

[ahsanford]

Reminder: POLLS!

What do you hate? http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=30526.0

What do you love? http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=30527.0

DO IT.

- A

 

[rrcphoto]

Why include a USB 3.0 terminal instead of the newer USB-Type C that is the future?

http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/usb-type-c-everything-you-need-to-know

This is probably for one of two reasons, the camera may have been in development before USB C started to become a little more main stream. There's also a lot of bad cables for USB C that Google engineers pointed out, Canon may have been concerned about someone using third party cables that would damage the camera. Plus, USB 3 is pretty close to matching the current CF speed.

not to mention it remains to be seen or known if the processors and bridges have enough high speed lanes to run USB and CF/SD, video controllers,etc. that it all has to do .. AND support USB 3.1 / USB-C

 

[3kramd5]

...
except canon is readying it's 120MP 5Ds camera based upon new tech.

120MP was on APS-H.

There is no basis to believe that Canon have anything in progress for a sensor with more than ~61MP FF.

did you forget the actual development announcement?

http://www.canon.com/news/2015/sep08e2.html

Featuring a resolution of approximately 120 effective megapixels, the SLR camera now being developed will incorporate a Canon-developed high-pixel-density CMOS sensor within the current EOS-series platform, which will realize compatibility with the Company’s diverse interchangeable EF lens lineup.3 The high-resolution images that the camera will be capable of producing will recreate the three-dimensional texture, feel and presence of subjects, making them appear as if they are really before one’s eyes. The camera will facilitate a level of resolution that is more than sufficient for enlarged poster-sized printout while also enabling images to be cropped and trimmed without sacrificing image resolution and clarity.

it takes canon around 3 years to develop a camera.

so 2018.

What he was saying is that there is no explicit indication canon is working on a 120MP full frame sensor. I guess his assumptions were either that anything in a 5D must be full frame, or that nothing prototyped at APS-H-ish will be scaled for production.

 

[rrcphoto]

...
except canon is readying it's 120MP 5Ds camera based upon new tech.

120MP was on APS-H.

There is no basis to believe that Canon have anything in progress for a sensor with more than ~61MP FF.

did you forget the actual development announcement?

http://www.canon.com/news/2015/sep08e2.html

Featuring a resolution of approximately 120 effective megapixels, the SLR camera now being developed will incorporate a Canon-developed high-pixel-density CMOS sensor within the current EOS-series platform, which will realize compatibility with the Company’s diverse interchangeable EF lens lineup.3 The high-resolution images that the camera will be capable of producing will recreate the three-dimensional texture, feel and presence of subjects, making them appear as if they are really before one’s eyes. The camera will facilitate a level of resolution that is more than sufficient for enlarged poster-sized printout while also enabling images to be cropped and trimmed without sacrificing image resolution and clarity.

it takes canon around 3 years to develop a camera.

so 2018.

What he was saying is that there is no explicit indication canon is working on a 120MP full frame sensor. I guess his assumptions were either that anything in a 5D must be full frame, or that nothing prototyped at APS-H-ish will be scaled for production.

true. but canon's first "high resolution prototype" was a 50Mp APS-H sensor....


the prototypes and R&D are done on APS-H simply because that is the largest / cheapest sensor then can fabricate.

 

[3kramd5]

the prototypes and R&D are done on APS-H simply because that is the largest / cheapest sensor then can fabricate.

Agreed. I don't subscribe to the notion that the sensor they have shown is the sensor they will produce

 

[Loswr]

What he was saying is that there is no explicit indication canon is working on a 120MP full frame sensor. I guess his assumptions were either that anything in a 5D must be full frame, or that nothing prototyped at APS-H-ish will be scaled for production.

Dilbert doesn't seem to grasp actual, verifiable facts. To expect him to grasp implied facts is probably not reasonable.

 

[naylor83]

I know this is picky but I'm surprised that the mode dial looks like the old 5D3 and not like the newer 5Ds/R and 7D2, which I think looks a lot classier. Did anyone else notice that? Is there any doubt about the reliability of these pictures?

Can't say I did notice that. What difference are you even referring to? The pattern of the tiny gripping bumps around the side?

Well actually yes, the bumps are different but that's not what I meant. Below is a link to a good shot of a 5Ds/R mode dial. The bumps are in a diagonal pattern instead of rectilinear. But what I really meant was the top of the dial. On both the 5Ds/R and the 7D2, the letters are raised and there is no visible silver ring. On the 5D3, and these pics of the 5D4, it just looks like a round piece of metal that they printed the stuff on. Does it matter? Of course not. Yes, I think the 5Ds and 7D2 look better. But my bigger point was that it made me question the 5D4 photos because I assumed that once Canon changed something like that they would stay with the change.

Here's a good shot of the 5Ds dial:
https://reviewed-production.s3.amazonaws.com/attachment/9f6406b25ed74ca8/canon-eos-5ds-review-design-mode-dial-2.jpg

Ok, thanks for the explanation. You're right, the 7D2/5DS does look better.

 

[rrcphoto]

...
except canon is readying it's 120MP 5Ds camera based upon new tech.

120MP was on APS-H.

There is no basis to believe that Canon have anything in progress for a sensor with more than ~61MP FF.

did you forget the actual development announcement?

http://www.canon.com/news/2015/sep08e2.html

Featuring a resolution of approximately 120 effective megapixels, the SLR camera now being developed will incorporate a Canon-developed high-pixel-density CMOS sensor within the current EOS-series platform, which will realize compatibility with the Company’s diverse interchangeable EF lens lineup.3 The high-resolution images that the camera will be capable of producing will recreate the three-dimensional texture, feel and presence of subjects, making them appear as if they are really before one’s eyes. The camera will facilitate a level of resolution that is more than sufficient for enlarged poster-sized printout while also enabling images to be cropped and trimmed without sacrificing image resolution and clarity.

it takes canon around 3 years to develop a camera.

so 2018.

What he was saying is that there is no explicit indication canon is working on a 120MP full frame sensor. I guess his assumptions were either that anything in a 5D must be full frame, or that nothing prototyped at APS-H-ish will be scaled for production.

the picture also shows a 5D sized body....



I guess in some alternate universe canon could do it as an APS-H .. why on earth would they for landscape?

 

[naylor83]

Yeah I do wisht they would lead again for once! With their long cycles, and already starting to answer a year or many late, to only match. They are such followers. The old Canon is long gone .

While I understand how you feel (I would also have liked to see them keep up the innovation on the video features from the 5D II and forward), I think you're oversimplifying slightly.

While Canon do seem to keep many mainstream features out until the last minute, they have also introduced some pretty awesome features such as DPAF. Well, that's one anyway.

What I don't understand is that DPAF and touch screen are a match made in heaven for video. Canon could so easily create a killer video DSLR by just adding a few simple software features such as focus peaking, C-log, etc.

 

[ahsanford]

Yeah I do wisht they would lead again for once! With their long cycles, and already starting to answer a year or many late, to only match. They are such followers. The old Canon is long gone .

While I understand how you feel (I would also have liked to see them keep up the innovation on the video features from the 5D II and forward), I think you're oversimplifying slightly.

While Canon do seem to keep many mainstream features out until the last minute, they have also introduced some pretty awesome features such as DPAF. Well, that's one anyway.

What I don't understand is that DPAF and touch screen are a match made in heaven for video. Canon could so easily create a killer video DSLR by just adding a few simple software features such as focus peaking, C-log, etc.

+1. No, they don't staple 87 technologies into one rig (see A7R II) and hope you'll buy it based on a droolworthy spec sheet -- that's how you sell a stereo receiver or kitchen toaster. Canon gives you the stuff you didn't know you needed but now you can't live without, which is a different kind of innovation than 'more' / 'best' / 'first' / 'fastest':

Anti-flicker
Silent shutter
DPAF + touchscreen + video integration
Shutter lag options to reduce vibration on a high MP rig
The BR gunk on wide aperture primes

I actually look forward to what their 'we didn't see it coming' sort of innovations are than I do whether they can squeeze out 1/3 more of a stop in high ISO. I'm really excited at what this Dual Pixel RAW might do for us.

- A

 

[rrcphoto]

Yeah I do wisht they would lead again for once! With their long cycles, and already starting to answer a year or many late, to only match. They are such followers. The old Canon is long gone .

While I understand how you feel (I would also have liked to see them keep up the innovation on the video features from the 5D II and forward), I think you're oversimplifying slightly.

While Canon do seem to keep many mainstream features out until the last minute, they have also introduced some pretty awesome features such as DPAF. Well, that's one anyway.

What I don't understand is that DPAF and touch screen are a match made in heaven for video. Canon could so easily create a killer video DSLR by just adding a few simple software features such as focus peaking, C-log, etc.

+1. No, they don't staple 87 technologies into one rig (see A7R II) and hope you'll buy it based on a droolworthy spec sheet -- that's how you sell a stereo receiver or kitchen toaster. Canon gives you the stuff you didn't know you needed but now you can't live without, which is a different kind of innovation than 'more' / 'best' / 'first' / 'fastest':

Anti-flicker
Silent shutter
DPAF + touchscreen + video integration
Shutter lag options to reduce vibration on a high MP rig
The BR gunk on wide aperture primes

I actually look forward to what their 'we didn't see it coming' sort of innovations are than I do whether they can squeeze out 1/3 more of a stop in high ISO. I'm really excited at what this Dual Pixel RAW might do for us.

- A

Sony released a patch for the A7R II today.

to FIX STABILITY while taking PHOTOS.

in you know .. a camera that's been out a year?

there would be people with torches and pitchforks in front of Canon HQ .. if they had a camera body that was unstable taking freaking photos.

the EOS-m3 is a dogturd of a camera and at least it doesn't hang up on you while shooting pictures.

 

[ahsanford]

At 120MP, there are more MP than I could see benefit in having.

Nonsense! With 120 MP, you could go birding with a 24mm tilt-shift and just crop in until you could see yourself in their eyeballs. ;D

- A

 

[3kramd5]

Yeah I do wisht they would lead again for once! With their long cycles, and already starting to answer a year or many late, to only match. They are such followers. The old Canon is long gone .

While I understand how you feel (I would also have liked to see them keep up the innovation on the video features from the 5D II and forward), I think you're oversimplifying slightly.

While Canon do seem to keep many mainstream features out until the last minute, they have also introduced some pretty awesome features such as DPAF. Well, that's one anyway.

What I don't understand is that DPAF and touch screen are a match made in heaven for video. Canon could so easily create a killer video DSLR by just adding a few simple software features such as focus peaking, C-log, etc.

+1. No, they don't staple 87 technologies into one rig (see A7R II) and hope you'll buy it based on a droolworthy spec sheet -- that's how you sell a stereo receiver or kitchen toaster. Canon gives you the stuff you didn't know you needed but now you can't live without, which is a different kind of innovation than 'more' / 'best' / 'first' / 'fastest':

Anti-flicker
Silent shutter
DPAF + touchscreen + video integration
Shutter lag options to reduce vibration on a high MP rig
The BR gunk on wide aperture primes

I actually look forward to what their 'we didn't see it coming' sort of innovations are than I do whether they can squeeze out 1/3 more of a stop in high ISO. I'm really excited at what this Dual Pixel RAW might do for us.

- A

Sony released a patch for the A7R II today.

to FIX STABILITY while taking PHOTOS.

in you know .. a camera that's been out a year?

there would be people with torches and pitchforks in front of Canon HQ .. if they had a camera body that was unstable taking freaking photos.

the EOS-m3 is a dogturd of a camera and at least it doesn't hang up on you while shooting pictures.

Shrug, I haven't had any stability issues taking stills with the A7R2, and haven't updated firmware since they allowed uncompressed raw. I'm not sure what they're fixing but it hasn't affected me.