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[GMCPhotographics]

Now I'm curious how long we will have to wait for third-party battery grips for the 5D4...

Why? You'll spend >$3,000 on a camera and not $350 on a key accessory, seems like a daft way to 'save' a few dollars to me.........

If you are buying a secondhand 5D MkII or an older MkIII then I can understand the saving, but for a new release?

It's like the guys who moan about having to buy new RRS style L plates for their new camera. It usually makes me chuckle.

Except this is a discussion about 1st vs 3rd party. There are no 1st party L plates. If there were, a discussion about whether using canon's is better than using RRS's would be worthwhile.

No...that's your discussion. That ended...now it's moved on to a more general discussion about how mean photographers can be. They lay down piles of cash for a camera, then skimp on batteries, grips and plates. It's like the time I saw a photographer with a shiny new 1Dx and a 500mm f4...trying ot use a tripod he got free with a magazine....it didn't go well.

 

[afonsoclj]

I think I will definitely get one for certain jobs and as a backup for my 1Dx II.
The price is right. I like the LCD color adjustment. I wish my 1Dx had it.maybe a firmware update...
I also wished for a 24-105 2.8. I don't know why nobody can come up with one. Not even Sigma...

I would be happy with a 24-85 2.8...

 

[PureClassA]

Are you sure?

From https://www.adobe.com/showcase/casestudies/canon/casestudy.pdf (which is talking about Acrobat, but the quote's relevant):

I know Nikon were very secretive about their RAW format, but I didn't think the same was true of Canon. It wouldn't be wise, to be honest.

Eh, I believe that is regarding Adobe software integration into Canon's other major line of products. Their copiers and printers. Scan to Adobe PDF and so forth. I seem to recall reading that so far as RAW camera data goes, that's another division and issue altogether and they don't really share, although I could well be mistaken. Canon also doesn't share AF algorithms with third party glass makers like Sigma and Tamron either. Canon doesn't make PDF software and doesn't want to, so they work with Adobe where they need to

 

[PureClassA]

I think I will definitely get one for certain jobs and as a backup for my 1Dx II.
The price is right. I like the LCD color adjustment. I wish my 1Dx had it.maybe a firmware update...
I also wished for a 24-105 2.8. I don't know why nobody can come up with one. Not even Sigma...

I would be happy with a 24-85 2.8...

Look how big the 24-70L 2.8 II is. Look how much bigger NIkon's new same lens is with Nikon VR. Extending the focal range to 105 and keeping the 2.8 would not only make a much bigger lens but it would be around $3000. Not to mention they probably don't want to carry two almost identical lenses when the 24-70L II is one of the most popular pieces of L glass they produce. They probably realize they wouldn't sell enough to warrant the R&D and determined that focal length at f4 with IS and a lower price point would be a much better seller. Plus, a 24-105L 2.8 also eats into the sacred range of the 70-200L 2.8 II. That's why we have 24-70 & 70-200. The bigger the zoom range to try to create, the harder and more expensive it becomes to make peak optical performance throughout the zoom range

 

[clicstudio]

Now I'm curious how long we will have to wait for third-party battery grips for the 5D4...

Why? You'll spend >$3,000 on a camera and not $350 on a key accessory, seems like a daft way to 'save' a few dollars to me.........

If you are buying a secondhand 5D MkII or an older MkIII then I can understand the saving, but for a new release?

Exactly. Why have a great camera and a crappy chinese grip to save a few bucks. U can go cheap on batteries but not on essential hardware. IMO

 

[ahsanford]

I think I will definitely get one for certain jobs and as a backup for my 1Dx II.
The price is right. I like the LCD color adjustment. I wish my 1Dx had it.maybe a firmware update...
I also wished for a 24-105 2.8. I don't know why nobody can come up with one. Not even Sigma...

I would be happy with a 24-85 2.8...

Look how big the 24-70L 2.8 II is. Look how much bigger NIkon's new same lens is with Nikon VR. Extending the focal range to 105 and keeping the 2.8 would not only make a much bigger lens but it would be around $3000. Not to mention they probably don't want to carry two almost identical lenses when the 24-70L II is one of the most popular pieces of L glass they produce. They probably realize they wouldn't sell enough to warrant the R&D and determined that focal length at f4 with IS and a lower price point would be a much better seller.

Guys, there are two camps to this. The practical camp and the impractical camp. Neither is right, neither is wrong.

Practical camp: A standard zoom attached to the body should fit in a reasonably small bag, not weigh a ton, and be comfortable to shoot all day.

Impractical camp: If I can carry a 70-200 f/2.8 all day for longer needs, why can I have a standard zoom that big and heavy that does more than the vanilla 24-70 f/2.8? Give me a 24-70 F/2 or a 24-120 f/2.8! I'm no wuss, I can carry that all day.

Right now, there are far far far more practical camper than impractical campers. That's why you don't have this lens. Sigma might make one one day.

- A

 

[clicstudio]

I think I will definitely get one for certain jobs and as a backup for my 1Dx II.
The price is right. I like the LCD color adjustment. I wish my 1Dx had it.maybe a firmware update...
I also wished for a 24-105 2.8. I don't know why nobody can come up with one. Not even Sigma...

I would be happy with a 24-85 2.8...

I wouldn't mind paying $3000 for the most versatile lens you could own. I paid $2400 for the 24-70 2.8 II already.
Look how big the 24-70L 2.8 II is. Look how much bigger NIkon's new same lens is with Nikon VR. Extending the focal range to 105 and keeping the 2.8 would not only make a much bigger lens but it would be around $3000. Not to mention they probably don't want to carry two almost identical lenses when the 24-70L II is one of the most popular pieces of L glass they produce. They probably realize they wouldn't sell enough to warrant the R&D and determined that focal length at f4 with IS and a lower price point would be a much better seller. Plus, a 24-105L 2.8 also eats into the sacred range of the 70-200L 2.8 II. That's why we have 24-70 & 70-200. The bigger the zoom range to try to create, the harder and more expensive it becomes to make peak optical performance throughout the zoom range

 

[tr573]

Now I'm curious how long we will have to wait for third-party battery grips for the 5D4...

Why? You'll spend >$3,000 on a camera and not $350 on a key accessory, seems like a daft way to 'save' a few dollars to me.........

If you are buying a secondhand 5D MkII or an older MkIII then I can understand the saving, but for a new release?

Exactly. Why have a great camera and a crappy chinese grip to save a few bucks. U can go cheap on batteries but not on essential hardware. IMO

Not that I am anti chinese battery, because I am not. However, it seems a little silly to say people shouldn't skimp on a grip, but then say it's kosher to skimp on something that will literally catch fire and explode when it's made wrong.

 

[GMCPhotographics]

Canon did develop a 24-100mm f2.8 L lens many years ago. They made a few prototypes and handed them to some press guys, who unanimously said that it was too big and heavy. It was as big and heavy as the 70-200 f2.8 lenses they were using. So it didn't make it to market. I think the 24-105 f4 LIS is a nice compromise. It's very versatile and bright enough for most uses.

 

[unfocused]

...unless of course you create an entirely new split pixel sensor tech that can read out into a RAW file with split pixel data left uncombined.... Now LR and DxO programs have no idea what to do with it. Could they figure it out eventually? Perhaps. Is Canon going to give them the math? Not likely.

I'm not so sure about this. Canon knows the power of being the dominant player in the marketplace and they know Adobe is that dominant player when it comes to image processing. Canon gives away free software as a convenience, but they certainly cooperate and work with Adobe to be sure the company has what it needs to make its software work seamlessly with all of Canon's cameras. Having a new feature that doesn't play nice with Adobe would be a huge mistake.

The feature only works because of Canon's sensors. So, until competitors perfect DPAF sensors there is not that much risk in making the software available.

At a minimum, I would expect Canon to at least offer a plug-in for Lightroom and Camera Raw to access the features.

 

[StudentOfLight]

What is iSA?

 

[unfocused]

Now I'm curious how long we will have to wait for third-party battery grips for the 5D4...

Why? You'll spend >$3,000 on a camera and not $350 on a key accessory, seems like a daft way to 'save' a few dollars to me.........

If you are buying a secondhand 5D MkII or an older MkIII then I can understand the saving, but for a new release?

Exactly. Why have a great camera and a crappy chinese grip to save a few bucks. U can go cheap on batteries but not on essential hardware. IMO

Not that I am anti chinese battery, because I am not. However, it seems a little silly to say people shouldn't skimp on a grip, but then say it's kosher to skimp on something that will literally catch fire and explode when it's made wrong.

+1.

That's why I never buy off-brand batteries or grips. I may be too cautious, but when I have something that powers my camera, such as a battery or a grip, I want some assurance that it isn't going to fry the electronics inside the camera.

As far as when to buy the Canon grip: Grips tend to drop rapidly in price during the first year after release. Look at the Canon Price Watch charts for the 5DIII grip and you can see that it dropped a lot during the first year. And, while used grips aren't real common, if you watch the big dealers closely and are patient, you can pick up a used grip on occasion. I got one for my 5DIII about six months after getting the camera when Adorama happened to have a used one available. Came in the original box and was in perfect condition.

Now, when I bought the 1Dx II recently, I went ahead and got one with a grip.

 

[PureClassA]

...unless of course you create an entirely new split pixel sensor tech that can read out into a RAW file with split pixel data left uncombined.... Now LR and DxO programs have no idea what to do with it. Could they figure it out eventually? Perhaps. Is Canon going to give them the math? Not likely.

I'm not so sure about this. Canon knows the power of being the dominant player in the marketplace and they know Adobe is that dominant player when it comes to image processing. Canon gives away free software as a convenience, but they certainly cooperate and work with Adobe to be sure the company has what it needs to make its software work seamlessly with all of Canon's cameras. Having a new feature that doesn't play nice with Adobe would be a huge mistake.

The feature only works because of Canon's sensors. So, until competitors perfect DPAF sensors there is not that much risk in making the software available.

At a minimum, I would expect Canon to at least offer a plug-in for Lightroom and Camera Raw to access the features.

You may well be correct, and I certainly hope you are. But that would be a whole new set of buttons and faders for LR to implement in the software to manipulate DPAF RAW in the manner the rumors suggest just for specific Canon Cameras. Would be excellent if they came to terms though

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

"DIGIC 6+"

too bad since current DIGIC have produced waxy jpg and video, not sure it will match even the old a7R II quality for natural crisp video detail (look how hideous 5D3 video produced by DIGIC looks compared to the very good video you get from ML raw where you can get around DIGIC touching the image)

also probably means a 10bit firmware update might be impossible

also single digic robs it for chance for 60fps 4k etc.

and remember this camera has too look new 2 years from now and decent 4 years from now

hopefully it was just Canon purposely crippling 5D3 video and not all the old DIGIC chip's fault

 

[PureClassA]

What is iSA?

http://www.canon.com.hk/cpx/en/technical/pa_Overview_of_61-point_AF_System.html

 

[ahsanford]

As far as when to buy the Canon grip: Grips tend to drop rapidly in price during the first year after release. Look at the Canon Price Watch charts for the 5DIII grip and you can see that it dropped a lot during the first year. And, while used grips aren't real common, if you watch the big dealers closely and are patient, you can pick up a used grip on occasion. I got one for my 5DIII about six months after getting the camera when Adorama happened to have a used one available. Came in the original box and was in perfect condition.

+1

KEH has used first-party grips. I just bought a gently used 5D3 grip two months ago. I was a holdout because the vertical shooting need is somewhat rare for me to justify $275, but I decided I wasn't going in on the 5D4 and at $160 it made sense to grab one.

Works perfectly and has next to no signs of use. I bet it sat in its prior owner's cabinet 90%+ of the time.

- A

 

[PureClassA]

"DIGIC 6+"

too bad since current DIGIC have produced waxy jpg and video, not sure it will match even the old a7R II quality for natural crisp video detail (look how hideous 5D3 video produced by DIGIC looks compared to the very good video you get from ML raw where you can get around DIGIC touching the image)

also probably means a 10bit firmware update might be impossible

also single digic robs it for chance for 60fps 4k etc.

and remember this camera has too look new 2 years from now and decent 4 years from now

hopefully it was just Canon purposely crippling 5D3 video and not all the old DIGIC chip's fault

I've seen some 1DX2 Dual Digic 6+ HD and 4k video that looks excellent. Much nicer than what I've ever gotten on the 5D3

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

"Dual Pixel RAW"

had hope it would be more to do with DR but, as I sort of guess, by the name they gave it, nope

I hope this camera performs great, but I'm suspicious the DR won't match Exmor and the video quality won't match Sony (much less that of any Nikon D820 or possible A7R III next year) so for those finicky about that stuff, we'll see....

 

[ahsanford]

"DIGIC 6+"

too bad since current DIGIC have produced waxy jpg and video, not sure it will match even the old a7R II quality for natural crisp video detail (look how hideous 5D3 video produced by DIGIC looks compared to the very good video you get from ML raw where you can get around DIGIC touching the image)

also probably means a 10bit firmware update might be impossible

also single digic robs it for chance for 60fps 4k etc.

and remember this camera has too look new 2 years from now and decent 4 years from now

hopefully it was just Canon purposely crippling 5D3 video and not all the old DIGIC chip's fault

I still want an explanation why a 5DS and a 7D2 -- two completely different cameras with completely different needs -- are worthy of two chips while the 5D# line consistently gets only one.

The 7D2 needs two chips for enough FPS to chase wildlife.
The 5DS needs two chips to move enough data to not have a laughably low FPS
The jack of all trades / all-arounder 5D3 (and now 5D4) can get by with just one.

I fully admit I'm acting like a kid who didn't get as many toys as my siblings on Christmas. It's an emotional, irrational position to hold, but it feels like Canon (slightly) put profits over 5DS parity with this decision.

#5d3loyalist #butthurt

- A

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

"DIGIC 6+"

too bad since current DIGIC have produced waxy jpg and video, not sure it will match even the old a7R II quality for natural crisp video detail (look how hideous 5D3 video produced by DIGIC looks compared to the very good video you get from ML raw where you can get around DIGIC touching the image)

also probably means a 10bit firmware update might be impossible

also single digic robs it for chance for 60fps 4k etc.

and remember this camera has too look new 2 years from now and decent 4 years from now

hopefully it was just Canon purposely crippling 5D3 video and not all the old DIGIC chip's fault

I've seen some 1DX2 Dual Digic 6+ HD and 4k video that looks excellent. Much nicer than what I've ever gotten on the 5D3

I hope. To my eyes the old 1DC still looked a little soft/waxier than A7R II 4k video.