More Specifications & Images of EOS 5D Mark IV

[Deleted member 68328]

Does this dual pixel DPRAW mean it's only available when shooting in LiveView???
I'd like tone able to correct focus error when shooting fast primes through the OVF...

It's a dual pixel sensor. When using the OVF, the mirror flips up, shutter opens and light hits the sensor. It's just a question of recording the raw data from 30mp or the raw data with even less pre-processing from 60mp. What is recorded has nothing to do with which AF system was used to acquire focus.

Thanks for the clarification. It's true that when reading about dual pixel, I (wrongly) associated this to dual pixel AF, hence Live View...

Now let's see how it is implemented. I'd like DPP to still be able to produce an "AF-corrected" RAW file that I can later import back in Lightroom. And hopefully DPP will be able to "find" automatically what's the best correction to apply to have the highest sharpness possible based on where the focus point was. That would help the process be snappier

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Now I'm curious how long we will have to wait for third-party battery grips for the 5D4...

Why? You'll spend >$3,000 on a camera and not $350 on a key accessory, seems like a daft way to 'save' a few dollars to me.........

If you are buying a secondhand 5D MkII or an older MkIII then I can understand the saving, but for a new release?

Exactly. Why have a great camera and a crappy chinese grip to save a few bucks. U can go cheap on batteries but not on essential hardware. IMO

huh? cheap lithium batteries are one thing you want to avoid at all costs! they can catch fire, explode, etc.!

a bad grip doesn't work at worst (And the third party grip I had was better than the one from Canon in that it worked 100% fine AND had an extra trigger position and cost much less.)

 

[ahsanford]

I still want an explanation why a 5DS and a 7D2 -- two completely different cameras with completely different needs -- are worthy of two chips while the 5D# line consistently gets only one.

...

#5d3loyalist #butthurt

Or putting this another way, when a 5DS Mark II comes out in 2 years or so with 7-8 fps, why the hell would you still buy a 5D4 other than to keep file size down?

I think Canon should have gone more like 8-10 fps with the 5D4 to cement its longer term value proposition.

- A

 

[Ryananthony]

As far as when to buy the Canon grip: Grips tend to drop rapidly in price during the first year after release. Look at the Canon Price Watch charts for the 5DIII grip and you can see that it dropped a lot during the first year. And, while used grips aren't real common, if you watch the big dealers closely and are patient, you can pick up a used grip on occasion. I got one for my 5DIII about six months after getting the camera when Adorama happened to have a used one available. Came in the original box and was in perfect condition.

+1

KEH has used first-party grips. I just bought a gently used 5D3 grip two months ago. I was a holdout because the vertical shooting need is somewhat rare for me to justify $275, but I decided I wasn't going in on the 5D4 and at $160 it made sense to grab one.

Works perfectly and has next to no signs of use. I bet it sat in its prior owner's cabinet 90%+ of the time.

- A

I enjoy shooting wildlife most, and when it comes to a possible upgrade from my 5d3 I think I will prefer 50mp x 5fps over a 5d4 with 30mp and 7

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Being able to adjust the color temp on the LCD is pretty nice.

hmm if they gave a calibrated LCD that could be adjusted for color temp that would be very, very nice, for once it would be easy to dial in true colors in the field without needed to mess around with large external LCD bulk or trying to quickly wifi over to tablet and use custom software, etc.

 

[mclaren777]

As someone who shoots in silent continuous with his 5D3 at least 99% of the time, I find this whole "7 fps isn't enough" argument rather bizarre. :-\

 

[JoeDavid]

So if you still shoot in regular old RAW, you're fine! On the special occasion/shot when you really need/want that extra latitude, then you'll need to use DPP (at least for now). I doubt you'd want to shoot every shot in DP RAW anyway. That's almost 70MB per frame! That 5DSR territory.

Definitely. I have a 5Ds that only gets used when the extra resolution would matter. Most of the time I use the 5Dm3. I do my photoshop work on a fast computer with 32 GB RAM and SSD disks. It still takes quite awhile to process the 5Ds files. And then there is the storage issue of RAW + photoshop file + final output...

 

[unfocused]

As someone who shoots in silent continuous with his 5D3 at least 99% of the time, I find this whole "7 fps isn't enough" argument rather bizarre. :-\

I think the people who want more than 7 fps want to shoot either sports or birds in flight. Even at 10 fps on the 7DII it can be hit or miss (balls tend to move very fast, especially the little ones and you really need the ball in the shot for most sports pictures)

But, that's why they make the sports/action oriented cameras like the 7D and 1Dx.

On the other hand, for events (weddings, plays, concerts, meetings, etc.) the silent shooting can be critical. Given the crazy loud "silent" mode of the 1DX II, and that the 5D is more popular with the event crowd, I can see why Canon would emphasize silence over speed with the 5D IV.

 

[PureClassA]

Being able to adjust the color temp on the LCD is pretty nice.

hmm if they gave a calibrated LCD that could be adjusted for color temp that would be very, very nice, for once it would be easy to dial in true colors in the field without needed to mess around with large external LCD bulk or trying to quickly wifi over to tablet and use custom software, etc.

I will wish-list this one step further and hope you can calibrate it with an X1 monitor calibrator like I have at home :

 

[Sharlin]

Surely there's no "kick in"? The dual photosites are always there, it's just a question of whether you just sum their values pairwise like when doing a regular exposure or also store a difference or however it's going to work.

They are always there, but when you're using the 61pt AF system via the OVF, you're NOT using the focusing function of the DPAF. Those pixels may all be gathering light, but it's not like live view where the camera switches over to the the sensor based AF system. Question is will they need to achieve their OWN focus in order to yield the focus/bokeh latitude you want in post with DP RAW. If so, that has to be done in some Live View manner

There's nothing the pixels "have to do" once the shutter opens, and there's nothing they can do either. The focus is already wherever it is, there are no further focus commands sent to the lens. The photosites just record light like normal (that's all they can do!), but instead of the AF processor reading pairwise differences to adjust focus (like in DPAF) or the main imaging pipeline recording pairwise sums (like in normal exposure) the imaging processor saves the differences to the resulting DPRAW.

 

[justsomedude]

"Dual Pixel RAW"

had hope it would be more to do with DR but, as I sort of guess, by the name they gave it, nope

I hope this camera performs great, but I'm suspicious the DR won't match Exmor and the video quality won't match Sony (much less that of any Nikon D820 or possible A7R III next year) so for those finicky about that stuff, we'll see....

I'm admittedly a bit of a sensor/shadow nit, and with the descriptions of "Dual Pixel RAW" coming out, I am now also concerned about low-light/shadow-recovery performance compared with Exmor.

*sigh*

I'm hoping for the best, and waiting for some good image samples before I pre-order.

C'mon Canon... you really gotta get this one right!

 

[privatebydesign]

I still want an explanation why a 5DS and a 7D2 -- two completely different cameras with completely different needs -- are worthy of two chips while the 5D# line consistently gets only one.

...

#5d3loyalist #butthurt

Or putting this another way, when a 5DS Mark II comes out in 2 years or so with 7-8 fps, why the hell would you still buy a 5D4 other than to keep file size down?

I think Canon should have gone more like 8-10 fps with the 5D4 to cement its longer term value proposition.

- A

And that is why a short term narrow outlook doesn't rule at Canon. If they did that they would just move the upgrade cycle one iteration skipping down the line, they have never shown any signs of wanting to do that. If they put 10fps in the 5D MkIV who would buy a 5D MkV?

 

[ahsanford]

And that is why a short term narrow outlook doesn't rule at Canon. If they did that they would just move the upgrade cycle one iteration skipping down the line, they have never shown any signs of wanting to do that. If they put 10fps in the 5D MkIV who would buy a 5D MkV?

Must disagree. With every spec on a new rig, you can coast along or you can stuff bleeding edge performance in there. Few would argue that 7 fps isn't coasting on that spec -- one chip at 7 fps reeks of cost containment and prioritizing battery life over performance.

I think 10 fps is some lightning rod where some people shut down and argue that's too much / that's moving the bar too far, etc., I get that. But being only +2 fps over the 5DS certainly seems like the 5DS is sitting in first class while the 5D4 is in business class. I would have thought they'd offer more than that.

- A

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

I still want an explanation why a 5DS and a 7D2 -- two completely different cameras with completely different needs -- are worthy of two chips while the 5D# line consistently gets only one.

...

#5d3loyalist #butthurt

Or putting this another way, when a 5DS Mark II comes out in 2 years or so with 7-8 fps, why the hell would you still buy a 5D4 other than to keep file size down?

I think Canon should have gone more like 8-10 fps with the 5D4 to cement its longer term value proposition.

- A

yeah especially should the video not end up being as crisp as Sony and the DR not as good as everyone else (both remain to be seen though)

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

As someone who shoots in silent continuous with his 5D3 at least 99% of the time, I find this whole "7 fps isn't enough" argument rather bizarre. :-\

someone with McLaren in their username never heard of action photography?

 

[rrcphoto]

I still want an explanation why a 5DS and a 7D2 -- two completely different cameras with completely different needs -- are worthy of two chips while the 5D# line consistently gets only one.

...

#5d3loyalist #butthurt

Or putting this another way, when a 5DS Mark II comes out in 2 years or so with 7-8 fps, why the hell would you still buy a 5D4 other than to keep file size down?

I think Canon should have gone more like 8-10 fps with the 5D4 to cement its longer term value proposition.

- A

why don't you dream up scenarios even more?

why would the 5Ds be 7-8fps in it's next rendition, when it's most likely going up to 120MP?

 

[rrcphoto]

"Dual Pixel RAW"

had hope it would be more to do with DR but, as I sort of guess, by the name they gave it, nope

I hope this camera performs great, but I'm suspicious the DR won't match Exmor and the video quality won't match Sony (much less that of any Nikon D820 or possible A7R III next year) so for those finicky about that stuff, we'll see....

I'm admittedly a bit of a sensor/shadow nit, and with the descriptions of "Dual Pixel RAW" coming out, I am now also concerned about low-light/shadow-recovery performance compared with Exmor.

*sigh*

I'm hoping for the best, and waiting for some good image samples before I pre-order.

C'mon Canon... you really gotta get this one right!

why? apparently the 1DX Mark II is perfectly fine in that regard.

and why on earth would DPAF sensors worry you..

some people.. :

 

[3kramd5]

Now I'm curious how long we will have to wait for third-party battery grips for the 5D4...

Why? You'll spend >$3,000 on a camera and not $350 on a key accessory, seems like a daft way to 'save' a few dollars to me.........

If you are buying a secondhand 5D MkII or an older MkIII then I can understand the saving, but for a new release?

Exactly. Why have a great camera and a crappy chinese grip to save a few bucks. U can go cheap on batteries but not on essential hardware. IMO

I'd call the batteries more essential than the grip they're in.

 

[justsomedude]

"Dual Pixel RAW"

had hope it would be more to do with DR but, as I sort of guess, by the name they gave it, nope

I hope this camera performs great, but I'm suspicious the DR won't match Exmor and the video quality won't match Sony (much less that of any Nikon D820 or possible A7R III next year) so for those finicky about that stuff, we'll see....

I'm admittedly a bit of a sensor/shadow nit, and with the descriptions of "Dual Pixel RAW" coming out, I am now also concerned about low-light/shadow-recovery performance compared with Exmor.

*sigh*

I'm hoping for the best, and waiting for some good image samples before I pre-order.

C'mon Canon... you really gotta get this one right!

why? apparently the 1DX Mark II is perfectly fine in that regard.

This is not a 1DX2. And we still don't know what sensor the 5D4 is getting.

 

[rrcphoto]

"Dual Pixel RAW"

had hope it would be more to do with DR but, as I sort of guess, by the name they gave it, nope

I hope this camera performs great, but I'm suspicious the DR won't match Exmor and the video quality won't match Sony (much less that of any Nikon D820 or possible A7R III next year) so for those finicky about that stuff, we'll see....

I'm admittedly a bit of a sensor/shadow nit, and with the descriptions of "Dual Pixel RAW" coming out, I am now also concerned about low-light/shadow-recovery performance compared with Exmor.

*sigh*

I'm hoping for the best, and waiting for some good image samples before I pre-order.

C'mon Canon... you really gotta get this one right!

why? apparently the 1DX Mark II is perfectly fine in that regard.

This is not a 1DX2. And we still don't know what sensor the 5D4 is getting.

sure if you want to wear a tin foil hat and assume that for some reason the 80D improvements and the 1DX Mark II improvements vanish with the 5D mark IV even though it uses the same styled of sensor.

so there's almost a great deal of likelihood that the improvements seen on the 1Dx MarK II will carry forward.

to think otherwise, is pretty weird.