More Specifications & Images of EOS 5D Mark IV

[unfocused]

Only 7 FPS though? That's only 1 faster than the mark 3 (which is pretty damn slow) - Everything else looks good but 8-9 FPS would of made a nice difference.

Go buy 1dx then or 7d2... canon has given you options.

I liked the suggestion that the 5DIII at 6 fps is "pretty damn slow". It's a helluva lot faster than a thumb...

Yeah, but with this (http://mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/canon/fdresources/shared/windera/index.htm) I could shoot a blazingly fast 2 fps and 720 frames on one set of batteries. And, yes, I owned one of these.

 

[vscd]

Whatever the Specs will be... I will feel at home. All 5D, from the first to the last kept the ergonomics, keys and the way how they worked. That's nice to know before the cam even hits the market.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

sure if you want to wear a tin foil hat and assume that for some reason the 80D improvements and the 1DX Mark II improvements vanish with the 5D mark IV even though it uses the same styled of sensor.

so there's almost a great deal of likelihood that the improvements seen on the 1Dx MarK II will carry forward.

to think otherwise, is pretty weird.

it's precisely the 1DX2 and 80D that have us worried! they don't match Exmor even of a few years ago never mind currently or in the next year or two and more importantly, they just don't quite add enough to comfortably pull off lots of landscape stuff where you need more DR while the Exmor stuff now just manages enough

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

"Dual Pixel RAW"

had hope it would be more to do with DR but, as I sort of guess, by the name they gave it, nope

I hope this camera performs great, but I'm suspicious the DR won't match Exmor and the video quality won't match Sony (much less that of any Nikon D820 or possible A7R III next year) so for those finicky about that stuff, we'll see....

I'm admittedly a bit of a sensor/shadow nit, and with the descriptions of "Dual Pixel RAW" coming out, I am now also concerned about low-light/shadow-recovery performance compared with Exmor.

*sigh*

I'm hoping for the best, and waiting for some good image samples before I pre-order.

C'mon Canon... you really gotta get this one right!

why? apparently the 1DX Mark II is perfectly fine in that regard.

This is not a 1DX2. And we still don't know what sensor the 5D4 is getting.

But what about DPAF worries you about shadow recovery? Are they related in any way?

nothing, a few had just hope the talk about dual pixel RAW might mean something else (although using the term "dual pixel" did make it doubtful)

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

"Dual Pixel RAW"

had hope it would be more to do with DR but, as I sort of guess, by the name they gave it, nope

I hope this camera performs great, but I'm suspicious the DR won't match Exmor and the video quality won't match Sony (much less that of any Nikon D820 or possible A7R III next year) so for those finicky about that stuff, we'll see....

I'm admittedly a bit of a sensor/shadow nit, and with the descriptions of "Dual Pixel RAW" coming out, I am now also concerned about low-light/shadow-recovery performance compared with Exmor.

*sigh*

I'm hoping for the best, and waiting for some good image samples before I pre-order.

C'mon Canon... you really gotta get this one right!

why? apparently the 1DX Mark II is perfectly fine in that regard.

This is not a 1DX2. And we still don't know what sensor the 5D4 is getting.

But what about DPAF worries you about shadow recovery? Are they related in any way?

I'm not worried about DPAF as it relates to shadow recovery. That was RRCPHOTO misunderstanding the previous comments by LetTheRightLensIn and myself. We (and I'm sure others) had hoped that the DPAF was a dual-ISO type technology, just hardware based, as that is what some of the initial leaks interpreted.

However, we now know that DPAF has nothing to do with dynamic range at all, so all of our hopes for some dramatic DR improvement now rest solely on the sensor alone. As to whether or not the 5D4 can match the performance of the Exmor, is all we're getting at.

technically Dual ISO would do nothing for a sensor that was at, or close to being ISO invariant.

so you're barking up the wrong tree.

show us an ISO invariant sensor from Canon, even with on chip ADC the 80D and 1DX2 still don't manage it

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Back to the original point, once the mirror and curtain are up and the sensor is exposed, will the live view focusing system of the sensor have to engage in order to use this new feature? My bet is yes. So it will probably be Live View function ONLY if you want DP RAW stills

Why? I highly doubt that. That doesn't make sense.

 

[JohnUSA]

Only 7 FPS though? That's only 1 faster than the mark 3 (which is pretty damn slow) - Everything else looks good but 8-9 FPS would of made a nice difference.

Go buy 1dx then or 7d2... canon has given you options.

I liked the suggestion that the 5DIII at 6 fps is "pretty damn slow". It's a helluva lot faster than a thumb...

Looks like the Nikon F3... one of my least favorite cameras as the film advance lever's travel was huge!

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

People were saying that it could be used for a better version of Magic Lantern's Dual ISO mode, and some people appear disappointed that it is the above instead. But we should note that the camera will still output the Dual Pixel RAW files, and while Canon's DPP software may only be able to edit a bokeh shift, ghosting reduction and image micro-adjustment, Adobe or others may release software to perform dual ISO. Hopefully, anyway.

the problem is you need to read each part with both ISOs if you want to get better DR and not have other major trade offs and unless the sensor has a special design it can't do that

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Only 7 FPS though? That's only 1 faster than the mark 3 (which is pretty damn slow) - Everything else looks good but 8-9 FPS would of made a nice difference.

#firstworldproblems

dude, yawn

comment doesn't even make sense either, even 1fps vs 2fps would be a 1st world problem you do realize, no?


not that 7fps would be that bad, but since I bet it won't deliver DR of competitors, nor the video quality (of course it still remains to be seen) then 7fps does look a bit worse for the money

 

[privatebydesign]

Only 7 FPS though? That's only 1 faster than the mark 3 (which is pretty damn slow) - Everything else looks good but 8-9 FPS would of made a nice difference.

Go buy 1dx then or 7d2... canon has given you options.

I liked the suggestion that the 5DIII at 6 fps is "pretty damn slow". It's a helluva lot faster than a thumb...

Yeah, but with this (http://mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/canon/fdresources/shared/windera/index.htm) I could shoot a blazingly fast 2 fps and 720 frames on one set of batteries. And, yes, I owned one of these.

I still do. Bought it new in '79.

 

[Loswr]

Only 7 FPS though? That's only 1 faster than the mark 3 (which is pretty damn slow) - Everything else looks good but 8-9 FPS would of made a nice difference.

#firstworldproblems

dude, at that point why not just make it 1fps? it's a first world problem to complain about that too.
anyway, carry on bowing down and kissing the feet of Canon and rolling around in the ground before the all wonderful, perfect Canon

#sillystupidhyperbole

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Only 7 FPS though? That's only 1 faster than the mark 3 (which is pretty damn slow) - Everything else looks good but 8-9 FPS would of made a nice difference.

#firstworldproblems

dude, at that point why not just make it 1fps? it's a first world problem to complain about that too.
anyway, carry on bowing down and kissing the feet of Canon and rolling around in the ground before the all wonderful, perfect Canon

#sillystupidhyperbole

yes, at least you have now put the proper hash-tag to your original comment

 

[scyrene]

sure if you want to wear a tin foil hat and assume that for some reason the 80D improvements and the 1DX Mark II improvements vanish with the 5D mark IV even though it uses the same styled of sensor.

so there's almost a great deal of likelihood that the improvements seen on the 1Dx MarK II will carry forward.

to think otherwise, is pretty weird.

it's precisely the 1DX2 and 80D that have us worried! they don't match Exmor even of a few years ago never mind currently or in the next year or two and more importantly, they just don't quite add enough to comfortably pull off lots of landscape stuff where you need more DR while the Exmor stuff now just manages enough

The 1DxII has more DR at base ISO than the D5, and that is its only direct competitor. So other cameras have more - they aren't in the same category, so they aren't really relevant.

Given your comments here are relentlessly negative, why not just give up and accept the 5D4 isn't for you (whatever they do, it won't be enough), and buy a D810 or its successor?

 

[Jack Douglas]

Only 7 FPS though? That's only 1 faster than the mark 3 (which is pretty damn slow) - Everything else looks good but 8-9 FPS would of made a nice difference.

Go buy 1dx then or 7d2... canon has given you options.

I liked the suggestion that the 5DIII at 6 fps is "pretty damn slow". It's a helluva lot faster than a thumb...

Yeah, but with this (http://mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/canon/fdresources/shared/windera/index.htm) I could shoot a blazingly fast 2 fps and 720 frames on one set of batteries. And, yes, I owned one of these.

I still do. Bought it new in '79.

When that power winder came out I bought one and designed and built an adapter so it could drive my F1 (could barely afford just the camera) and fire the shutter using the adapter's solenoid. It was functional and only required the further addition of remote solenoid circuitry and then a house building project started, followed by kids, followed by a classic car hobby gone wild and there it sits in a drawer. A testament to what, I'm not sure other than beware life passes you by while you're living it!

Jack

 

[Loswr]

Only 7 FPS though? That's only 1 faster than the mark 3 (which is pretty damn slow) - Everything else looks good but 8-9 FPS would of made a nice difference.

#firstworldproblems

dude, at that point why not just make it 1fps? it's a first world problem to complain about that too.
anyway, carry on bowing down and kissing the feet of Canon and rolling around in the ground before the all wonderful, perfect Canon

#sillystupidhyperbole

yes, at least you have now put the proper hash-tag to your original comment

Evidently you subscribe to the theories that manufacturers should not differentiate products based on their market research and that there's no cost to add features.

#businessacumenofabowlingball

 

[Jack Douglas]

I guess my wish would be not exactly tied to the performance of the 5D4 or Canon. My wish would be that the dodo birds would find some other forum where they would roost and chirp. At least there are only a few more days of this to endure!

Jack

 

[LoneRider]

dude, yawn

comment doesn't even make sense either, even 1fps vs 2fps would be a 1st world problem you do realize, no?


not that 7fps would be that bad, but since I bet it won't deliver DR of competitors, nor the video quality (of course it still remains to be seen) then 7fps does look a bit worse for the money

Eck, some of these guys/gals are just trying to sandbag us, add some doubt in our minds, so they can sneak in an get their pre-order in before we can

 

[3kramd5]

"Dual Pixel RAW"

had hope it would be more to do with DR but, as I sort of guess, by the name they gave it, nope

I hope this camera performs great, but I'm suspicious the DR won't match Exmor and the video quality won't match Sony (much less that of any Nikon D820 or possible A7R III next year) so for those finicky about that stuff, we'll see....

I'm admittedly a bit of a sensor/shadow nit, and with the descriptions of "Dual Pixel RAW" coming out, I am now also concerned about low-light/shadow-recovery performance compared with Exmor.

*sigh*

I'm hoping for the best, and waiting for some good image samples before I pre-order.

C'mon Canon... you really gotta get this one right!

why? apparently the 1DX Mark II is perfectly fine in that regard.

This is not a 1DX2. And we still don't know what sensor the 5D4 is getting.

But what about DPAF worries you about shadow recovery? Are they related in any way?

nothing, a few had just hope the talk about dual pixel RAW might mean something else (although using the term "dual pixel" did make it doubtful)

At the risk of getting my hopes up over unconfirmed capabilities, if Canon T Engineer called me up as said "two options: 1. we increase the DR of your 5D by 2EV, or 2. we enable you to adjust the focus in post by up to approximately an eyelash's length, I'd jump at the second option. Jump. For my usage, that would save far more photos than would be made possible by the additional range.

 

[gregory4000]

Does anybody who supports Canon notice that why Canon neglected to state the DR of the camera,
On the C300 they boasted 15 stops. I sold my Sony A7rII to purchase a home and I'm waiting for something from Canon as a replacement that will have a Sony DR. With Canon's well established R&D I'm expecting by now 14 -15 stops of DR. That fact that its not mentioned concerns me that little improvement has been made.
Hopefully in a couple of weeks I will be pleasantly surprised with good news in this spec.

 

[3kramd5]

Does anybody who supports Canon notice that why Canon neglected to state the DR of the camera,
On the C300 they boasted 15 stops. I sold my Sony A7rII to purchase a home and I'm waiting for something from Canon as a replacement that will have a Sony DR. With Canon's well established R&D I'm expecting by now 14 -15 stops of DR. That fact that its not mentioned concerns me that little improvement has been made.
Hopefully in a couple of weeks I will be pleasantly surprised with good news in this spec.

Outside that camera have they ever listed DR anywhere?