More Specifications & Images of EOS 5D Mark IV

[pwp]

I'm still using a Mark 1 and it's been driving me mad for years.

If the rumoured specs are right, the Mark 4 will have every feature that I've been hoping for. As long as the IQ is at least as good as the Mark 3, I'm all in.

Upgrading from a 5D MkI will blow your socks off, regardless of the rumoured specs.

-pw

 

[IglooEater]

I'm eager to know what the dual pixel in camera raw means. I can't believe it records the pixels all separately in a 60mp raw file- at 7fps it would be 30% more data flow than the 1dx II.
Anyone wiser than me on this issue? maybe I'm missing something obvious?

 

[Loswr]

That expression Google translated as "ever possible to no post-processing of the adjustment dual pixel RAW file" is "これまでに無い後処理の調整が可能なデュアルピクセルRAWファイル" which might be better translated as "Editable Dual Pixel RAW files (a feature which was previously unavailable up to now)"

Still not completely clear on what this means, but I wonder if this is the new feature they're talking about. It claims it's a never before done feature.

I think this just refers to in-camera RAW editing.

With Canon since 5DIII...

Sort of. What about cropping and leveling?

 

[Talley]

I'm eager to know what the dual pixel in camera raw means. I can't believe it records the pixels all separately in a 60mp raw file- at 7fps it would be 30% more data flow than the 1dx II.
Anyone wiser than me on this issue? maybe I'm missing something obvious?

Probably be only supported in one shot mode. Probably be still 30mp but you get dynamic range from basically TWO shots at the same exact time then combined into one ALL during the raw stage.

I think it's Canons way for the ML split ISO thingy. One pixel will be at ISO 400 and one will be at say 1600 to give you two stops more dynamic range on shadows albiet at the cost of a slightly bit more noise... or perhaps ISO 100 on one pixel and 400 on another, or even 800 on another.

I bet you anything this is what it is and it'll be a game changer for sure. Maybe kind of gimmicky but effective. Call in IN CAMERA HDR on steroids... because it'll be a single shot HDR.

 

[naylor83]

ut I think we can trust Canon to underdeliver on its potential.

Having waited eagerly for the 7D2 to come out and the discussions around its delay, my reading is quite different in that Canon will only release a function when they know it works. There is a difference between what is technically possible and what is reliable.
I think this is also why their teleconverters actively block AF once the aperture reaches f8/f11 (depending on the model) and why they do not make ridiculous claims like Nikon about ISO 3,000,000.

I'm sure there is something to that, but the fact that they didn't bother to work out how to do wifi and touch screens in both the 5D3 and the 7D2 was mind-blowingly annoying, limiting two otherwise brilliant cameras.

 

[Diko]

But the inclusion of WiFi, touchscreen, Dual-Pixel, a 30mp sensor with on chip ADC and lower read noise, and 4K are sure to make this...

... my next general purpose camera.

That expression Google translated as "ever possible to no post-processing of the adjustment dual pixel RAW file" is "これまでに無い後処理の調整が可能なデュアルピクセルRAWファイル" which might be better translated as "Editable Dual Pixel RAW files (a feature which was previously unavailable up to now)"

Still not completely clear on what this means, but I wonder if this is the new feature they're talking about. It claims it's a never before done feature.

Could it be: A set of two modes. Either 30 MP High DR RAW file mode and 60 MP Low/regular DR RAW file mode.

Where by the next Canon 5Ds m2 when out to have 50 MP High DR RAW file mode and 30 MP Low/regular DR RAW file mode. I know - things will not be that simple, but I can always hope.

I am more interested if ML could utilize this new tech.... whatever it is ;-)

Getting exited, if they just confirm it's 1080p120 and not 720p120....

I am afraid that HD is not FullHD ergo it would be 720p120. But hey ML might fix that ;-)

No tilty flippy. No sale. Damn you Canon...

Wait for 6D mark II...

"Tilty flippy" is especially nice for photojournalism in crowds. I miss that feature for sure.

On the other hand I am skeptic about the touchscreen. Haven't shot anything so far on a DSLR with touchscreen and not sure (in case that the extra knob on the rear is really that new locking mechanism) if would suit me good enough.

There would be too few distinguishing differences between a 5dmk4 and 6dmk2. Why would anyone pay twice as much for a 5dmk4 just for 4k video and better build quality?

So far from what I recall 6dmk2 won't be that cheap as the last one and it will be more feature-rich[CR2] and those feature won't be bad at all.

People keep wondering about that new button on the back. Wasn't this answered a while ago here on CR...

"Other ergonomic changes, such as a new locking switch on the rear of the camera."

True. Thanks, m8.

Last thoughts: I am so happy I skipped the 5Dm3. That is why I said Canon should have brought most of those features (except for the advanced CMOS feautures) a generation ago. Yes WiFi included. They announced they solved the wi-fi issue 6 months after 5Dm3.

Now with that ISO, WiFi, and 30MPs I can't allow myself to skip this time.

 

[taaviholtta]

I'm eager to know what the dual pixel in camera raw means. I can't believe it records the pixels all separately in a 60mp raw file- at 7fps it would be 30% more data flow than the 1dx II.
Anyone wiser than me on this issue? maybe I'm missing something obvious?

I'm curious to know that as well. Could there be possibility that sensor works something like Nokia's PureView camera system. Sensor would create abigger pixel from smaller ones....kinda virtual pixel but bigger than physical ones in a sensor?

 

[rcarca]

Has anyone done a full comparison of 5Dii, 5Diii and 5Div specs in a table? It would be interesting to see...

I acknowledge my ignorance of the finer details - but very curious to understand more about the dual pixel stuff!

From what I have seen, it looks exciting to me. Someone said they "need" it. I don't "need" it, but I do "want" it badly! Now I "need" to find the money...

 

[Diko]

I'm eager to know what the dual pixel in camera raw means. I can't believe it records the pixels all separately in a 60mp raw file- at 7fps it would be 30% more data flow than the 1dx II.
Anyone wiser than me on this issue? maybe I'm missing something obvious?

I'm curious to know that as well. Could there be possibility that sensor works something like Nokia's PureView camera system. Sensor would create abigger pixel from smaller ones....kinda virtual pixel but bigger than physical ones in a sensor?

1Dx M2 = Dual DIGIC 6+
5D M4 = Single DIGIC 7 (CR2) ;-)

Make your own conclusions ;-)

Has anyone done a full comparison of 5Dii, 5Diii and 5Div specs in a table? It would be interesting to see...

I acknowledge my ignorance of the finer details - but very curious to understand more about the dual pixel stuff!

From what I have seen, it looks exciting to me. Someone said they "need" it. I don't "need" it, but I do "want" it badly! Now I "need" to find the money...

Don't even bother. All 5D M3 owners would have to commit mass group suicide, cause it will become obvious that the 5D M3 is nothing more than the usual "milking the cow" scam.

 

[nightscape123]

So the question I have is, can the potential "dual ISO" functionality of the dual pixels be used instead as a low noise mode? Instead of shooting the dual pixels at 2 different ISOs, can you shoot them instead at the same ISO and reduce the noise?

 

[ThePhotoBrewery]

;D Great News for me it is everything I wished for my next camera since I'm using 6D right now except there is no flip out screen

- 7 FPS with better autofocus
- 4K with DPAF
- Touch screen
- Nice they added a *** & Wifi at least I'm not gonna lose it :
- Dual Card Slots
- Timelapse

Anything else is welcome addition.
now I'm waiting for the price

Same here. Coming from the 6D, this camera offers all I want and need for what I do. Really looking forward to it now.

 

[jchung]

Dual Pixel huh? Fuji's patent expired? They did dual pixels in the sensor in their S3 Pro. All Canon needs to do now is make then octagonal pixels.

 

[Loswr]

That expression Google translated as "ever possible to no post-processing of the adjustment dual pixel RAW file" is "これまでに無い後処理の調整が可能なデュアルピクセルRAWファイル" which might be better translated as "Editable Dual Pixel RAW files (a feature which was previously unavailable up to now)"

Still not completely clear on what this means, but I wonder if this is the new feature they're talking about. It claims it's a never before done feature.

Could it be: A set of two modes. Either 30 MP High DR RAW file mode and 60 MP Low/regular DR RAW file mode.

A 60 MP mode that produces images with a 3:1 aspect ratio. Pano mode?

 

[smorgo]

Upgrading from a 5D MkI will blow your socks off, regardless of the rumoured specs.

-pw

Absolutely. I've nearly jumped for the Mark 3 on numerous occasions, but I really wanted to hold out for WiFi tethering. No more excuses (and funds are in the bank).

 

[mikekx102]

That expression Google translated as "ever possible to no post-processing of the adjustment dual pixel RAW file" is "これまでに無い後処理の調整が可能なデュアルピクセルRAWファイル" which might be better translated as "Editable Dual Pixel RAW files (a feature which was previously unavailable up to now)"

Still not completely clear on what this means, but I wonder if this is the new feature they're talking about. It claims it's a never before done feature.

Could it be: A set of two modes. Either 30 MP High DR RAW file mode and 60 MP Low/regular DR RAW file mode.

A 60 MP mode that produces images with a 3:1 aspect ratio. Pano mode?

Well hang on, wouldn't it be 3:1, but with pixels that are twice as high as they are wide (ie. 3:1 pixel ratio, but 3:2 total area ratio)

 

[Local Hero]

You guys have a lot more faith in Canon then me.

I bet the dual pixel thing is going to be at best something mildly interesting.

It's crazy to hope for something really revolutionary from Canon.

They have proven again and again that it just isn't their style.

 

[Talley]

I've seen all I need to see.

Where is the PRE-ORDER button?

I'd love to know about the F8 auto focus and how many points it's spread across as well as will this camera feature -4EV focusing?

 

[Loswr]

That expression Google translated as "ever possible to no post-processing of the adjustment dual pixel RAW file" is "これまでに無い後処理の調整が可能なデュアルピクセルRAWファイル" which might be better translated as "Editable Dual Pixel RAW files (a feature which was previously unavailable up to now)"

Still not completely clear on what this means, but I wonder if this is the new feature they're talking about. It claims it's a never before done feature.

Could it be: A set of two modes. Either 30 MP High DR RAW file mode and 60 MP Low/regular DR RAW file mode.

A 60 MP mode that produces images with a 3:1 aspect ratio. Pano mode?

Well hang on, wouldn't it be 3:1, but with pixels that are twice as high as they are wide (ie. 3:1 pixel ratio, but 3:2 total area ratio)

Sure, that would work great on all of those devices with displays they have rectangular pixels. How many of those do you have?

 

[hne]

That expression Google translated as "ever possible to no post-processing of the adjustment dual pixel RAW file" is "これまでに無い後処理の調整が可能なデュアルピクセルRAWファイル" which might be better translated as "Editable Dual Pixel RAW files (a feature which was previously unavailable up to now)"

Still not completely clear on what this means, but I wonder if this is the new feature they're talking about. It claims it's a never before done feature.

Could it be: A set of two modes. Either 30 MP High DR RAW file mode and 60 MP Low/regular DR RAW file mode.

A 60 MP mode that produces images with a 3:1 aspect ratio. Pano mode?

Well hang on, wouldn't it be 3:1, but with pixels that are twice as high as they are wide (ie. 3:1 pixel ratio, but 3:2 total area ratio)

Sure, that would work great on all of those devices with displays they have rectangular pixels. How many of those do you have?

We all have displays with pixels arranged in a rectangular grid. Rectangular with all sides equally long for that matter. But you don't have to have PAR (pixel aspect ratio) match DAR (display aspect ratio). If you have a DVD player hooked up to a TV manufactured in the last 5 years you're displaying non-square pixels on a square-pixel display.

Up until ITU Rec. 709 became the default spec to build consumer sets against, this was all we had for TV. TV pixel aspect ratio has traditionally (Rec 601) been 10:11 for 480i signals and 59:54 for 567i. For 4:3 display aspect ratio. Because of luma channel transmission bandwidth reasons. It wasn't until the world finally managed to agree on the HD specs that we got square pixels outside of the computer domain.

 

[Talley]

My take is that canon will have a simple menu option labeled something like "Dynamic Range Boost" mode which will limit the camera to 3FPS like you said but that the dual pixel will split ISO capabilities and will provide two stops more dynamic range in a single capture. Single image HDR style photo.