More Specifications & Images of EOS 5D Mark IV
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Talley said:
Respectfully disagree. This dual pixel stuff (if it's the dual-ISO-like-thing we think it might be) could be a game changer for latitude in RAW files. I'm no wedding photog, but this might be useful with events under awnings / tents where it's dim inside and glaringly blown out outside.
The 5D# line -- as much as is a do-everything camera -- is Canon's go-to wedding line. I defer to the wedding guys here, but were I CanonGuy, I'd sit and wait for the announcement, testing, reviews, etc. I'd be stunned if they didn't put in some sort of 'killer app' for the wedding crowd (like the 5D3 silent shutter was).
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vishaltpt said:
The frustration and the people with just a few posts coming in and creating an account to voice their opinions like myself is mainly due to the fact that we all have quite an investment in Canon glass while we are stuck with non-native solutions because the native solution provider can't deliver..
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Modified lever
I suspect that the modified lever on the picture may be modified in order so that people can advance AND go back with it. The one problem with the 7D2 is that the lever only allows you to advance forward.
I suspect that the modified lever on the picture may be modified in order so that people can advance AND go back with it. The one problem with the 7D2 is that the lever only allows you to advance forward.
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jayphotoworks said:
Jayphotoworks, you look to have embedded commentary in someone else's quote (vishalpt's post didn't have all that context), so I'll reply to you:
How does an OVF have focus peaking or zebras? It's an SLR, and by definition, you're looking through an optical pathway through the lens that precludes the possibility for EVF-like functionality. (Unless you wanted some mythical OVF/EVF hybrid)
Or were you referring to how the rig will operate as a video camera in LiveView? If so, how do you know that it does / does not have zebras/peaking from a spec list? That's not a bullet point sort of feature you'd see at this stage.
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We know from the 1DX2 and the 80D, that the 5D4 is not going to have less than 13 stops of DR. Just no way about it. Now, whether it will have the same, slightly less, slightly more than those two cameras remains to be seen.
But let us use the 13 stops as a base point. With Dual-Pixel Raw, (this could very well be the DSLR first that was rumored), how much DR can be added to the final result? 1.5 - 2 stops?
Thus, it is entirely plausible that Canon might hit that "15 stops" of DR they were promising they would soon achieve. I don't believe they were specifically referring to the cinema line.
For high DR scenes, having some setbacks to achieve this method of DR increase is reasonable. Generally, landscape and other types don't need high FPS, and by default require a fair amount of post processing. That is, anyone who actually cares about, knows about or needs high DR, is nearly 99% guaranteed to be post-processing images. Even the mighty Exmor with 14.5 stops produces crap images out of camera until you go in and post process to take advantage of the DR.
Based on the rumored specs, this camera sounds great!!! I personally don't care about video, so its alleged shortcomings there don't bother me one bit. However, I would add - that DPAF in and of itself is probably worth the lower video resolution and weaker codec for a lot of video applications, because if you can't focus, or focus smoothly - what good is 4K? What good is the highest bit rates? Nothing. When set stationary, or connected to a shoulder rig system - this is where all the video guys whine about the 5D series not having XY and Z. But that's because they want a poor man's cinema setup.
Anyway, Canon will probably merge the 5DS and 5DSR the same way Nikon did because the R version outsells by quite a bit, and all that camera needs is the newer sensor tech and it will be a killer high res camera with plenty of DR and decreased shadow noise.
It will be interesting to see what Nikon pulls out with the D820/D850/D900 or whatever it will be called. Since they use Sony sensors, it is clear it won't be revolutionary. It won't be the huge leap that was seen with the D810. 42mp, similar DR and noise performance, and probably just an increase in FPS, say 6. I doubt they'll hit 7 in a non-cropped mode. Like Canon, they are maxed out on AF system for the time being and maxed out on most bells and whistles.
Given that, I think the 5D4 is well positioned to compete against even the next update from Nikon.
However, if Canon plans a 5 year update cycle, then Nikon will update twice in that time, their next gen after that will surely surpass the 5D4.
For me, the 6D2 is the most anticipated camera. They said it is going upmarket. But as always, without dual-card slots, it is not an option for me.
But let us use the 13 stops as a base point. With Dual-Pixel Raw, (this could very well be the DSLR first that was rumored), how much DR can be added to the final result? 1.5 - 2 stops?
Thus, it is entirely plausible that Canon might hit that "15 stops" of DR they were promising they would soon achieve. I don't believe they were specifically referring to the cinema line.
For high DR scenes, having some setbacks to achieve this method of DR increase is reasonable. Generally, landscape and other types don't need high FPS, and by default require a fair amount of post processing. That is, anyone who actually cares about, knows about or needs high DR, is nearly 99% guaranteed to be post-processing images. Even the mighty Exmor with 14.5 stops produces crap images out of camera until you go in and post process to take advantage of the DR.
Based on the rumored specs, this camera sounds great!!! I personally don't care about video, so its alleged shortcomings there don't bother me one bit. However, I would add - that DPAF in and of itself is probably worth the lower video resolution and weaker codec for a lot of video applications, because if you can't focus, or focus smoothly - what good is 4K? What good is the highest bit rates? Nothing. When set stationary, or connected to a shoulder rig system - this is where all the video guys whine about the 5D series not having XY and Z. But that's because they want a poor man's cinema setup.
Anyway, Canon will probably merge the 5DS and 5DSR the same way Nikon did because the R version outsells by quite a bit, and all that camera needs is the newer sensor tech and it will be a killer high res camera with plenty of DR and decreased shadow noise.
It will be interesting to see what Nikon pulls out with the D820/D850/D900 or whatever it will be called. Since they use Sony sensors, it is clear it won't be revolutionary. It won't be the huge leap that was seen with the D810. 42mp, similar DR and noise performance, and probably just an increase in FPS, say 6. I doubt they'll hit 7 in a non-cropped mode. Like Canon, they are maxed out on AF system for the time being and maxed out on most bells and whistles.
Given that, I think the 5D4 is well positioned to compete against even the next update from Nikon.
However, if Canon plans a 5 year update cycle, then Nikon will update twice in that time, their next gen after that will surely surpass the 5D4.
For me, the 6D2 is the most anticipated camera. They said it is going upmarket. But as always, without dual-card slots, it is not an option for me.
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jayphotoworks said:
what you are responding to, the original poster doesn't even know if half that stuff is there or not.
2. so what? it's a stills camera that shoots video.
3. is idiotic.
4. A7S2 isn't broadcast quality codec either. h.264 100mps bitrate is not broadcast quality.
5. he doesn't know that and not reported either way.
6. he doesn't know that and not reported either way.
7. is moronic and inaccurate and not reported either way.
8. well duh.
9. he doesn't know that either way.
10. he doesn't know that either way.
so it's a bunch of bitching base upon right now, his imagination.
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K said:
Nice post -- appreciated it.
One comment, from the snippet I quoted above: this might only be true of the D750 follow up, not the D810 follow up. If Nikon's D820 (or D900?) drops a 50+ MP rig that somehow retains it's EXMOR super DR goodness and solid high ISO performance, most of the Canon faithful will again cry foul that they cannot have it all: the 5DSR will be behind in DR and high ISO, and the 5D4 will be behind in detail.
So as much as I am not the 'grass is greener elsewhere' sort of guy -- I'm super happy with Canon for reasons other than the sensor -- I'm not convinced that one FF rig that hits its marks will put to bed the general problem of 'sensor unrest'.
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except canon is readying it's 120MP 5Ds camera based upon new tech.ahsanford said:K said:
Nice post -- appreciated it.
One comment, from the snippet I quoted above: this might only be true of the D750 follow up, not the D810 follow up. If Nikon's D820 (or D900?) drops a 50+ MP rig that somehow retains it's EXMOR super DR goodness and solid high ISO performance, most of the Canon faithful will again cry foul that they cannot have it all: the 5DSR will be behind in DR and high ISO, and the 5D4 will be behind in detail.
So as much as I am not the 'grass is greener elsewhere' sort of guy -- I'm super happy with Canon for reasons other than the sensor -- I'm not convinced that one FF rig that hits its marks will put to bed the general problem of 'sensor unrest'.
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jayphotoworks said:
Can't deliver what? Oh, what you personally want. News flash: Canon doesn't care what you personally want. They care about making the most profit they can, which often means finding the lowest common denominator feature set that is sufficient to induce a sizeable fraction of the target market to buy the camera while keeping production costs as low as possible. Honestly, Canon doesn't care if you like the camera, their market research has done a good job of predicting the necessary feature set to drive popularity relative to other options. The fact that Canon has been the ILC market leader for well over a decade, and that their lead is growing, suggests they do a very good job of providing the features that will saitsfy the majority of their user base.
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ahsanford said:
Yes, I don't expect those in an OVF given the nature of the design of an SLR, but for the liveview implementation, the 1dx2 didn't have any of those features, so it would be difficult to expect that on the 5d4. I can always add some of the missing features back in via external monitoring, but that defeats the purpose as at that point I can simply move to other options that excel specifically for video.
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rrcphoto said:
And I have little doubt something gets lost in chasing one metric so aggressively.
Canon seems to be marching down a path of great high ISO or great resolution (I'll leave DR out of that tradeoff as Canon's currently fighting through their migration to on chip ADC, right, which muddies the waters a bit there). But Nikon did not go that route -- let's tip our cap to the D810 sensor in that it simultaneously topped out (or nearly topped out) in resolution / DR / high ISO. That's a freakishly good sensor.
I'm perfectly happy with Canon, but in our ecosystem, we must choose between two different paths to the image quality we need, and each has tradeoffs. Nikon just hands you one indisputably overall best rig. There's a simplicity in that for those looking for 'best' gear.
Again, I'd never leave Canon and they delight me far more than they frustrate me, but I must respect Nikon's approach to this.
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ahsanford said:
true.
however you could say that nikon FINALLY managed to do that right. how many years did nikon not?
However I do welcome an oversampled full frame RAW file from the aspect of clarity with the same sized prints as you could get with a 36-50mp image.
the oversampling will reduce noise either by computational algorithms or straight image size reduction. it will also remove the digital artifacts by bayer array demoisacing and false sharpness.
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Hey, I just had a thought. You know how we're complaining about the cost of Cfast which it turns out not to have.
How about buying all those new batteries? New battery type confirmed right?
How about buying all those new batteries? New battery type confirmed right?
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