More Specifications & Images of EOS 5D Mark IV

[ahsanford]

But this DP thing for the 5D4 could be huge on really small adjustments -- I'm hopeful we might be able to tweak focus in new ways.

- A

sure but tweaking the focus on an eye for a portrait in post processing..

Exactly what I am referring to. I'd like to use portrait glass wide open and not just ever-so-barely miss.

- A

 

[ahsanford]

I'd love to see that get firmware updated to the 1DX2. Seems perfectly plausible. Although I'd be very surprised if we ever saw that put into LR. I can't imagine Adobe investing all the time and research to have a special slate of faders added just for a one (or a couple) camera models, not to mention all the painstaking resources they would likely have to employ to figure out what Canon did. It's not like Canon just emails Adobe a copy of the design and says "here ya go!"

If this DP feature is bonkers good, I expect a thunderous din from the passengers in first class that they'd like this as well. Otherwise, this could turn out to be a flagship feature that isn't on the flagship camera and won't be for another four years.

Call me crazy, if it's possible (if the 1DX2 hardware allows it) and it's a really good feature, I could see Canon finding a way to unlock it for that camp of priciest spenders.

- A

 

[weixing]

Hi,
If it can adjust focus point even by a bit, you can do focus stacking using a single shot to increase the area of critical focus... ;D

Have a nice day.

 

[applecider]

The camera egg specs that started getting talked about on p 29-30 of the thread also have a gem.

The shutter "Durability of the shutter 15 million times", there's the dslr first for ya.

Putting some salt on my eggs...

 

[ahsanford]

Hi,
If it can adjust focus point even by a bit, you can do focus stacking using a single shot to increase the area of critical focus... ;D

Have a nice day.

Clever! On that front, depending on the 'range' of these adjustments, perhaps focus stackers can get a stacking job done in less total shots now?

- A

 

[Sharlin]

As for noise - which is important to me - I am still hoping for up to 2 stops better than the 5DIII at high iso settings.

Unfortunately physics does not agree with you. Did you compare the DR curves of some of the recent high-ISO kings? The 1DX2, the D5, and the 7R Mk. II all fit pretty snugly on a narrow range about 2/3 EV above the 5D3. The modern sensors start to be so close to a theoretical perfect sensor that's fully photon shot noise limited there's simply no room for 2 stop improvement.

Maybe. But last time I checked there was a difference between DR and noise/banding etc.

Also, last time I checked (frankly I don't "do" DR much - so i just checked) Nikon has some nice camera bodies with almost 3 stops better DR than the Canon 5DII.

So - go Canon ! 2 stops better noise thank you very much.

2 stops better noise at low ISO levels (specifically ISO 100-200). That's achievable because Canon sensors have been very much read noise limited at low ISOs until recently. No 35mm sensor in the world has 2 stops better noise at high ISOs than the 5D3.

DR and noise are one and the same thing! Usually people talk about "DR" when they actually mean low-ISO DR (where photons are plentiful and read/ADC noise is a bottleneck) and "noise" when they mean high-ISO DR (where photons are scarce and the bottleneck is microlens structure, photoelectric conversion efficiency etc.).

 

[PureClassA]

I'd love to see that get firmware updated to the 1DX2. Seems perfectly plausible. Although I'd be very surprised if we ever saw that put into LR. I can't imagine Adobe investing all the time and research to have a special slate of faders added just for a one (or a couple) camera models, not to mention all the painstaking resources they would likely have to employ to figure out what Canon did. It's not like Canon just emails Adobe a copy of the design and says "here ya go!"

If this DP feature is bonkers good, I expect a thunderous din from the passengers in first class that they'd like this as well. Otherwise, this could turn out to be a flagship feature that isn't on the flagship camera and won't be for another four years.

Call me crazy, if it's possible (if the 1DX2 hardware allows it) and it's a really good feature, I could see Canon finding a way to unlock it for that camp of priciest spenders.

- A

I'll go so far as to say that provided the hardware IS also in the 1DX2 to do this (again, I can't see what would be missing as both sensors are built on the same basic platform of DPAF + On Board ADC) that a firmware update is an absolute given and will happen almost immediately follow the 5D4 release. Only if there is some special piece of hardware or hardware configuration NOT on the DX2 would it not be updated...but again, I can't imagine what that would be. Both subpixels are being read out and then combined in processing. Seems like in this case that you can flip a switch on the menu and simply tell the camera NOT to combine before creating the RAW file, thus DP RAW. I'm sure there's a few other firmware tweaks required in any case.

 

[PureClassA]

Hi,
If it can adjust focus point even by a bit, you can do focus stacking using a single shot to increase the area of critical focus... ;D

Have a nice day.

I like this guy's thinking too. And I know there will be sighs and moans about having to add DPP into workflows, but it's a small and necessary price to pay for something that sounds like an amazingly versitile feature

 

[mclaren777]

-3ev (-4ev in live view)

Boom! ;D

 

[PureClassA]

-3ev (-4ev in live view)

Boom! ;D

+1

 

[ahsanford]

-3ev (-4ev in live view)

Boom! ;D

-3 EV was a certainty, was it not? The 6D has it, the 7D2 has it, etc.

Glad to see it's 'leak-confirmed', though.

- A

 

[tpatana]

So does it have dual-pixel under every micro-lens (as the dpraw is about double file size)?

Would that mean it has 30 million AF points when using DPAF?

 

[Mikehit]

Hi,
If it can adjust focus point even by a bit, you can do focus stacking using a single shot to increase the area of critical focus... ;D

Have a nice day.

I like this guy's thinking too. And I know there will be sighs and moans about having to add DPP into workflows, but it's a small and necessary price to pay for something that sounds like an amazingly versitile feature

And how often should you need to go into DPP? Use DPP as a 'plug in' and you do it when necessary.

 

[JoeDavid]

I like DPP but don't use it in my regular workflow. I'm a Photoshop guy. I'm wondering if Canon will be doing some funky encoding that will prevent (or at least greatly hamper) third party adoption of the DPAF RAW format. :'(

 

[ahsanford]

Hi,
If it can adjust focus point even by a bit, you can do focus stacking using a single shot to increase the area of critical focus... ;D

Have a nice day.

I like this guy's thinking too. And I know there will be sighs and moans about having to add DPP into workflows, but it's a small and necessary price to pay for something that sounds like an amazingly versitile feature

And how often should you need to go into DPP? Use DPP as a 'plug in' and you do it when necessary.

But if this becomes a killer feature, you'd have to do this every time you process your shots. I'm hopeful Canon will find some way to broker a deal with software companies to offer a specialized slider or panel into LR / ACR / (pick your tool) so that photographer's normal workflows aren't heavily re-routed to leverage this feature.

- A

 

[clicstudio]

I think I will definitely get one for certain jobs and as a backup for my 1Dx II.
The price is right. I like the LCD color adjustment. I wish my 1Dx had it.maybe a firmware update...
I also wished for a 24-105 2.8. I don't know why nobody can come up with one. Not even Sigma...

 

[mclaren777]

Now I'm curious how long we will have to wait for third-party battery grips for the 5D4...

 

[Donkey_Kong]

From where will the built-in 3point 1200 watt lighting system pop out?

 

[GMCPhotographics]

It'll be awesome if the 5D4 can use interchangeable screens again, like the fine focus screen that I have in my 5DII.
It makes using a 85L a breeze wide open.

 

[3kramd5]

So does it have dual-pixel under every micro-lens (as the dpraw is about double file size)?

Would that mean it has 30 million AF points when using DPAF?

It probably doesn't use the pixels near the borders for phase detection, but even if it did: no, you can't focus using a single pixel. You still need a baseline.

Now I'm curious how long we will have to wait for third-party battery grips for the 5D4...

I don't imagine much if any longer than we will have to wait for the 1st party 5D4.