New DSLR on Tuesday, October 18, 2011. [CR3]
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I always wondered why they didn't have a drive mode where the mirror stays up for double or triple frames. Assuming sensor readout the shutter and write to buffer/flash could keep up, you could get 20 or 30 fps, and still get 10 FPS flashing in the viewfinder; which should be enough to track a subject under most circumstances.
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I bet you this will be the 3D that was rumored so many months ago. We have a big show coming up in Hollywood on nov 3rd, and I can only imagine that it will have some unique video features with this model. Basically, I am saying it will be a low light video Ff DSLR that is one step up from the 5D. I believe the 1D and the 5D will be updated next year well after nikons releases.
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An 18 megapixel 1D? That makes no sense as this is suppose to be the Flagship camera. An 18 megapixel Full frames sounds more like an entry level camera. It's fine for me as long as it has awesome video features. The lower the megapixel the better for video.
Also, regarding the Crop mode. Panasonic GH2 has a very good crop mode 3x, and Nikon hasn't sued them over it, so I'm sure Canon can do the same thing. The T3i has a 3x crop mode also, so I'm hoping that makes it into the high end camera (which makes sense).
Also, regarding the Crop mode. Panasonic GH2 has a very good crop mode 3x, and Nikon hasn't sued them over it, so I'm sure Canon can do the same thing. The T3i has a 3x crop mode also, so I'm hoping that makes it into the high end camera (which makes sense).
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Where are the CR2 & CR3 sources? There have been some dates announced and lots of CR1 rumors, but it seems to be a bit like convicting someone on circumstancial evidence. Normally, we'd have something more substantial by now; I'm not saying that there will be no announcement on Tuesday, just that it isn't following the pattern that we've seen before (hopefully some leaked pictures/publicity materials will appear soon).
If the spec list that CR has posted is true, then it seems to be a 1D Mk5, not a 1Ds Mk4. I can see Canon wanting to capitalise on the coming Olympics, but the 1Ds Mk3 is very long in the tooth. I hear the speculation that Canon might do away with the 1Ds line since the 5D Mk2 stole a lot of its sales, but I can't see that Canon would want to lose the premium price point by making a future 5D Mk3 the top high resolution body.
If this is a 1 series announcement, it will be interesting to see the reaction if Nikon releases its prosumer targeted D800 at around the same time, as NR predicts. I guess we'll know in a couple of weeks...
If the spec list that CR has posted is true, then it seems to be a 1D Mk5, not a 1Ds Mk4. I can see Canon wanting to capitalise on the coming Olympics, but the 1Ds Mk3 is very long in the tooth. I hear the speculation that Canon might do away with the 1Ds line since the 5D Mk2 stole a lot of its sales, but I can't see that Canon would want to lose the premium price point by making a future 5D Mk3 the top high resolution body.
If this is a 1 series announcement, it will be interesting to see the reaction if Nikon releases its prosumer targeted D800 at around the same time, as NR predicts. I guess we'll know in a couple of weeks...
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From a big Swiss retailer about availability of the 1D Mk IV:
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All sounds pretty sudden. There was A LOT of 'no DSLR in 2011' only a couple of weeks ago. You've changed your tune. I probably will wait for a few more 'next generation' models to be released but at least there is progress.
5D mk III is still probably going to be the wedding photographers camera of choice.
5D mk III is still probably going to be the wedding photographers camera of choice.
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Quick wikipedia-ing: the EOS 1V did 10fps on a moving mirror, the EOS1nRS did 12fps on a pellicle mirror. And the current 1Dmk4 does 10fps on a moving mirror. (and the best I can find out about the F1 is 9fps, although there probably was a motor drive for 14fps that i didn't find).
Surely it's gotta be possible to go above thiese numbers, we've had 11 years of tech since the 1V, there's got to be a more efficient motor and materials capable of the G-forces involved by now. If the mirror can do it, the rest is just software.
I definitely like the idea of the "2 frames per mirror drop" (or 3).
- Firstly, it'll have to be via a custom function, only for those who want it, because it will almost definitely reduce hit-rate (at least in the first incarnation, coding and algorithms will get better over time).
- Second, they drop the mirror in between each shot for AF-tracking. See my post elsewhere quoting canon talking about their new "dream AF in the near future". If this AF really is that good, maybe it can predictively track moving targets with only dropping the mirror after every 2nd or 3rd shot? Or it can process the images it takes quickly and has improved contrast-based AF to help it keep up without dropping the mirror?
Speculation now, of course, and it may not be in this release, but it will be in *something* within a few years, i'd bet. It'll take processing power and good coding, but it's not impossible.
As for the 18MP FF sensor, I just don't believe it one bit. There is absolutely 0% chance they are going to drop the flagship MP-count DOWN, even if it does 1 million ISO as well as my 7D does iso400, it ain't gonna happen.
If it's 18MP, whether it's FF or APS-H, it's got a 1D-label (or 3D, or 6D, just NOT 1Ds or 5D).
18MP could be the "APS-H crop" mode (i'm too lazy to calculate how big an FF sensor would be for that). If they release an 18mp camera now, then they pretty much have to follow nikon's route with the D3/D3x and release a 30+mp 1Ds sooner rather than later, or too many actual pros will jump ship (and i'll be on ebay to get all their 1Ds3s when they do).
Alternatively, it might be an 18MP FF sensor, iff (which reads 'if and only if' to you non-maths nerds), it's a Foveon-type. (but will they brand it as a 54MP sensor a-la Sigma?).
And just because nikon may or may not have a patent on hardware-cropping, doesn't mean canon can't work around it. P&S cameras have had "digital zoom" for years. the 60/600D has digitalzoom/hardwarecropping for video, so some are already getting around it in some way or another.
Does nikon have the patent just for APS-C cropping? canon can get around that by using APS-H cropping, or even their own APS-C cropping (seeing as canon's APS-C is a different size than nikon's APS-C). Depends on how the patent (if it exists) is written as to how easily they can get around it.
More things to speculate on that noone's mentioned yet.
- Modularity? We can already change focussing screens, how about the whole prism (ie, to a sports-finder?). Will than affect Weather-Sealing too much?
- Flip-Screen? Is pretty much out on a pro-body, for ruggedness and sealing. How about a separete plug-in screen? Even a battery-powered screen via the HDMI plug? Pretty much the same as tethered to a laptop, just a smaller screen and more portable.
- Square sensor? You're going to lose a lot of the image circle with a 36mm square sensor. And using one to crop 36x25 and 25x36 images wastes a lot of real-estate around the edges. Very unlikely.
Surely it's gotta be possible to go above thiese numbers, we've had 11 years of tech since the 1V, there's got to be a more efficient motor and materials capable of the G-forces involved by now. If the mirror can do it, the rest is just software.
I definitely like the idea of the "2 frames per mirror drop" (or 3).
- Firstly, it'll have to be via a custom function, only for those who want it, because it will almost definitely reduce hit-rate (at least in the first incarnation, coding and algorithms will get better over time).
- Second, they drop the mirror in between each shot for AF-tracking. See my post elsewhere quoting canon talking about their new "dream AF in the near future". If this AF really is that good, maybe it can predictively track moving targets with only dropping the mirror after every 2nd or 3rd shot? Or it can process the images it takes quickly and has improved contrast-based AF to help it keep up without dropping the mirror?
Speculation now, of course, and it may not be in this release, but it will be in *something* within a few years, i'd bet. It'll take processing power and good coding, but it's not impossible.
As for the 18MP FF sensor, I just don't believe it one bit. There is absolutely 0% chance they are going to drop the flagship MP-count DOWN, even if it does 1 million ISO as well as my 7D does iso400, it ain't gonna happen.
If it's 18MP, whether it's FF or APS-H, it's got a 1D-label (or 3D, or 6D, just NOT 1Ds or 5D).
18MP could be the "APS-H crop" mode (i'm too lazy to calculate how big an FF sensor would be for that). If they release an 18mp camera now, then they pretty much have to follow nikon's route with the D3/D3x and release a 30+mp 1Ds sooner rather than later, or too many actual pros will jump ship (and i'll be on ebay to get all their 1Ds3s when they do).
Alternatively, it might be an 18MP FF sensor, iff (which reads 'if and only if' to you non-maths nerds), it's a Foveon-type. (but will they brand it as a 54MP sensor a-la Sigma?).
And just because nikon may or may not have a patent on hardware-cropping, doesn't mean canon can't work around it. P&S cameras have had "digital zoom" for years. the 60/600D has digitalzoom/hardwarecropping for video, so some are already getting around it in some way or another.
Does nikon have the patent just for APS-C cropping? canon can get around that by using APS-H cropping, or even their own APS-C cropping (seeing as canon's APS-C is a different size than nikon's APS-C). Depends on how the patent (if it exists) is written as to how easily they can get around it.
More things to speculate on that noone's mentioned yet.
- Modularity? We can already change focussing screens, how about the whole prism (ie, to a sports-finder?). Will than affect Weather-Sealing too much?
- Flip-Screen? Is pretty much out on a pro-body, for ruggedness and sealing. How about a separete plug-in screen? Even a battery-powered screen via the HDMI plug? Pretty much the same as tethered to a laptop, just a smaller screen and more portable.
- Square sensor? You're going to lose a lot of the image circle with a 36mm square sensor. And using one to crop 36x25 and 25x36 images wastes a lot of real-estate around the edges. Very unlikely.
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Pajo Takamatsu said:
I wouldn't read anything at all into this, frankly. Less than a month ago, it was pretty much a sure thing that we'd not see a new Canon dSLR in 2011. Now, it's '99%' that we'll see one in a week? Not the sort of detail on which to base a purchasing decision, IMO.
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neuroanatomist said:
Except: This is the first CR3 we've seen in a while with respect to bodies.
"[CR3] Treat this rumour as fact" says the image. CR-Guy is betting a lot of credibility here using the CR3 tag (although at least only saying "it's a camera but we don't know what" makes sense).
If you need it desperately within the next week, buy it now, but if you can hold off a week, i reckon it's worth a few days' wait. Even if "whatever" body is announced on monday, it probably won't be on the self much before xmas, could be a good time to pick up a cheaper 1Ds3/1D4/5D2/7D/whatever it replaces.
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dr croubie said:
Actually I can even wait 2-3 months but if the MK3 would be coming next September I'd buy it now.
I just want to get started usind a semi-pro dslr and practice my
lighting. I'm an old film shooter and can't anymore.
Kinda hungry to do some work!
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dr croubie said:
True. But then again, check out this previous CR3 on a new body - 'new body being tested in the field...final testing before announcement...we'll see the 1Ds Mark IV before the end of February.' That was February of 2010.
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neuroanatomist said:
After reading this blog for quite awhile, I applaud CR for coming out with this bold prediction ... nearly a week before the scheduled event.
Whether correct or dead wrong about next Tuesday, I am glad to see someone (especially at a rumors forum) actually make an educated guess based upon evidence at hand and take the risk -- after months and months of "photo info foreplay".
Either way, next Tuesday will be an exciting day. Way to go, CR
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