New EF 24-105 f/4L IS Replacement Coming With 5D Mark IV [CR3]

[captainkanji]

The 24-105 needed replacement, but it's too late for me. I'm hooked on primes. Great IQ that I can afford.

 

[Berowne]

... but even this forums' biggest 24-70 f/4L IS fan (hint: me) ...
- A

Is it really so good? I never considered to purchase one because of the unfavourable assessments in photozone about focus shift in this lens.

 

[ahsanford]

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I don't see that the 6D II really "needs" a quick refresh. It is the entry level full frame body and is filling that niche very well. I suspect that in some ways it could be the T3i of the full frame world – a relatively low-cost product that just keeps selling and selling.

Both the 6D and 5D3 represent the lowest megapixel count full frame cameras on offer today.

The A7S II has 12 MP.

The Nikon Df has 16 MP.

And both Canon and Nikon's flagship gripped sports/wildlife rigs were sitting at 18MP and 16 MP until very, very recently, and few were complaining about it.

Do you seriously think Canon wants to be the company that makes current model full frame digital cameras that are at the bottom of the pile when it comes to megapixels?

If they keep selling well, hell yes. Megapixels don't define an imaging company. I think they'd rather be known as the #1 imaging company, the company that delights photographers, etc.

And by the way, Canon also sells other cameras with different specs. The 5DS puts Canon in a unique position in that they offer the 'lowest' (to your definition) and the highest resolution of FF cameras on offer today -- I'd say they've got their bases covered.

- A

 

[ahsanford]

... but even this forums' biggest 24-70 f/4L IS fan (hint: me) ...
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Is it really so good? I never considered to purchase one because of the unfavourable assessments in photozone about focus shift in this lens.

Not at all. It's just perfect for me. It's a great walkaround / travel / hiking lens for my needs, that's all.

Others cherish their 24-105s for different reasons.

- A

 

[Loswr]

Both the 6D and 5D3 represent the lowest megapixel count full frame cameras on offer today.

I see your knowledge of facts hasn't improved in the slightest since you suggested that a broadcast field lens was a camera and stated that the 1D C isn't a dSLR.

:

 

[Diltiazem]

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I don't see that the 6D II really "needs" a quick refresh. It is the entry level full frame body and is filling that niche very well. I suspect that in some ways it could be the T3i of the full frame world – a relatively low-cost product that just keeps selling and selling.

Both the 6D and 5D3 represent the lowest megapixel count full frame cameras on offer today.

Do you seriously think Canon wants to be the company that makes current model full frame digital cameras that are at the bottom of the pile when it comes to megapixels?

Bottom of the pile maybe for megapixels, but top of the pile for popularity.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/SLR-Digital-Cameras/ci/6222/N/4288586280

So, Canon's perspective on pixel count could be quite different than that of some of us.

Anyways, we all can safely assume that MP count is going up in 6DII and 5DIV. We don't know by how much.

 

[ahsanford]

Both the 6D and 5D3 represent the lowest megapixel count full frame cameras on offer today.

I see your knowledge of facts hasn't improved in the slightest since you suggested that a broadcast field lens was a camera and stated that the 1D C isn't a dSLR.

:

Somehow this lens thread will turn into a resolution thread, and then it will turn into a resolution + DR thread, and then he'll shake his fist at Canon corporate for not giving him the D810 sensor to put behind all his EF glass.

Makes perfect sense the more sleep deprived you are.

- A

 

[Eldar]

The 5Ds is also quite clearly a rushed product and despite having the most megapixels it quite clearly suffers in overall IQ.

Really??

When I first saw the specification for the 5DS/DSR, I was very dissapointed, because it did not solve a number of requirements I had high on my list. But I still bought a 5DSR, primarily out of curiosity. And, having used it extensively for everything from portraits to landscape to events to wildlife to birds to just about any type of photography I do, I am simply very impressed with that camera.

A fun observation (or weird if you like) is that the various forums are crowded with negative remarks about this/these camera(s), of which more than 90% comes from non-users. Look at what the actual (and qualified) users are saying and you'll see a totally different story.

 

[Memdroid]

Last I checked the 5Ds is the DSLR with the largest megapixels that is available TODAY!
And to say this camera suffers in IQ is a blatant lie. It probably has the best resolution and colors of any Canon camera out there today. Clearly you have never ever used these cameras in the real world.
Stop spreading lies and get your facts straight before you shout out the most dubious statements with a total ignorant and arrogant attitude.

 

[Meatcurry]

The 5Ds is also quite clearly a rushed product and despite having the most megapixels it quite clearly suffers in overall IQ.

Really??

There was a rumor earlier in the year that it would be replaced "soon" because it is essentially a high resolution sensor in the 5D3 body. To me that says "we don't have time to update/develop a body for this sensor, lets use an existing one and go with it" - i.e. rushed. To *me* it looks like Canon realized it needed a high megapixel camera (because of the A7R/D810) and pushed out existing APS-C tech into a FF sensor. It quite clearly doesn't solve the overall noise problems that Canon has had so in that regard, it doesn't represent "new" or "latest" either.

If you care to check, the 5D3 and 5DS/R are quite different, the body, sensor, processors, mirrorbox, firmware, etc are all new, albeit based on the 5D3 because well you know its pretty much the definitive DSLR and its target audience were no doubt existing users, hence the similarity's.

 

[Diltiazem]

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I don't see that the 6D II really "needs" a quick refresh. It is the entry level full frame body and is filling that niche very well. I suspect that in some ways it could be the T3i of the full frame world – a relatively low-cost product that just keeps selling and selling.

Both the 6D and 5D3 represent the lowest megapixel count full frame cameras on offer today.

Do you seriously think Canon wants to be the company that makes current model full frame digital cameras that are at the bottom of the pile when it comes to megapixels?

Bottom of the pile maybe for megapixels, but top of the pile for popularity.
...

The most popular car in the USA is the Ford F250 truck. Does that make it "the best" or "most desirable"? I'm sure Ford ads trumpet this but ....

Hope, you know what you are talking about. There is no need to reply. Don't prove yourself to be more clueless than you already did.

 

[CANONisOK]

The 5Ds is also quite clearly a rushed product and despite having the most megapixels it quite clearly suffers in overall IQ.

Really??

When I first saw the specification for the 5DS/DSR, I was very dissapointed, because it did not solve a number of requirements I had high on my list. But I still bought a 5DSR, primarily out of curiosity. And, having used it extensively for everything from portraits to landscape to events to wildlife to birds to just about any type of photography I do, I am simply very impressed with that camera.

A fun observation (or weird if you like) is that the various forums are crowded with negative remarks about this/these camera(s), of which more than 90% comes from non-users. Look at what the actual (and qualified) users are saying and you'll see a totally different story.

This is 100% correct. Somehow I killed my 5D3 on a only mildly rainy weekend in Oslo. I needed a camera for my trip to Italy in October and had a choice, either:

1. Get the 5D3 fixed, which is ridiculously expensive in Norge. And who knows how long the fix will last.
2. Buy another 5D3. Reduced price is okay, but knowing that the 5D4 was in the not-too-distant future.
3. Get a 6D. But I want crazy about AF system, lower quality weather sealing/construction, max shutter speed, different layout than my 5D3 & 7D2.
3. Buy the 5DSr. Don't "need" 50 mp... limited fps, etc. But I have the 7D3 for fast action, and this seemed like the best option for me.

I've fallen in love with this camera since I got it. No regrets not getting the 5Ds instead. The color is great, the resolution is spectacular. The ISO limitations don't bother me as I rarely shoot higher than 800. This paired with my 16-3L/4 IS us my main combo for traveling around Europe. Very few situations these cannot handle. I throw in a 135L or 70-300L and maybe the 50L for low light/ shallow DOF and have some great flexibility with minimal weight. I even find the camera shake concern to be minimal... and I'm a pixel peeper.

This 5Dsr has made me go from a position of being relatively interested in the 5D4 right at launch to being only vaguely interested. I will probably pick one up, but only after it has been out a while and when I can find a nice price break on it.

Point is, the 5Dsr is extremely versatile with fantastic IQ. It has really base me appreciate the glass I already have.

 

[Loswr]

Both the 6D and 5D3 represent the lowest megapixel count full frame cameras on offer today.

I see your knowledge of facts hasn't improved in the slightest since you suggested that a broadcast field lens was a camera and stated that the 1D C isn't a dSLR.

:

Somehow this lens thread will turn into a resolution thread, and then it will turn into a resolution + DR thread, and then he'll shake his fist at Canon corporate for not giving him the D810 sensor to put behind all his EF glass.

 

[keithcooper]

5Ds bashing

Most odd all the negative stuff about the 5Ds /R - must be a different camera to the one I use for my day to day architectural and industrial work ;-)

It fits a niche for quite a few photographers - if it's not for the sort of photography you do, then move on and wait for the 5D4, or use your the 5D3 and go out and take some photos...

 

[Antono Refa]

Both the 6D and 5D3 represent the lowest megapixel count full frame cameras on offer today.

Do you seriously think Canon wants to be the company that makes current model full frame digital cameras that are at the bottom of the pile when it comes to megapixels?

Canon wants to be the company that makes the most profit per share. If it can do so while

1. Having the top of the pile resolution wise FF camera
2. Having two bottom of the pile resolution wise FF cameras
3. And having yet higher resolution sensors in the works

Why would it care about #2?

[Counting down to the inevitable mirrorless and DR rebukes...]

 

[Sporgon]

Agree with those that say it's a highly versatile lens. I use mine a hell of a lot for social type work, and I've just sold my 24-70L IS - how convenient ! The 71-105 does make for a lot of difference with me; it I'm going to have a zoom lens on I want it to zoom !

Couple of recent shots with this old workhorse. To improve I'd say more res and less distortion at 24 mil, better corners throughout range, improve the lack of res in the mid to edge frame at around 70-80, tighten up 105 a bit. Add zoom lock, and, unfortunately I guess, add about $1,000 to the price.

First image at 32, where the old lens is stellar, second at 105 where it's adequate.

 

[BeenThere]

Not mentioned so far is the performance on IR converted bodies. The old 24-105 lives on my converted 5d2. Many lenses have a central hot spot or other problems with IR, but not so with this lens. I wonder if the new version will also excel in the IR spectrum. OEMs don't usually test for this.

 

[Hector1970]

The 5Ds is also quite clearly a rushed product and despite having the most megapixels it quite clearly suffers in overall IQ.

Really??

When I first saw the specification for the 5DS/DSR, I was very dissapointed, because it did not solve a number of requirements I had high on my list. But I still bought a 5DSR, primarily out of curiosity. And, having used it extensively for everything from portraits to landscape to events to wildlife to birds to just about any type of photography I do, I am simply very impressed with that camera.

A fun observation (or weird if you like) is that the various forums are crowded with negative remarks about this/these camera(s), of which more than 90% comes from non-users. Look at what the actual (and qualified) users are saying and you'll see a totally different story.

This is 100% correct. Somehow I killed my 5D3 on a only mildly rainy weekend in Oslo. I needed a camera for my trip to Italy in October and had a choice, either:

1. Get the 5D3 fixed, which is ridiculously expensive in Norge. And who knows how long the fix will last.
2. Buy another 5D3. Reduced price is okay, but knowing that the 5D4 was in the not-too-distant future.
3. Get a 6D. But I want crazy about AF system, lower quality weather sealing/construction, max shutter speed, different layout than my 5D3 & 7D2.
3. Buy the 5DSr. Don't "need" 50 mp... limited fps, etc. But I have the 7D3 for fast action, and this seemed like the best option for me.

I've fallen in love with this camera since I got it. No regrets not getting the 5Ds instead. The color is great, the resolution is spectacular. The ISO limitations don't bother me as I rarely shoot higher than 800. This paired with my 16-3L/4 IS us my main combo for traveling around Europe. Very few situations these cannot handle. I throw in a 135L or 70-300L and maybe the 50L for low light/ shallow DOF and have some great flexibility with minimal weight. I even find the camera shake concern to be minimal... and I'm a pixel peeper.

This 5Dsr has made me go from a position of being relatively interested in the 5D4 right at launch to being only vaguely interested. I will probably pick one up, but only after it has been out a while and when I can find a nice price break on it.

Point is, the 5Dsr is extremely versatile with fantastic IQ. It has really base me appreciate the glass I already have.

My own two cents on this is that I got a 5DSR already having a 5DIII.
I've been quite underwhelmed by the 5DSR.
I wasn't impressed with it's ISO performance (although I told downsampling in DPP would help this - I haven't tried that out yet).
I don't like the noise in it.
I find the 5DIII a better all-round camera - more practical so to speak.
File size on a 5DSR is an issue. You need really big hard drives to store the photos (at least at the rate I shoot).
On paper 50MP sounds better than 22MP but unless you are going for big prints or doing alot of cropping it's not a huge amount of use.

I think it would suit a very highly technical, very conservative shooter (takes few photos).

For the 5D IV I'd like better MP's rather than alot more of them.
If they are going to combine the new 24-105 with it, I think it will be a very good lens.
I really like the existing one. Very handy lens even though I've lots of better ones.
It's rock solid. I've never complained about it. If my pictures are bad it's not that lens fault.

 

[dak723]

The zoom lock is really lacking on the 24-104L F4.

Everytime i walk around with it, the lens comes out to 105mm and hangs out from under my coat. I'm feeling like i forgot to zip my pants and my dick is out.

Thank you for the graphic that none of us want to envision...

All you need is a rubber band to solve a lens creep issue. For those that want to use something more professional than a 5 cent rubber band, you can buy a $5 professionally made rubber band made specifically to stop lens creep. Google lens creep and you will get your answer.

 

[jeffa4444]

Yeah, as I said on these very forums many months ago, a 24-105 f/4 update has been in the works for a while now, so not surprising to get confirmation that it'll be debuting with the 5D4.


The 24-70 f/4 won't be affected much as that still has the semi-macro feature which the 24-105 will never get, and it's a given that a zoom with less range is going to remain the optically superior one. I don't expect the 24-105 update will actually mean much beyond the newer IS system to get you an extra stop-or-so there, and possibly a little optical improvement to bring it at least in line with the Sigma 24-105 f/4, which currently beats it in every department.

Owning both the EF 24-105mm f4L and the EF 24-70mm f4L as well as the excellent EF 16-35mm f4L if Canon better the image quality and it gets anywhere close to the EF 16-35mm f4L then the EF 24-70mm f4L based on IQ is dead. Quality wise I would say my copy is the worst L lens I own optically Ive tested it on the CIPA High Resolution chart as well as the EF 24-105mm f4L and they are similar. The EF 24-105 f4L has move purple fringing but sharpness is similar but the EF 24-70mm f4L has bad image shift. Being spoilt with the EF 16-35mm f4L, the EF 100mm f2.8L Macro, the EF 100-400mm f4.5-5.6L MKII as well as for the price the EF 50mm f1.8 STM the EF 24-70mm f4L was a shock at just how bad it is.