Next Rebel Going EVF? [CR1]

[Marsu42]

yet nobody seems to understand that both have their advantages and both have their disadvantages and each one should choose the one that fits his meeds and stop claiming superiority to the other type of user.

Few people seem to understand that this in a xxd/Rebel isn't about advantages or disadvantages, but about production cost. With on-sensor af and metering you can cut all those ovf parts... and might even end up with a bigger vf than the current entry-level models.

With the consumers buying Rebels (except for being short on money), who is going to care if the price drop €100 or more? And many of them will never look through the evf anyway, but simply use the touch screen for the dual pixel af in live view.

Anyway, the rebel with evf, not going to happen. I can bet big money on that.

We'll quote that when the time comes :->

 

[Tugela]

The vast majority of Rebel owners neither know nor care if there is a mirror in their camera or not. Probably the same applies to the majority of 5D3/70D owners as well I bet, opinions on this board not withstanding.

Very few people buy their cameras "because" it has on OVF/mirror, they simply do not care about that.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

The vast majority of Rebel owners neither know nor care if there is a mirror in their camera or not. Probably the same applies to the majority of 5D3/70D owners as well I bet, opinions on this board not withstanding.

Very few people buy their cameras "because" it has on OVF/mirror, they simply do not care about that.

Is that a opinion, or do you have facts?

I personally have no way of knowing what regular consumers prefer in the way of viewfinders, the photography forums are mostly posted to by those that are serious photographers who might be concerned when a EVF smears the image when you are tracking a BIF, where first time DSLR buyers tend to buy what camera is most impressive, or what the Best Buy salesman tells them. Canon once remarked that their survey showed that US buyers wanted large cameras because they thought that the large DSLR's meant better quality. Unless something happens to change that, its going to continue that way.

 

[Tugela]

The vast majority of Rebel owners neither know nor care if there is a mirror in their camera or not. Probably the same applies to the majority of 5D3/70D owners as well I bet, opinions on this board not withstanding.

Very few people buy their cameras "because" it has on OVF/mirror, they simply do not care about that.

Is that a opinion, or do you have facts?

I personally have no way of knowing what regular consumers prefer in the way of viewfinders, the photography forums are mostly posted to by those that are serious photographers who might be concerned when a EVF smears the image when you are tracking a BIF, where first time DSLR buyers tend to buy what camera is most impressive, or what the Best Buy salesman tells them. Canon once remarked that their survey showed that US buyers wanted large cameras because they thought that the large DSLR's meant better quality. Unless something happens to change that, its going to continue that way.

Bolded the operative phrase.

It is not an opinion, but based on conversations with friends and family who buy those sorts of cameras. They usually think that because it is bigger and has the name of a reputable manufacturer on it, it must take better pictures. They don't know why it is better, and they certainly don't know what goes on inside (or care), other than that it takes pictures. And in most cases IMO they don't need a high end camera at all, since all they do with the things is take family snapshots. And certainly not a 5D3.

The thing is, something like a 5D3 is expensive, and THAT is what they are paying for. It is expensive jewelry that you can use to display your signs of wealth.

 

[Don Haines]

The vast majority of Rebel owners neither know nor care if there is a mirror in their camera or not. Probably the same applies to the majority of 5D3/70D owners as well I bet, opinions on this board not withstanding.

Very few people buy their cameras "because" it has on OVF/mirror, they simply do not care about that.

Is that a opinion, or do you have facts?

I personally have no way of knowing what regular consumers prefer in the way of viewfinders, the photography forums are mostly posted to by those that are serious photographers who might be concerned when a EVF smears the image when you are tracking a BIF, where first time DSLR buyers tend to buy what camera is most impressive, or what the Best Buy salesman tells them. Canon once remarked that their survey showed that US buyers wanted large cameras because they thought that the large DSLR's meant better quality. Unless something happens to change that, its going to continue that way.

Nikon did a survey that showed them that price was the biggest thing influencing sales of beginner DSLRs, followed by the number of megapixels and then what their family/friends shoot with..

DR, IQ, AF systems, lens selection, ergonomics, and advanced modes had very little to do with the purchase. Remember, we CR members are not representative of the typical consumer.....

 

[AvTvM]

US buyers are not that stupid. The notion that "larger pieces of gear have more/better functionality" has faded considerably since the days of the Ford Edsel. Nowadyas US buyers all recognize that good things can also come in very small packags. Like BMW Mini Cooper or Apple iPhones.

Up until the latest breed of mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras [OMD1,. XT1, A7/R/S], consumers globally KNEW perfectly well, that DSLRs provided superior functionality (and often also better image quality).

If Canon and/or Nikon also start offering REALLY GREAT and SMALL MILCS at reasonable prices ... of course people everywhere will buy them. Not despite their compact size, but BECAUSE of it.

 

[Loswr]

US buyers are not that stupid. The notion that "larger pieces of gear have more/better functionality" has faded considerably since the days of the Ford Edsel. Nowadyas US buyers all recognize that good things can also come in very small packags. Like BMW Mini Cooper or Apple iPhones.

Of course, the current (3rd gen) Mini Cooper is larger and heavier than the (BMW) original, iPhones have gotten progressively bigger and now we even have the iPhone 6 Plus. So apparently US buyers want those small 'good things' in ever-larger packages.

 

[AvTvM]

Of course, the current (3rd gen) Mini Cooper is larger and heavier than the (BMW) original, iPhones have gotten progressively bigger and now we even have the iPhone 6 Plus. So apparently US buyers want those small 'good things' in ever-larger packages.

People will ACCEPT larger, if it really OFFERS MORE .. functionality, quality, ...

iPhone 6plus replaces smartphone plus small Tablet (eg iPad Mini) ... so it is overall SMALLER and LIGHTER than carrying both. Although I will stick with my 4S for as long as that little sucker keeps working. Just love that form factor.

 

[Loswr]

Although I will stick with my 4S for as long as that little sucker keeps working. Just love that form factor.

Luddite!

Seriously, I'm sticking with my 4S as well. Meets my needs just fine. Tough little bugger, no case on it, it's dropped from waist level to pavement ~10 times, just some dings on the edges and one $30 back glass replacement.

 

[sanj]

Although I will stick with my 4S for as long as that little sucker keeps working. Just love that form factor.

Luddite!

Seriously, I'm sticking with my 4S as well. Meets my needs just fine. Tough little bugger, no case on it, it's dropped from waist level to pavement ~10 times, just some dings on the edges and one $30 back glass replacement.

Me sticking with my 4s as well. But how come it fell 10 times??

 

[AvTvM]

mine took some falls as well. Survived everything so far. Most often it slips from my shirt pocket, when I bend down ... ouch!

 

[Loswr]

Although I will stick with my 4S for as long as that little sucker keeps working. Just love that form factor.

Luddite!

Seriously, I'm sticking with my 4S as well. Meets my needs just fine. Tough little bugger, no case on it, it's dropped from waist level to pavement ~10 times, just some dings on the edges and one $30 back glass replacement.

Me sticking with my 4s as well. But how come it fell 10 times??

Usually juggling keys, kids, and groceries. Another reason I have a 1-series body. 8)