I am not holding my breath at all for Canon's Mirrorless offering. Odds are, that they do not "get it right".
We'll see........
We'll see........
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infared said:I am not holding my breath at all for Canon's Mirrorless offering. Odds are, that they do not "get it right".
We'll see........
Mikehit said:You really believe they can see what Nikon announces and immediatelyQuackator said:They might wait to see what Nikon announces, then decide their answer
and immediately start producing.
...
So Canon with their huge production capacity can decide /after/ Nikon
drops their pants and still beat them to market.
change their specifications to challenge it and still beat Nikon to market...?
kkamena said:infared said:I am not holding my breath at all for Canon's Mirrorless offering. Odds are, that they do not "get it right".
We'll see........
The odds are that whatever they put out will cause countless Vloggers, Bloggers, Reviewers, and forum poster to declare that Canon is finally dead and Sony is the new King of Cameras. However it will be a nice Camera that does its job well and will probably still out sell the competition.
Quackator said:Mikehit said:You really believe they can see what Nikon announces and immediatelyQuackator said:They might wait to see what Nikon announces, then decide their answer
and immediately start producing.
...
So Canon with their huge production capacity can decide /after/ Nikon
drops their pants and still beat them to market.
change their specifications to challenge it and still beat Nikon to market...?
No, you got me wrong. They for sure have developed and tested several
variations, but they haven't decided which of them to declare their gold
standard. So, with the knowledge about Nikons announcement, they will
be able to decide better. THIS then prompts how to set up manufacturing
lines. Canon is much faster in production preparation and delivers a much
higher output than any other manufacturer. Their new robotic assembly
line adds to their flexibility.
When Nikon announces, this means with deadly accurycy that they have
started producing.
So, if Canon is able to set up the manufacturing fast enough, they will
probably be able to beat Nikon to market with their answer.
They will have researched Nikons options long and deep, and they will
have an escalation route for any of these options. The minute Nikon
drops their pants, Canon will know their answer.
gmon750 said:Ryananthony said:I feel bad for anyone using Canon or Nikon, who want a FF mirrorless. This is proving to take a while.
Oh please. I'm happy and patiently waiting to see what Canon comes up with. You're making it sound our dSLR's are suddenly inoperable and no longer useful. Mirrorless offers INCREMENTAL improvements, and not the end-all-be-all of anything prior. I'm ready to buy a 5DM4 to complement my 5DM3, but since I'm in no rush, I and many others are fine with waiting. We're not like other people that have to have their 15-minute attention-span fulfilled with the next shiny gadget.
I'm happy to see folks like Sony coming in, making their mistakes, and putting out a new camera every year while Canon is making sure their offering is baked right out the gate.
Don Haines said:gmon750 said:Ryananthony said:I feel bad for anyone using Canon or Nikon, who want a FF mirrorless. This is proving to take a while.
Oh please. I'm happy and patiently waiting to see what Canon comes up with. You're making it sound our dSLR's are suddenly inoperable and no longer useful. Mirrorless offers INCREMENTAL improvements, and not the end-all-be-all of anything prior. I'm ready to buy a 5DM4 to complement my 5DM3, but since I'm in no rush, I and many others are fine with waiting. We're not like other people that have to have their 15-minute attention-span fulfilled with the next shiny gadget.
I'm happy to see folks like Sony coming in, making their mistakes, and putting out a new camera every year while Canon is making sure their offering is baked right out the gate.
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The question is not who gets one out first, it's who manages to have a good mirrorless SYSTEM.
kkamena said:infared said:I am not holding my breath at all for Canon's Mirrorless offering. Odds are, that they do not "get it right".
We'll see........
The odds are that whatever they put out will cause countless Vloggers, Bloggers, Reviewers, and forum poster to declare that Canon is finally dead and Sony is the new King of Cameras. However it will be a nice Camera that does its job well and will probably still out sell the competition.
dak723 said:Yes, it is unfortunate how the internet media has taken a stance and run with it - influencing so many internet users over the past few years. I feel sorry for those that fall for it, as I did a few years ago. I always make sure I buy cameras from a place that has a no question return policy, so i wasn't burned when I bought my Sony.kkamena said:infared said:I am not holding my breath at all for Canon's Mirrorless offering. Odds are, that they do not "get it right".
We'll see........
The odds are that whatever they put out will cause countless Vloggers, Bloggers, Reviewers, and forum poster to declare that Canon is finally dead and Sony is the new King of Cameras. However it will be a nice Camera that does its job well and will probably still out sell the competition.
As a Canon M5 owner for the past year or so, I have little doubt that Canon's FF mirrorless will be a really good camera, just as the M5 is. I wouldn't trade my M5 for a Sony A7 III, that's for sure.
kkamena said:infared said:I am not holding my breath at all for Canon's Mirrorless offering. Odds are, that they do not "get it right".
We'll see........
The odds are that whatever they put out will cause countless Vloggers, Bloggers, Reviewers, and forum poster to declare that Canon is finally dead and Sony is the new King of Cameras. However it will be a nice Camera that does its job well and will probably still out sell the competition.
infared said:kkamena said:infared said:I am not holding my breath at all for Canon's Mirrorless offering. Odds are, that they do not "get it right".
We'll see........
The odds are that whatever they put out will cause countless Vloggers, Bloggers, Reviewers, and forum poster to declare that Canon is finally dead and Sony is the new King of Cameras. However it will be a nice Camera that does its job well and will probably still out sell the competition.
Funny..so your comment says that we will get a very mediocre camera that will sell well. Just because something sells well does not make it GREAT for your needs. 8)
dak723 said:infared said:kkamena said:infared said:I am not holding my breath at all for Canon's Mirrorless offering. Odds are, that they do not "get it right".
We'll see........
The odds are that whatever they put out will cause countless Vloggers, Bloggers, Reviewers, and forum poster to declare that Canon is finally dead and Sony is the new King of Cameras. However it will be a nice Camera that does its job well and will probably still out sell the competition.
Funny..so your comment says that we will get a very mediocre camera that will sell well. Just because something sells well does not make it GREAT for your needs. 8)
Just how little English do you understand where "does its job well" means "very mediocre camera "?
If you are going to misquote someone to make a point, maybe better not.
infared said:I did not misquote anyone. That is my interpretation of their verbiage.
A "nice" camera. LOL! It's all yours!
Woody said:Perhaps an example will help to clarify things a little. The 6D and 6D MarkII cameras are somewhat 'mediocre'... they do not have the best dynamic range at low ISO, low noise performance at high ISO, best AF sensor, highest frame rate etc... but they are the bestselling FF DSLRs in Japan (BCNRanking) and USA Amazon website.
Why? Because the cameras do their jobs well. And the system which includes lenses and flash etc works reliably.
fullstop said:re. mediocre: if decent (= a lot better than "mediocre", but not "stellar") and compact FF-sensor mirrorless cameras were available from Canon and Nikon - eg. Nikon D850 or Canon 5D IV functionality, performance and price - more people would buy those today than the DSLR versions.
Mikehit said:fullstop said:re. mediocre: if decent (= a lot better than "mediocre", but not "stellar") and compact FF-sensor mirrorless cameras were available from Canon and Nikon - eg. Nikon D850 or Canon 5D IV functionality, performance and price - more people would buy those today than the DSLR versions.
That merely shows your personal prejudice, nothing more and nothing less.
fullstop said:My opinion: if A7 III and A9 were not Sony cameras with Sony issues but Canon EOS cameras - they'd sell better than 6D II, 5D IV and 1DX II.
Mikehit said:fullstop said:My opinion: if A7 III and A9 were not Sony cameras with Sony issues but Canon EOS cameras - they'd sell better than 6D II, 5D IV and 1DX II.
Why?
Assume EF mount (which they would have to be).