No 7D Mark II? [CR1]

[smirkypants]

But there are a lot of people... a LOT of people... who want a pro-quality body with a cropped sensor and are willing to pay for it. I'd love 10fps, an extremely rugged build, a 1Dx quality AF system and metering.

To get that we're talking a $3000-4000 ballpark. I would pay it and so would a lot of sport and bird shooters. That's not something you will see in a 70D.

 

[D.Sim]

Would that bring the 70D pricing up to where the 7D is now (and considerably higher at introduction of course)?

Probably similar to the old 50d/40d which was in-between the 7d and 60d. The 60d was a downgrade from the 50d in many ways.

Indeed... the 7D was always the more spiritual successor of the 50D... Would be nice to see the return of the two digit D to the top of Canon's crop lineup though...

 

[nicku]

As I said before... 7D was and still is one of the best sellers that canon ever had. WHY they discontinue a very, very well selling body???

OK they will '' rise in class '' with the 70D; same performance like 7D and many improvements..... BUT what about the Nikon D7000 VS 60D!!! do you really think Canon will allow Nikon to be alone in a DSLR category??? especially when we talk about a $1000 camera model.

PS. don't mention that the new Nikon D400 is around the corner.

 

[wickidwombat]

But there are a lot of people... a LOT of people... who want a pro-quality body with a cropped sensor and are willing to pay for it. I'd love 10fps, an extremely rugged build, a 1Dx quality AF system and metering.

To get that we're talking a $3000-4000 ballpark. I would pay it and so would a lot of sport and bird shooters. That's not something you will see in a 70D.

it might be but i would think more like 2k, rugged build would be similar to existing 7D i guess
if they use the same detuned 61pt sensor from the 1dx they save alot by production scale, can you imagine the point spread on a crop sensor with that beast. I wouldn't right them off just yet i think whatever the crop body they do come out with will be class leading. i just hope the IQ is a significant step up from the 7D sensor. still i am more interested in any new APS-H body than a king of the crops. I doubt canon will leave out the people craving a tough crop. like i said who cares what they call it right?

 

[KeithR]

Well now...

You say this:

I should know as I own two 5DMarkII's and a 7D.

Then you say this:

Unfortunately it's not even close.

Which really suggests that you don't know: my 7D will do anything, IQ-wise, that your 5D Mk II will do, and plenty more besides.

 

[Birdshooter]

If they would make the 5Dx a:

• 30.8 MP FF (giving you a 12 MP crop)
• 8 fps
• decent ISO & DR
• It will still have a DLA of > F8, you could still shoot the 300 1:2.8 + 2x TC + 1 stopped down, without loosing quality, unlike now with the 7D.

Both 5D owners as well as 7D owner will be very happy.

The 7D resolution is to big for its sensor. If they would have made it 13.5 MPm it would have been the best. Better ISO, better IQ and more DLA.

 

[ogrizzo]

If your 7D ego has just been bruised then I suggest you get yourself a full frame camera and start pixel peeping and see the "full frame light" my friend

Excuse me? I should stop taking pictures and start pixel peeping to justify the weight and the cost of full frame?

You don't like your 7D, fine. I shooted with a 5DII, I'd never buy one, and even if I had unlimited money, I'd usually prefer to lug around a 7D+17-55+Tokina 11-16 than a 1DX+24-70 Mk II+16-35. (Not being a dentist, I'd rather save the money to replace my car when it dies).

Next time you see a press conference on TV, look at the cameras behind Canon lenses: they'll be mostly X0D, a bunch of 7D and some 1D (if any).

 

[KeithR]

you could still shoot the 300 1:2.8 + 2x TC + 1 stopped down, without loosing quality, unlike now with the 7D.

"Losing quality"? Rubbish! My 7D is fantastic in those circumstances.

The 7D resolution is too big for its sensor. If they would have made it 13.5 MP it would have been the best. Better ISO, better IQ and more DLA.

How many more times for this tripe?

More pixels does not mean worse IQ.

 

[D.Sim]

As I said before... 7D was and still is one of the best sellers that canon ever had. WHY they discontinue a very, very well selling body???

OK they will '' rise in class '' with the 70D; same performance like 7D and many improvements..... BUT what about the Nikon D7000 VS 60D!!! do you really think Canon will allow Nikon to be alone in a DSLR category??? especially when we talk about a $1000 camera model.

PS. don't mention that the new Nikon D400 is around the corner.

Because the true succession was 40D -> 50D -> 7D

The 60D is closer to a "slightly improved" 600D. Is Canon allowing Nikon to be alone? Hardly.

 

[KeithR]

Excuse me? I should stop taking pictures and start pixel peeping to justify the weight and the cost of full frame?

Ignore him - another bad workman, blaming his tools.

It always creases me up when FF zealots like him say things like that as if we haven't tested these cameras, and the files that come off them, to the nth degree.

And the fact that he's suggesting pixel peeping (as opposed to IQ comparison at the image level, the only place where it matters) tells you everything you need to know about his understanding.

 

[lol]

I don't care if the next flagship APS-C body is called 70D or 7D2, as long as it is built upon the current 7D and not the 60D. Assuming they go this route, I think there is more marketing value in keeping the 7D name than reverting to 70D though.

I don't think they can afford to revert to the 9 point AF system though regardless, unless the 5D3 offers wide area f/8 AF, which isn't possible even on any 1D series body. The 7D seems to be massively popular, and it would be suicide not to provide a functional successor for it.

Comparing against the 5D2 is kinda pointless though. The 5D2 is basically a 50D with an overgrown sensor. It feels like a toy compared to the 7D. So the 5D3 would at a minimum need to match the 7D build if it is going to replace a 7D in any way.

 

[GL]

Without fanning the flames of the "7D vs 5D2" debate going on here, I must say, as a wedding/portrait pro that uses a 5D2 as my main body with the 7D as second body/backup, and who uses both for professional video films, you simply can't compare the IQ of the 7D with what the 5D2 can do at any ISO over 400.

Nevermind the noise (which is fairly well controlled on the 7D at up to ISO 800/1000), the AWB and skin tones of the 5D2 just hit the spot every time, whereas (especially for video) we end up white balance shifting the 7D every single time.

Now if I were a bird/sport shooter that would be different, and when I just need the reach with decent IQ, I go to the 7D first. But to say the 7D can match the 5D2 - it simply can't - not for the work I do anyway.

Now 5D2 focus, shutter lag, shutter noise, these are other issue altogether... the 7D is a real upgrade in each of these, which is why a FF 5D/7D merge makes so much sense!

 

[DzPhotography]

I just wanna state my humble opinion and not flame anyone, just to be clear from the start.

Altho' I love my 7D, it doesn't come close to IQ and ISO performance of the 5DMkII (or any other FF).

A FF with approx. the same MP count as an APS-C will always, I repeat always deliver better pics, because the pixel density is much less and therefore will not have as much overflow as the APS-C in the higher ISO settings.

Just go out and try to shoot a concert without flash with both a 5DMkII and a 7D (and the same lenses ofcourse) at ISO's of 1600-3200 and you'll understand what I'm talking about

 

[JR]

While I am not in the market for a 7DmkII myself, I find this rumor a bit odd indeed. With the APS-H sensor gone from the line-up, I dont see how Canon can leave the crop sensor side of the market unaddressed with simply a replacement of the 60D?!?!? Nikon is in a bit of a different situation because they can have their FF body crop such that we have more reach, but Canon does not have this to my knowledge. I even heard of a D400 in the way from Nikon...

We are surely missing the full picture here no? There is a still market for pro-level APS-C, does it?

Jacques

 

[nicku]

We are surely missing the full picture here no? There is a still market for pro-level APS-C, does it?

Jacques

A very big one...

If 7D had 1 stop better ISO quality at ISO 100 and 200 a had chose 7D. but IQ is more important than every other think that a Canon bodies can have.

 

[Maui5150]

I think Canon is consolidating their lines slightly which makes sense.

When you look at the previous landscape of the lines (with latest MK #s eliminated)

1Ds
1DMK
5DMK
7D
60D
T3i

There is just a huge overlap, especially in the Crop body. Yes, the 7D was the king of the APS-C, but the total gap between 7D - 60D - and T3i in terms of features, performance, etc was not that great and a $1000 difference... A lot of it came down to the quality of the body as the biggest differences, along with AF and FPS

So what I see

1Dx (and possibly a 1DsX) as the Pro body line. $6500 Body

5DMKIII - The Mid Level Pro - Solid all around, $3000 Body - Really becomes a economic win, really a merging of the 5DMKII and 7D lines, so instead of paying $4200 for a 7D and 5D MKII, you save $800 - $1000 and have it all in one body. Yes, you lose the crop reach, but this will be a SOLID all around camera

2D/3D/4D - This will be the high MP beast. It is coming, and my guess is Canon is tweaking the hell out of it... In the corporate minds, better to be a few months slower and have a better body for several years, than rush and be mediocre.

70D - Seriously Upgraded line. Top of the Crop Prosumer Body. Better construction. Weather Sealing, this becomes the $1500 - $1700 crop body, probably 18MP still, maybe up to 21MP, Faster FPS, and likely the same AF.

Rebel T4i - Top Consumer Body. Same overall sensor as the 70D, great video, less bells and whistles, plastic body, slower FPS, less ISO and likely not as good AF.

The nature of the shift is really 6 lines into 4 lines, or 5 lines into 4 depending on how you look at the 1Ds/1DMK line.

This is not a bad thing. I think what this means is an upgrade to the xxD line, and by focusing these bodies a little more, it takes some of the confusion away especially with the T3i / 60D / 7D which are 3 fairly close bodies within $800 - $900 of each other, which then becomes 2 Bodies with in the same range.

One less body line allows Canon to focus on better improvements for their next generation as well as improve their lenses with more resources.

 

[Dbleznak]

The only thing I want is the best pro body for my 17-55 2.8 IS. Right now, its still the 7D, right?

 

[candyman]

The only thing I want is the best pro body for my 17-55 2.8 IS. Right now, its still the 7D, right?

The difference in IQ between 600D, 60D en 7D is not big. Same sensor. Maybe very small difference in terms of ISO noise though I am not sure.


A new camera with new APS-C sensor will for sure give better IQ with your 17-55 2.8.
Not likely this lens wil be updated soon

 

[BXL]

Because the true succession was 40D -> 50D -> 7D

The 60D is closer to a "slightly improved" 600D. Is Canon allowing Nikon to be alone? Hardly.

I don't agree... true, the 60D lost some minor features of the 50D but the gap between those two cameras is very small compared to the 7D.

The xxD line has 9 cross-type AF points, compared to the 7D with it's 19 cross-type AF points. So, if a 70D would be the successor of the 7D, what type of AF will it get? An improved version of the 40/50/60D or an improved version of the 19 cross-type AF of the 7D?

And if this would be the case and the 70D would replace both 60D and 7D, which means also that the 70D will be priced similar to the 7D (~1500 US$), than there is a hugh gab between the 60D/7D successor and the xxx/rebel product line. I don't believe that the xxx/rebel line (1 cross-type AF point) will receive the AF of the xxD product line and I don't believe that canon will leave such a gab in its product portfolio.

So if those rumors are true, then something has to fill the gap. And don't forget, the rebel name is only used in the US/Canada. In other markets the rebel name is unknown.

 

[DzPhotography]

The only thing I want is the best pro body for my 17-55 2.8 IS. Right now, its still the 7D, right?

The difference in IQ between 600D, 60D en 7D is not big. Same sensor. Maybe very small difference in terms of ISO noise though I am not sure.


A new camera with new APS-C sensor will for sure give better IQ with your 17-55 2.8.
Not likely this lens wil be updated soon

but right now, as Dbleznak asked, it's still the 7D... :