No 7D Mark II in 2013? [CR2]

[bereninga]

Dammit, I came to this thread to read what people thought about this rumor and all I see is arguing about soccer and football and manliness. I must've forgot that I'm on the CR forums, where threads always go off-topic for a few pages.

I guess 7D owners can be happy about this rumor of no 7DII this year.

 

[dlleno]

Dammit, I came to this thread to read what people thought about this rumor and all I see is arguing about soccer and football and manliness. I must've forgot that I'm on the CR forums, where threads always go off-topic for a few pages.

I guess 7D owners can be happy about this rumor of no 7DII this year.

There is a common denominator among threads here that run amok...

 

[yogi]

You left out rugby!bereninga

Dammit, I came to this thread to read what people thought about this rumor and all I see is arguing about soccer and football and manliness. I must've forgot that I'm on the CR forums, where threads always go off-topic for a few pages.

I guess 7D owners can be happy about this rumor of no 7DII this year.

There is a common denominator among threads here that run amok...

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

The sport world is bigger than the U.S. and american football, its called soccer

Ahem. Nowhere else than in the U.S. it is called soccer. The name of the game is "football". Pretty logical, as you play it with your feet...

logical except in US there they have a lot of protection and strange helmets and call it football, the original sport calls RUGBY from 1823 and are for real men and they have no protection.

Here in Canada, we also call it Soccer.... so it's not just the U.S. that has the name wrong.... and I dare you to go tell the members of my NEICE'S rugby team that the game is for real men....

And the sport world is much larger than contact sports. Might I suggest you take up canoeing? A quiet lake, waterfowl and magnificent scenery..... sunsets and sunrises, an osprey or an eagle picking a fish off of the surface of the water, moose browsing in a marsh.... If there was ever a sport ideal for photographers, canoeing has to be it.

And believe it or not it wasn't the U.S. that came up with the term it was.... Britain! They came up with the term "soccer" and now spend every waking minute blaming it on the U.S. :'(.

 

[Sporgon]

^ ^

As we do with everything else !

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Give a cheap violin to a violin master and they will still make beautiful sounds with it. Give a Stradivarious to a begginer and the reverse will happen. It's not the camera but the photographer's skill and talent...
I see so many invested photographers these days with all the pro kit and not a clue how to use it.

No it's:

Give a cheap violin to a Anne Sophie Mutter and she will still sound good.... but definitely not as fabulous and something will be missing a bit for sure.

If you were to steal a top violin player's instrument they would probably literally cry and then go all Taken on you: "I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you I don't have money. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let my Strad go now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will...."

And there is a reason they would be like that.

Give a Strad or Guarn to a beginner and he might still not be terribly good but unless he is really, really poor or like in the first few weeks his tone may be a little better and if he is a skilled beginner he will sound noticeably better although he's not going to be able to sudden do anything a master can. I've personally tried crummy and excellent and I definitely sounded better with the top instrument, that said of course I didn't transform into Perlman.

For cameras give a sports pro a rebel and 70-300 IS and his take will instantly go considerable down.
Give a beginner a 1DX+ 300 2.8 and his take will instantly go up a good deal.
But the pro will still have the better overall take (unless he is a really crummy one and the beginner has mad talent).

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

^ ^

As we do with everything else !

haha

 

[GMCPhotographics]

A photojournalist is looking for a visual narrative in every photo. That takes time, thought, observation, timing, skill and a bit of luck.
Landscapers are looking for the best light, this takes time, thought, observation, timing...and getting one's ass out of bed at inhumane times of the day / night.
Wildlife photographers are looking for perfect specimines doing interesting things with clear backgrounds. This takes time, thought, observation, timing and patience.
Sports....do I have to go on?
Natutrally there's a host of piccy grabbers who just pray and spray, picking out the successfull chance shots in post production....but that's not skill. Yes 12fps is helpful, but a lot of sports photographers I know still use 5 fps becuase they are good and judging the timing and don't want to fill their cards with time consuming throw aways.

My last wedding, I shot 1127 photographs. An all day shoot of 14 hours. Final edit...down to 537 photos. That's slightly under 50% keepers. A collegue of mine who is a pro football photographer has simular hit rates. A pro landscaper friend of mine has a keeper rate of well over 75%. This pray and spray behaviour supports my previous statement.

 

[Don Haines]

A photojournalist is looking for a visual narrative in every photo. That takes time, thought, observation, timing, skill and a bit of luck.
Landscapers are looking for the best light, this takes time, thought, observation, timing...and getting one's ass out of bed at inhumane times of the day / night.
Wildlife photographers are looking for perfect specimines doing interesting things with clear backgrounds. This takes time, thought, observation, timing and patience.
Sports....do I have to go on?
Natutrally there's a host of piccy grabbers who just pray and spray, picking out the successfull chance shots in post production....but that's not skill. Yes 12fps is helpful, but a lot of sports photographers I know still use 5 fps becuase they are good and judging the timing and don't want to fill their cards with time consuming throw aways.

My last wedding, I shot 1127 photographs. An all day shoot of 14 hours. Final edit...down to 537 photos. That's slightly under 50% keepers. A collegue of mine who is a pro football photographer has simular hit rates. A pro landscaper friend of mine has a keeper rate of well over 75%. This pray and spray behaviour supports my previous statement.

I'm still learning and my keeper rate is much lower than that. I wouldn't show even 5 percent of my shots. My reaction time is not fast enough to pick up the ideal wing position of small birds in flight so I have to rely on the camera burst mode. I like the idea of 10 (or more) fps in burst mode and lots of other bird photographers trying to keep up with those damn hummingbird wings seem to rely on the evil "spray and pray". Please tell me, how do I improve my reaction time by a factor of ten or more?

 

[bdunbar79]

A photojournalist is looking for a visual narrative in every photo. That takes time, thought, observation, timing, skill and a bit of luck.
Landscapers are looking for the best light, this takes time, thought, observation, timing...and getting one's ass out of bed at inhumane times of the day / night.
Wildlife photographers are looking for perfect specimines doing interesting things with clear backgrounds. This takes time, thought, observation, timing and patience.
Sports....do I have to go on?
Natutrally there's a host of piccy grabbers who just pray and spray, picking out the successfull chance shots in post production....but that's not skill. Yes 12fps is helpful, but a lot of sports photographers I know still use 5 fps becuase they are good and judging the timing and don't want to fill their cards with time consuming throw aways.

My last wedding, I shot 1127 photographs. An all day shoot of 14 hours. Final edit...down to 537 photos. That's slightly under 50% keepers. A collegue of mine who is a pro football photographer has simular hit rates. A pro landscaper friend of mine has a keeper rate of well over 75%. This pray and spray behaviour supports my previous statement.

You're right. However, gear still matters.

 

[RLPhoto]

A photojournalist is looking for a visual narrative in every photo. That takes time, thought, observation, timing, skill and a bit of luck.
Landscapers are looking for the best light, this takes time, thought, observation, timing...and getting one's ass out of bed at inhumane times of the day / night.
Wildlife photographers are looking for perfect specimines doing interesting things with clear backgrounds. This takes time, thought, observation, timing and patience.
Sports....do I have to go on?
Natutrally there's a host of piccy grabbers who just pray and spray, picking out the successfull chance shots in post production....but that's not skill. Yes 12fps is helpful, but a lot of sports photographers I know still use 5 fps becuase they are good and judging the timing and don't want to fill their cards with time consuming throw aways.

My last wedding, I shot 1127 photographs. An all day shoot of 14 hours. Final edit...down to 537 photos. That's slightly under 50% keepers. A collegue of mine who is a pro football photographer has simular hit rates. A pro landscaper friend of mine has a keeper rate of well over 75%. This pray and spray behaviour supports my previous statement.

You're right. However, gear still matters.

Not really.

http://petapixel.com/2012/08/07/large-format-sports-photographer-seen-at-olympic-gymnastics/

 

[Krob78]

A photojournalist is looking for a visual narrative in every photo. That takes time, thought, observation, timing, skill and a bit of luck.
Landscapers are looking for the best light, this takes time, thought, observation, timing...and getting one's ass out of bed at inhumane times of the day / night.
Wildlife photographers are looking for perfect specimines doing interesting things with clear backgrounds. This takes time, thought, observation, timing and patience.
Sports....do I have to go on?
Natutrally there's a host of piccy grabbers who just pray and spray, picking out the successfull chance shots in post production....but that's not skill. Yes 12fps is helpful, but a lot of sports photographers I know still use 5 fps becuase they are good and judging the timing and don't want to fill their cards with time consuming throw aways.

My last wedding, I shot 1127 photographs. An all day shoot of 14 hours. Final edit...down to 537 photos. That's slightly under 50% keepers. A collegue of mine who is a pro football photographer has simular hit rates. A pro landscaper friend of mine has a keeper rate of well over 75%. This pray and spray behaviour supports my previous statement.

I'm still learning and my keeper rate is much lower than that. I wouldn't show even 5 percent of my shots. My reaction time is not fast enough to pick up the ideal wing position of small birds in flight so I have to rely on the camera burst mode. I like the idea of 10 (or more) fps in burst mode and lots of other bird photographers trying to keep up with those damn hummingbird wings seem to rely on the evil "spray and pray". Please tell me, how do I improve my reaction time by a factor of ten or more?

I shot this with my 7D at 8 fps. My girlfriend shot the same image with her Rebel XSi at around 3.5 fps. I did shoot it in a small burst, as did she.

Her images did not have this capture. She had one with the ball about 10' away from the glove and one with the player coming back down with the glove closed and facing away and the ball almost hitting the grass, yes he missed it... 8 fps made the difference. For some reason his parents liked this image better...

That being said, I'd have even more difficulty believing that someone can sit there and just take one shot and get this image. Can it happen, certainly. Will it happen for you? Unlikely... Most sports photographers and wildlife shooters are certainly using burst modes. It's not only that I want a bird in flight with his wings in the down position, I want them in the spread eagle position, the up position or perhaps that last second "all stop" mode when the bird sees a fish in the water at 100' up in the air and gets into that crazy, almost still mode as he looks down at his quarry.

Unless you can see what the bird sees or read his mind, you don't get that shot often times on purpose, unless you're just following the subject waiting for that move... and then you miss lots of other great images just waiting for that one.

I think it's ridiculous to think anyone shooting sports or wildlife photography should put their camera in single shot mode. That's what the technology is there for, use it... why wouldn't you? To suggest that it makes you any less of a photographer or that it's somehow evil or wrong is just plain ignorant. Unless of course you just can't get those shots with a nice burst rate any better than you can with one shot at a time... Then I guess you can say anything about it you want, pushes the attention away from one's self and to one's crappy gear...

Reminds me of the statement that someone put in one of these forums that we are not a fraction as capable as our cameras. How ridiculous. My camera can't snap one photo without me... It's totally incapable without me telling it what to do.. or turning it on... otherwise it just sits wherever I leave it, doing nothing... 12 fps would be great!

 

[Krob78]

A photojournalist is looking for a visual narrative in every photo. That takes time, thought, observation, timing, skill and a bit of luck.
Landscapers are looking for the best light, this takes time, thought, observation, timing...and getting one's ass out of bed at inhumane times of the day / night.
Wildlife photographers are looking for perfect specimines doing interesting things with clear backgrounds. This takes time, thought, observation, timing and patience.
Sports....do I have to go on?
Natutrally there's a host of piccy grabbers who just pray and spray, picking out the successfull chance shots in post production....but that's not skill. Yes 12fps is helpful, but a lot of sports photographers I know still use 5 fps becuase they are good and judging the timing and don't want to fill their cards with time consuming throw aways.

My last wedding, I shot 1127 photographs. An all day shoot of 14 hours. Final edit...down to 537 photos. That's slightly under 50% keepers. A collegue of mine who is a pro football photographer has simular hit rates. A pro landscaper friend of mine has a keeper rate of well over 75%. This pray and spray behaviour supports my previous statement.

You're right. However, gear still matters.

Not really.

http://petapixel.com/2012/08/07/large-format-sports-photographer-seen-at-olympic-gymnastics/

+1

 

[privatebydesign]

A photojournalist is looking for a visual narrative in every photo. That takes time, thought, observation, timing, skill and a bit of luck.
Landscapers are looking for the best light, this takes time, thought, observation, timing...and getting one's ass out of bed at inhumane times of the day / night.
Wildlife photographers are looking for perfect specimines doing interesting things with clear backgrounds. This takes time, thought, observation, timing and patience.
Sports....do I have to go on?
Natutrally there's a host of piccy grabbers who just pray and spray, picking out the successfull chance shots in post production....but that's not skill. Yes 12fps is helpful, but a lot of sports photographers I know still use 5 fps becuase they are good and judging the timing and don't want to fill their cards with time consuming throw aways.

My last wedding, I shot 1127 photographs. An all day shoot of 14 hours. Final edit...down to 537 photos. That's slightly under 50% keepers. A collegue of mine who is a pro football photographer has simular hit rates. A pro landscaper friend of mine has a keeper rate of well over 75%. This pray and spray behaviour supports my previous statement.

You're right. However, gear still matters.

Not really.

http://petapixel.com/2012/08/07/large-format-sports-photographer-seen-at-olympic-gymnastics/

What a naive thought. You don't think David uses his 4x5 to achieve a very specific look? His gear 100% matters. That he is going for a different image than the others in the press pit with their specific equipment needs seems to have passed you by.

A P&S wouldn't work for him either

 

[bdunbar79]

On to your second invalid point, who cares HOW I got the shot? Secondly, today I am getting far more shots than I did with previous models. I'm printing way more 8x10's and printing way cleaner files. Why is this so hard to understand?

I have not met a client who cares HOW I got the shot. They care that I got the shot. Do I spray and pray sometimes? Heck yes I do, because I get more great shots and sell more photos and make more money. I haven't heard a client go "well your shot is better but you used the spray and pray method and your competitor used 5 fps and used care and patience so we're buying his shot even though it's not quite as good." I agree with you that you should be skilled in composition and timing, however.

Being a smart photographer is also one who uses equipment that he/she knows how to use to help him/her get the highest quality shots that they can and even the MOST shots that they can. I bought a 1Dx because I knew it would give me cleaner files and a lot more of them. Yes I agree I need to know how to use the gear, and have the skill to use the gear, but all else equal (composition, creativity, etc.) it is nothing but the gear that is increasing my quality at this point. Maybe that will change, but that is the only thing in the last year.

 

[RLPhoto]

I love being devil's advocate. ;D

The gear doesn't matter, its just a matter of convenience. That's how I feel about equipment.

@PBD, If all I had was my P&S, Your darn right I'm going to use it.

 

[Loswr]

I love being devil's advocate. ;D

The gear doesn't matter, its just a matter of convenience. That's how I feel about equipment.

Fine, but a proper devil's advocate should present a cogent argument...otherwise, you're merely being contrary and argumentative.

 

[privatebydesign]

I love being devil's advocate. ;D

The gear doesn't matter, its just a matter of convenience. That's how I feel about equipment.

Fine, but a proper devil's advocate should present a cogent argument...otherwise, you're merely being contrary and argumentative.

Nailed it once again.............

 

[RLPhoto]

I love being devil's advocate. ;D

The gear doesn't matter, its just a matter of convenience. That's how I feel about equipment.

Fine, but a proper devil's advocate should present a cogent argument...otherwise, you're merely being contrary and argumentative.

Sure, Let's imagine that at said Olympics, your allowed to be anywhere at anytime but the catch is that your only had a 50mm and a 5Dc. Nothing more or less...

Who would get the better shots? The photographer standing in the convienent photo pit with $$$$$ in gear or the photog allowed anywhere at anytime? I'd put my money on the latter.

 

[dlleno]

hard to believe the implications here that becuse someone sprays they are also "just praying", as if a high fps was a crutch that real togs dont' need.