Official release of Nikon D850

[ErlendS]

If Canon do not see the writing on the wall soon, I do believe that they might become a victim of their own commercial tactics.

Oh, they've seen the writing - they clearly do not place much emphasis on it. As long as you keep buying Canon you are telling them they are doing just fine.

The 5DIV has been out for less than a year, so it is a recent acquisition for you - why do you suddenly feel 'screwed'? Why did you buy into the second best camera in the line-up while knowing it was so pitifully below your requirements? Why did you not buy a Sony with an adapter for Canon lenses? That would have been cheaper than the 5DIV.

I am not being awkward here, but I am genuinely interested in the thinking of someone who so clearly disappointed in Canon as a company yet still buys their gear.

I bought the 5DIV as soon as it was released, after having waited for it for a long time. I feel screewed because I trusted Canon's marketing and expected to buy the ideal all-round hybrid camera.

I am probably guilty of not doing enough research on the camera before making the purchase, but I was simply to naive to be able to comprehend that Canon would deliberatly hold back on features only due to commercial and financial considerations.

The camera is a great stills camera, but I was not aware of the effect that the AA filter would have on landscape photography. So it is not as fantastic for this purpose as I thought.

Canon started the DSLR video trend, so I would never have guessed that they would include an useless 4K codec with a substantial crop. I just relied on the Canon markering stating that it did indeed do 4K. I am no expert so it is not that easy to understand the significance of the technical data presented.

I have a lot of Canon glass and equipment, and the glass will not work well on a Sony with an adapter. If the AF works at all, it is slow and unreliable. I have tried. So if I should choose to change to Sony or Nikon, I would choose to go for native-lenses and sell off my Canon gear.

For my next camera house upgrade I will obviously do more research and await more reviews before making the purchase. But I am still a Canon-fanboy, hoping that they will change their approach to the market and come up with more complete cameras.

 

[jtjc]

As an owner of the 5diii, 5div, and 6dii. I cannot help but feel disappointed at Canon. This d850 is the same price as my 5D IV which is not even 1 year old. And it completely wipe the floor with the 5div. This is my own opinion, but the D850 is like having the 5Dsr, 5div, and 7dii all in 1 camera. It will have the 5D autofocus which is better than even the 1dx II in most test. On top of that you'll get 9fps with the grip, tilt screen which is EXTREMELY useful, i can't tell you how many times i wish my 5div has a touch screen. And 4k with no crop. Speed, high iso Image quality, dynamic range, resolution, features, this camera has it all. Matter of fact the only thing that my 5d iv have over this D850 is dual pixel auto focus. which I love and do use a lot. But really that is it. Between the 6dii and this, i'm just sooo disappointed with Canon. I like the 6dii but man there are some CRIPPLING decisions on Canon part that makes the experience frustrating. The only light at the end of the tunnel is that this will wake Canon up and the next release will be better. Not gonna do me any good since i'm stuck with my 5div and 6dii for the next few years.

 

[OSOK]

I wonder what Canon users reactions would be to this hypothetical announcement:

Introducing the all new, 5DSR Mark II

55 MP, 9 FPS with battery grip, 14 stops DR via BSI with on chip ADC, CFast & UHS-II, true 1DX2 AF system, tilt touch screen, 4K video with no crop factor, outputting 4.2.2 with decent codec, no AA filter -- price $3,300.

I think they would probably pass out from excitement compared to what they've been offered. Of course, this is a fantasy scenario for a Canon release, but a REALITY for Nikon users.

 

[Mikehit]

How true....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GflhBUSpdQ

 

[Talys]

I wonder what Canon users reactions would be to this hypothetical announcement:

Introducing the all new, 5DSR Mark II

55 MP, 9 FPS with battery grip, 14 stops DR via BSI with on chip ADC, CFast & UHS-II, true 1DX2 AF system, tilt touch screen, 4K video with no crop factor, outputting 4.2.2 with decent codec, no AA filter -- price $3,300.

I think they would probably pass out from excitement compared to what they've been offered. Of course, this is a fantasy scenario for a Canon release, but a REALITY for Nikon users.

There's no question it would be exciting as an offering, but it wouldn't change two things:

1. Pretty much everyone here that shoots Canon and enjoys it has said the D850 sounds really awesome, so why wouldn't it be pretty awesome if Canon had a camera with the same sort of features, too? But that doesn't mean that these people are necessarily going to run out and buy it (either one), even if they can afford it.

2. The people who don't shoot 4k with their 5D4 still won't shoot 4k. The people who don't shoot any video won't care about any of the video stuff. The people who don't want to spend $3,000+ on a body will still won't want to spend $3,000+ on a body. The people who don't need 7FPS still won't need 9FPS. The people who scream "no tilt screen" (weather sealing, all that) won't be happy that there's a tilt screen.

So taking #2 into account, PERSONALLY, I would ask, "What does the 5DSRII do for shooting the kind of stills I like to shoot, and am I willing to pay $1,300 more for it over 6DII?"

If the difference is 0.5EV of DR, the answer is most certainly, no.

If the difference is that I will have a lot more photos in focus using the AF system, the answer is maybe. Specifically, I'd ask two questions:

First, how good can the camera focus on moving birds against a busy background, and keep the bird in focus as it moves across a busy background?

Second, in a studio with sufficient lighting, if I mount the camera on the tripod and use autofocus on a still subject and a remote trigger, set it to f/8 or f/11, am I happy with the autofocus on 100% of the photos, or do I still need to MF in liveviewx10 to ensure perfect focus on the "correct" parts of the subject?


Frankly... I'm more excited by things like RT flash system than I am about marginal DR I won't use, video I won't use, FPS I won't use, etc.

How true....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GflhBUSpdQ

That's a great video Everyone who has gear envy should watch it! He's hilarious, lol.

 

[Larsskv]

It has been mentioned elsewhere on this post but had the D850 been the Canon 8D, we would've been over the moon with joy.

Disagree. 5Ds, 5DsR, 5D4 owners all complain about investment in camera because now less.

One can do in the Nikon D850 everything that you need two Canon bodies to do. That for me is every reason why a D850-esque body would've gone down a storm with Canon users.
Even if it meant purchasing the grip, you stil end up with more camera for less

I disagree. I have the 5Ds and the 1DXII. I use the 1DXII far more, and an important reason why is the fewer megapixels. Having superior ISO performance and smaller file sizes (faster and easier editing, far less storage space) is for most situations much preferable compared to higher resolution. (And the ISO on the 5Ds is ok if you apply noise reduction and saves at reduced resolution-but it requires more work).

If I had to chose and only have one camera, I would prefer it to have 30 megapixels.

Personally, I would hate having 45 megapixels in a high fps body. Sorting through and picking the keepers after a shoot would be a time consuming pain. Therefore, I would only very rarely use a D850 for high fps tasks. The strength of the D850 specs that some of the people in here rave about, would therefore be wasted on me.

So, thank you Canon for the do it all 5DIV, and for offering a high resolution body when needed, and for not having it all in one camera. It costs more, but makes life easier.

 

[privatebydesign]

I wonder what Canon users reactions would be to this hypothetical announcement:

Introducing the all new, 5DSR Mark II

55 MP, 9 FPS with battery grip, 14 stops DR via BSI with on chip ADC, CFast & UHS-II, true 1DX2 AF system, tilt touch screen, 4K video with no crop factor, outputting 4.2.2 with decent codec, no AA filter -- price $3,300.

I think they would probably pass out from excitement compared to what they've been offered. Of course, this is a fantasy scenario for a Canon release, but a REALITY for Nikon users.

I'd buy one to compliment my other Canon gear. I'd also know that forum dicks would point out how far it is behind the Nikon/Sony/Olympus equivalent, or whatever model designation they can find, to make a senseless point.

 

[Talys]

Personally, I would hate having 45 megapixels in a high fps body. Sorting through and picking the keepers after a shoot would be a time consuming pain. Therefore, I would only very rarely use a D850 for high fps tasks. The strength of the D850 specs that some of the people in here rave about, would therefore be wasted on me.

Yes, I'm not sure anyone who raves about 45 megapixels and 9fps has ever gone through even 2 minutes worth of shooting. That's over 1,000 photos and about a full 64GB memory card.

Forget about everything else -- just to sort through which photos are in focus will take forever, because you have 10 copies of everything and 60MB RAW files are a pain to go from blurry preview to fully loaded - just to check focus.

I'm not sure what percentage of people who claim 4k video is a must-have, have actually edited 4k video. It's a painfully long, tedious process, and the file sizes for relatively short videos are massive.


Personally, I think 20-30 megapixels is ideal for most things. I think that unless you need to print a billboard, if 20-30 isn't enough megapixels, you will probably get better results by using a different lens or moving closer than by upping the megapixel count.

I have often thought that it would be wonderful if I owned a 5DSR and could shoot wildlife properly in its crop mode; then I could get out of having an APSC. But the reality of it is that OVF doesn't magnify the cropped portion in the viewfinder, so I wouldn't be happy with it, and at the end of the day, if I'm going to discard everything but the center half of out of 600mm, I'm better off shooting it with APSC.

 

[OSOK]

Nikon now offers Medium and Small RAW.

If file size is a big problem, MRAW comes in around 25 MP which is quite ideal. But you keep the option to shoot high resolution 45 MP images if the need arises.

Canon has had MRaw for a long time. Problem is, with the 5D Mark 4, you max out at 30mp with an AA filter. No option to go higher. With the 5DSR, you can go smaller in size, but you lose out on speed, dynamic range and ISO performance. If I recall, it maxes out at 5fps, is around 12 stops of DR, and 6400 ISO.

D850 does it all, in one body - at no extra cost. And you're not stuck with a massive data workflow if you don't want it.

 

[Jeffrey]

I have a Nikon D810 and enjoy shooting the camera immensely. The one thing it lacks is a fast fps, otherwise the camera is fantastic.

Will I purchase a D850? To be honest, not right away. I haven't seen a compelling reason to do so. I might skip a generation in this series and then consider the investment. Meanwhile I'm shooting as much as I can, say 3 days a week for at least part of the day.

 

[Ryananthony]

I have a Nikon D810 and enjoy shooting the camera immensely. The one thing it lacks is a fast fps, otherwise the camera is fantastic.

Will I purchase a D850? To be honest, not right away. I haven't seen a compelling reason to do so. I might skip a generation in this series and then consider the investment. Meanwhile I'm shooting as much as I can, say 3 days a week for at least part of the day.

I have a question if you don't mind. On my 1dx, I use back button focus using the AF-ON button. I use the asterisk beside it for recall custom functions. (ex, ''AF-ON'' - manual f8, 1/1000, ISO 1000 and then, ''*'' - AV, f2.8, 1/250, auto ISO. etc)
This ability has become a life saver. Is there a similar function on the d810 or D5 (if you know) that something similar is possible? I notice there is only an AF-ON button on the back of the D810

 

[applecider]

Snoke you want an investment buy a stock, all cameras or 99.999% are going to lose value with time.

Or if you want a camera like "investment" buy a boat. ;D

Buying full frame lenses may be future planning, but not an investment. Maybe it is a language thing about the word investment.

 

[SecureGSM]

Not so meaningless if you consider that at least some RAW editors do not support m-raw and s-raw formats .

I wonder why?


Does DxO OpticsPro support mRAW or sRAW format ?

CANON : sRAW and mRAW formats are not supported.
NIKON : sRAW (Small RAW) format is not supported.

https://support.dxo.com/hc/en-us/articles/219346717-Does-DxO-OpticsPro-support-mRAW-or-sRAW-format-

Such a pointless and meaningless post If you don't like 45mp of d850, just shoot mraw about 27mp!

But yes, pointless posts like these from blind fan boys make me laugh. So thanks for that.

 

[Larsskv]

Not so meaningless if you consider that at least some RAW editors do not support m-raw and s-raw formats .

I wonder why?


Does DxO OpticsPro support mRAW or sRAW format ?

CANON : sRAW and mRAW formats are not supported.
NIKON : sRAW (Small RAW) format is not supported.

https://support.dxo.com/hc/en-us/articles/219346717-Does-DxO-OpticsPro-support-mRAW-or-sRAW-format-

Such a pointless and meaningless post If you don't like 45mp of d850, just shoot mraw about 27mp!

But yes, pointless posts like these from blind fan boys make me laugh. So thanks for that.

I did try the mraw on my 5Ds. It did hurt the image quality, and as far as I remember the files were not faster to work with in Lightroom. I have no reason to believe mraw from the D850 would be any better.

I guess the trolls in here don't care about reality.

 

[CanonGuy]

Not so meaningless if you consider that at least some RAW editors do not support m-raw and s-raw formats .

I wonder why?


Does DxO OpticsPro support mRAW or sRAW format ?

CANON : sRAW and mRAW formats are not supported.
NIKON : sRAW (Small RAW) format is not supported.

https://support.dxo.com/hc/en-us/articles/219346717-Does-DxO-OpticsPro-support-mRAW-or-sRAW-format-

Such a pointless and meaningless post If you don't like 45mp of d850, just shoot mraw about 27mp!

But yes, pointless posts like these from blind fan boys make me laugh. So thanks for that.

Who cares about those Raw editors? Like 0.76% users?

Sorry but yours is another pointless post.

 

[CanonGuy]

Not so meaningless if you consider that at least some RAW editors do not support m-raw and s-raw formats .

I wonder why?


Does DxO OpticsPro support mRAW or sRAW format ?

CANON : sRAW and mRAW formats are not supported.
NIKON : sRAW (Small RAW) format is not supported.

https://support.dxo.com/hc/en-us/articles/219346717-Does-DxO-OpticsPro-support-mRAW-or-sRAW-format-

Such a pointless and meaningless post If you don't like 45mp of d850, just shoot mraw about 27mp!

But yes, pointless posts like these from blind fan boys make me laugh. So thanks for that.

I did try the mraw on my 5Ds. It did hurt the image quality, and as far as I remember the files were not faster to work with in Lightroom. I have no reason to believe mraw from the D850 would be any better.

I guess the trolls in here don't care about reality.

So yum are claiming that mraw being half the size of raw, didn't speed up the Lightroom process but processing d850 files will take longer as the size is larger? Totally makes sense man...

 

[Larsskv]

Not so meaningless if you consider that at least some RAW editors do not support m-raw and s-raw formats .

I wonder why?


Does DxO OpticsPro support mRAW or sRAW format ?

CANON : sRAW and mRAW formats are not supported.
NIKON : sRAW (Small RAW) format is not supported.

https://support.dxo.com/hc/en-us/articles/219346717-Does-DxO-OpticsPro-support-mRAW-or-sRAW-format-

Such a pointless and meaningless post If you don't like 45mp of d850, just shoot mraw about 27mp!

But yes, pointless posts like these from blind fan boys make me laugh. So thanks for that.

I did try the mraw on my 5Ds. It did hurt the image quality, and as far as I remember the files were not faster to work with in Lightroom. I have no reason to believe mraw from the D850 would be any better.

I guess the trolls in here don't care about reality.

So yum are claiming that mraw being half the size of raw, didn't speed up the Lightroom process but processing d850 files will take longer as the size is larger? Totally makes sense man...

Yes, that is what I claim. I haven't tried it in almost two years, so the software may have improved since then. I remember being tempted about the mraw possibility, but was disappointed with it, and never tried it again since.

 

[snoke]

Snoke you want an investment buy a stock, all cameras or 99.999% are going to lose value with time.

I agree! Others not.

Or if you want a camera like "investment" buy a boat. ;D

Buy boat like buy plane

Buying full frame lenses may be future planning, but not an investment.

No, you right 100%

 

[Talys]

Buying full frame lenses may be future planning, but not an investment.

No, you right 100%

Yes... no... sort of

Here's an example:

Option #1 buy a EF 100 L 2.8 macro for about $800 today.
Option #2 buy a EFS 60 2.8 macro for about $350 today.

5 years from now, the EF 100 L 2.8 macro easily will sell for $600.
5 years from now, the EFS 60 L 2.8 macro will take so long to sell that you'll give up. People will offer you $50-$100, and you'll just decide to keep it.

There's one other factor, too. If you're willing to buy used, there are a ton of great high-end EF lenses, and a ton of great really cheap EFS zooms. But there aren't very many of the high-end EFS lenses (like 17-55 2.8 or 60 L 2.8) available. If you buy really good L lenses used at the right time (a 2-3 years into the life cycle), you can lose almost nothing if you sell them at the right time (7-8 years into the life cycle).

In practical terms, yes, they'll almost always sell for less than you bough them for. But sometimes, the best investment choice is a loss minimization strategy.

 

[SecureGSM]

stop jumping at forum members. there is a point in friendly interaction with other forum members, for starters.

there is an important difference between RAW and mraw, sraw files.

"...Unlike a full RAW file, the sRAW and mRAW files are not true RAW files..."

here is why:

http://protogtech.com/adobe-lightroom/canons-mraw-sraw-formats-and-dng/

Who cares about those Raw editors? Like 0.76% users?

Sorry but yours is another pointless post.