One other hoped-for feature on the 7D2

[20Dave]

In order to keep my shutter speed fast (for my 400mm lens without IS) and an F-stop a little less than wide open for a greater depth of field, I need to set the camera to manual. With those two settings fixed, in order to adjust the exposure, I need to manually adjust the ISO.

With auto-ISO enabled, the Manual camera setting isn't really fully manual. It would be great if the camera allowed exposure compensation for the "not quite manual" setting where shutter and f/stop were fixed but ISO was automatic. [BTW, let me know if this is already a feature and I missed it somehow.]

 

[luckydude]

On my 5DIII this just works. What body are you using?

Edit: nevermind, I misunderstood what you wanted (thought it was just auto iso but you want to over/under expose).

 

[Loswr]

Recent bodies, I believe including the 70D (not certain) have a functional Auto ISO in M mode (although only the 1D X allows EC in that case). I expect the 7DII will have it as well.

 

[stefsan]

With auto-ISO enabled, the Manual camera setting isn't really fully manual. It would be great if the camera allowed exposure compensation for the "not quite manual" setting where shutter and f/stop were fixed but ISO was automatic.

+1
I miss this functionality on my 7D as well…

 

[IslanderMV]

Auto ISO works on the 60D and 7D in manual mode.

 

[crashpc]

This is kinda schisophrenic, to put some of settings in manual mode to auto mode, and then still with manual mode wanting other settings to compensate for this mixture. You really don´t know what you want, right?
You can do what you want in AV or TV modes. With manual, you are in charge, you have nothing to compensate, and if they allowed some glitch or stupid customers request of auto ISO at manual mode, than it will be everything messed up.

 

[Orangutan]

Auto ISO works on the 60D and 7D in manual mode.

Almost. EC doesn't work for auto-ISO on my 60D.

 

[Loswr]

This is kinda schisophrenic, to put some of settings in manual mode to auto mode, and then still with manual mode wanting other settings to compensate for this mixture. You really don´t know what you want, right?
You can do what you want in AV or TV modes. With manual, you are in charge, you have nothing to compensate, and if they allowed some glitch or stupid customers request of auto ISO at manual mode, than it will be everything messed up.

Couldn't disagree more. M mode with Auto ISO is like aperture and shutter priority. I select the DoF I need and the necessary shutter speed to stop (or show) motion, and I get a metered exposure in rapidly changing light. Being able to apply EC to bias the metering is plus.

 

[IslanderMV]

Auto ISO works on the 60D and 7D in manual mode.

Almost. EC doesn't work for auto-ISO on my 60D.

True, But I did not say the 60D had EC. Actually, I was corroborating neuro's statement "Recent bodies, I believe including the 70D (not certain) have a functional Auto ISO in M mode".

In my style of shooting there have been rare instances where overriding the metering system for backlighting might have been helpful - otherwise manual with auto ISO and a carefully selected metering mode gets you very close in functionality.

 

[Orangutan]

Auto ISO works on the 60D and 7D in manual mode.

Almost. EC doesn't work for auto-ISO on my 60D.

True, But I did not say the 60D had EC. Actually, I was corroborating neuro's statement "Recent bodies, I believe including the 70D (not certain) have a functional Auto ISO in M mode".

In my my style of shooting there have been rare instances where overriding the metering system for backlighting might have been helpful - otherwise manual with auto ISO and a carefully selected metering mode gets you very close in functionality.

Didn't mean to criticize, just putting in my 2 cents. I've been trying to use my 60D for birds; for that, Manual + AutoISO + EC would be very helpful.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

This is kinda schisophrenic, to put some of settings in manual mode to auto mode, and then still with manual mode wanting other settings to compensate for this mixture. You really don´t know what you want, right?
You can do what you want in AV or TV modes. With manual, you are in charge, you have nothing to compensate, and if they allowed some glitch or stupid customers request of auto ISO at manual mode, than it will be everything messed up.

Couldn't disagree more. M mode with Auto ISO is like aperture and shutter priority. I select the DoF I need and the necessary shutter speed to stop (or show) motion, and I get a metered exposure in rapidly changing light. Being able to apply EC to bias the metering is plus.

+1

Canon is late to the show on this one, as usual. Its a hugely nice feature that you cannot get with TV or AV

 

[20Dave]

On my 5DIII this just works. What body are you using?

I have a 5DIII also. Sorry for my poorly worded initial post as well as going offline for 8 hours after posting (post-and-run...).

I think that eventually people understood what I was getting at. I know that I can shoot in M mode with a fixed shutter, fixed f/stop, and auto-ISO. However, EC isn't an option in that setting. I double-checked the user manual and it says that "exposure compensation can be set in the P/Tv/Av shooting modes". All that I'm hoping for in upcoming cameras is to add M* to the supported modes for exposure compensation, where M* = M with auto-ISO enabled.

I guess that the thinking is that if you are in M, then the two dials would most often be used to adjust the shutter speed and the f/stop, so you run out of dials to adjust EC.

 

[telemaq76]

you can do that only on 1dx and maybe other 1d series body but not sure, maybe 1d4

Auto-iso works great on 5d3 but there in no EC and i agree it s a lack. I often needed it for indoor sport photography.

 

[scottkinfw]

I understand what you mean, and it is not schizophrenic. I have wished this feature myself, and I usually shoot manual. It would be really nice to be sure.

sek

On my 5DIII this just works. What body are you using?

I have a 5DIII also. Sorry for my poorly worded initial post as well as going offline for 8 hours after posting (post-and-run...).

I think that eventually people understood what I was getting at. I know that I can shoot in M mode with a fixed shutter, fixed f/stop, and auto-ISO. However, EC isn't an option in that setting. I double-checked the user manual and it says that "exposure compensation can be set in the P/Tv/Av shooting modes". All that I'm hoping for in upcoming cameras is to add M* to the supported modes for exposure compensation, where M* = M with auto-ISO enabled.

I guess that the thinking is that if you are in M, then the two dials would most often be used to adjust the shutter speed and the f/stop, so you run out of dials to adjust EC.

 

[alexanderferdinand]

Auto- ISO WITH EC:
Strange thing: I don`t miss that on my Canons, but on my Fuji X100s....

 

[tapanit]

All that I'm hoping for in upcoming cameras is to add M* to the supported modes for exposure compensation, where M* = M with auto-ISO enabled.

I guess that the thinking is that if you are in M, then the two dials would most often be used to adjust the shutter speed and the f/stop, so you run out of dials to adjust EC.

Some cameras, notably including Ricoh GR which I happen to own, have a separate "TAv" mode, which is basically "M with auto ISO and exposure compensation", whereas in regular M mode you can't set ISO to auto at all. A bit strange perhaps, but works. More important though is that it does have enough dials for shutter speed, aperture and exposure compensation, re-purposing a rocker button that's usually used for ISO setting in other modes (which of course also makes changing ISO harder, requiring at least one extra button press).

Thinking of Canon's ergonomics, I guess EC in M would have to be behind some button-plus-dial combination, or especially if they add a separate TAv mode, either shutter speed or aperture could be done that way and EC directly (ideally customizable any way you like).

 

[Vossie]

I miss this feature too and its a reason why I only rarely shoot in M-auto ISO. With the current design of the Canon bodies it will be difficult to implement as you would need a 3rd control dial to quickly change the 3 parameters (Av, T and EC).

 

[FEBS]

I miss this feature too and its a reason why I only rarely shoot in M-auto ISO. With the current design of the Canon bodies it will be difficult to implement as you would need a 3rd control dial to quickly change the 3 parameters (Av, T and EC).

This was one of the reasons I bought a 1dx which has EC on M with auto-ISO. The feature is really simple to implement my opinion, as it is only firmware in the body. This feature was only added in one of the latest firmware updates for the 1dx. It's very easy to access form the display frm the backside. Also with all the possibilities for the button on the 1dx you might always be able to find a solution for direct access this EC.

By the way: great feature for all those shooting action like sports and wildlife.

 

[pknight]

Auto ISO with EC is one feature that I truly hope is on the new model. I have my 7D set for +2/3 EC wherever possible, as the default exposure is consistently dark. With my new Tamron 150-600 I want to keep the shutter speed high (1/1000 sec max) and the f-stop shut down a bit. Manual with Auto-ISO works fine with this setup, except that I cannot dial in the EC I want.

This is also why I hope that the high ISO IQ of the new model is improved. My setup will select some pretty high ISOs, and EC would push that even further. The 150-600 is a lens for good light, but better high ISO performance would extend its useful range a bit.

 

[Old Sarge]

I have read complaints about not having EC using auto ISO in a manual mode and I usually considered it a silly argument, probably because of my age and being a film user for three fourths (plus) of my life. Reading this discussion has changed my attitude. Although I am primarily a TV man (and have been since my Canon F-1), I can really see using manual mode with auto ISO if EC were available much of the time. But the EC would have to be easy to set, a wheel or rocker arm would seem to be best but there isn't really enough real estate for another wheel on most bodies. Solve that problem and I think it is a good idea I would like to see implemented. How does the 1DX do it?