Owning the Canon 200-400 f/4L Vs 400 f/2.8L II

[Moody Blues]

When the 200-400 lens becomes available I will be purchasing it or the 400 2.8 prime. The delima of which of these 2 lenses would be more effective is making me mad.

The versatility of the 200-400 with the built in ext will be excellent. To think, though, that with the 1.4X and 2X ext gives you 3 incredibly useful focal lengths is equally incredible.

Owning the 70-200 f/2.8 II and using both ext's on it often, I think that the 200 to 280mm range of the 200-400 would go unused much of the time.

I have owed the 600 f/4 300 f/2.8 and the 200 f/2. Of all of those lenses, the 300 f/2.8 was my favorite.

Has anyone else given this much thought?

 

[untitled10]

With the 2x converter you would lose any usable auto focus

 

[Moody Blues]

With the 2x converter you would lose any usable auto focus

Where do you find that info? Page 79 of the 1DX manual classifies the 400 f/2.8L II with 2X Ext in Group E giving the combination Cross Type AF across the 3X7 Center focus points and Some AF across the rest of the points.

 

[untitled10]

2x converter on the 200-400 sorry ^.^

 

[Moody Blues]

2x converter on the 200-400 sorry ^.^

I should have asked rather than assumed... Yes, true.

 

[preppyak]

Obviously it'll be impossible to say until it gets released (or at least spec'd in full), but the advantages the 200-400 have probably don't counter the 400 2.8. The big advantage of the 200-400 is obviously convenience, you can go from 200 to 560 without changing lenses, and likely with little optical compromise. But, the 400 prime allows you to create an 800 f/5.6 with the extenders you already have.

Both are probably gonna be around the same weight, relatively speaking (8ish lbs). Both are gonna cost about the same. If you're not gonna use the <300 end, then it seems like the 400 prime is the way to go. Especially since you could have it today, rather than wait who knows how long

 

[robbymack]

you lose light over the 200, 300, and 400 primes, but the 200-400 adds versatility to a fairly broad range from 200-560 which is really interesting and certainly the cause for strife to anyone who can afford it's price tag.

 

[Loswr]

Let me rephrase the original question: "Help me decide between buying the 2013 Porsche Carrera S and the Honda Hybrid Self-Driving Hovercar." Given Canon's recent track record of lens delays, we may actually see that hovercar before the 200-400mm lens.

 

[charlesa]

Why not go for a 400 mm f/2.8 L IS prime? Their price should come down now that version II is out, and the 200-400 will cost way more, and can one really comment on its IQ and sharpness prior to anyone ever seen or tested on in the wild? If it has the image quality of the 70-200 mm f/2.8 II then it would be a stunner of a lens, but at what price?

I was recently stuck in the same conundrum, until I found a second hand 400 for sale, pristine condition, tried it on a 1D-X (including with a 2x TC III) and was blown away.

 

[TrumpetPower!]

It's really going to depend on what you're shooting and how you're shooting it.

The 200-400 is going to be more of a general-purpose jack-of-all-trades type of lens. If you need to shoot at shorter than 400, and especially if you need to rapidly change focal lengths, that's the lens.

On the other hand, f/4 is slow, and f/5.6 (with the TC) is very slow. The 400 doesn't get as slow as f/5.6 until you put on the 2x, and then it's all the way to 800 mm. If you'll be shooting primarily at the long end of the 200-400 range, especially if you'll be using that teleconverter a lot, the 400 will easily be the winner.

In other words, go with the zoom if you're mostly looking for a lens that goes up to 400 mm, and especially if you'll only be shooting in good light. Go with the prime if you're mostly looking for a lens that starts at 400, and especially if you'll sometimes be shooting in questionable light.

Chances are, since you're seriously considering the 400, that's the lens for you.

Cheers,

b&

 

[Bob Howland]

I own the 300 f/2.8 and use it regularly with both TCs to shoot field sports and motorsports, typically in daylight. The focal length flexibility of the 200-400 zoom is much more important to me than the lost of an f-stop.

However, if the $13,000 rumored price for the 200-400 is true and Nikon introduces the D400 that is rumored, I may buy the Nikon 200-400, a 1.4x TC and a D400 body for a couple thousand dollars less that the Canon lens alone.

 

[Kernuak]

I was able to try out the 200-400 at Focus on Imaging in March and it is very handholdable. In fact it felt very much like holding my 300 f/2.8. It probably is a little heavier, but it was well balanced (at least on the 1D MkIV it was coupled to). I would say it is going to be lighter than the 400 f/2.8 MkII, although I can't say that from any experience. Then it comes down to how much using a 1.4x or 2x extender slows the AF down on the prime, compared to the built in extender on the 200-400 and cost differential (if there is one).

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Let me rephrase the original question: "Help me decide between buying the 2013 Porsche Carrera S and the Honda Hybrid Self-Driving Hovercar." Given Canon's recent track record of lens delays, we may actually see that hovercar before the 200-400mm lens.

I'll probably winn the lottery first, and I don't even enter it.

 

[bdunbar79]

Why not go for a 400 mm f/2.8 L IS prime? Their price should come down now that version II is out, and the 200-400 will cost way more, and can one really comment on its IQ and sharpness prior to anyone ever seen or tested on in the wild? If it has the image quality of the 70-200 mm f/2.8 II then it would be a stunner of a lens, but at what price?

I was recently stuck in the same conundrum, until I found a second hand 400 for sale, pristine condition, tried it on a 1D-X (including with a 2x TC III) and was blown away.

I agree. I'm not so sure I really need the flexibility of the 200-400 range. When I shoot specifically in that range, I have 300 f/2.8 and 400 f/2.8 each on a different camera. If I go cautious I only bring the 300 and then crop if need be. Indoor sports my two money lenses are the 135L and 200 f/2L. I can use the 70-200L in indoor sports because that seems more of a flexible range to me.

 

[KitsVancouver]

When the 200-400 lens becomes available I will be purchasing it or the 400 2.8 prime. The delima of which of these 2 lenses would be more effective is making me mad.

The versatility of the 200-400 with the built in ext will be excellent. To think, though, that with the 1.4X and 2X ext gives you 3 incredibly useful focal lengths is equally incredible.

Owning the 70-200 f/2.8 II and using both ext's on it often, I think that the 200 to 280mm range of the 200-400 would go unused much of the time.

I have owed the 600 f/4 300 f/2.8 and the 200 f/2. Of all of those lenses, the 300 f/2.8 was my favorite.

Has anyone else given this much thought?

Ever since the 200-400 was announced, I've given this a lot of thought. I have young kids that will be going into field sports very soon so I've been planning on a big lens for a while.

I personally don't think I will ever shoot longer than 400mm so for me, it's the 200-400 or the 400. Since both are going to be in the same range, price doesn't play a factor for me.

I'm leaning towards the 200-400 because of the versatility. If the IQ difference is too great, however, I'll get the 400mm. If there is very little difference, then I think I can lose the light/speed and go for the 200-400.

I guess what I don't have experience or knowledge on is the difference in background blur between the two lenses. That could play a role so I'd love to see someone shoot the 400mm at both 2.8 and 4.0 and post the photos.

 

[DavidRiesenberg]

Check http://www.the-digital-picture.com/ for their review of the 400. They have an image comparing background blur.

 

[Moody Blues]

Ever since the 200-400 was announced, I've given this a lot of thought. I have young kids that will be going into field sports very soon so I've been planning on a big lens for a while.

I personally don't think I will ever shoot longer than 400mm so for me, it's the 200-400 or the 400. Since both are going to be in the same range, price doesn't play a factor for me.

I'm leaning towards the 200-400 because of the versatility. If the IQ difference is too great, however, I'll get the 400mm. If there is very little difference, then I think I can lose the light/speed and go for the 200-400.

I guess what I don't have experience or knowledge on is the difference in background blur between the two lenses. That could play a role so I'd love to see someone shoot the 400mm at both 2.8 and 4.0 and post the photos.

You and I are in the exact same boat... I too want to get a lens for my kids sports.

I don't know if I will get back into it, but I used to shoot some for the larger sportfishing mags and I used my 300 2.8 for jumping sailfish and marlin. I will say that the 200-400 would be an absolutely killer lens for that use since a fish can be 20-120 yds from a boat in a matter of seconds. Having the 200-400 on one body and the new 24-70 on another body would be a heavenly match.

 

[dlleno]

IQ of the Canon 200-400 will be interesting to see. For kicks and giggles, go out to the-digital-picture.com and compare the Canon 400 f/2.8 at 560mm/1.4x and the Nikon 200-400 f/4 at 560mm/1.4x. not a fair comparison, to be sure, but the Canon sure spanks!

 

[FarQinell]

When the 200-400 lens becomes available I will be purchasing it or the 400 2.8 prime. The delima of which of these 2 lenses would be more effective is making me mad.

The versatility of the 200-400 with the built in ext will be excellent. To think, though, that with the 1.4X and 2X ext gives you 3 incredibly useful focal lengths is equally incredible.

Has anyone else given this much thought?

It all depends whether the 200-400 is usefully very sharp at 560/5.6.

From the ISO 12233 test charts we know that the new 400/2.8 is very sharp at 560 - even at f4 or half a stop beyond - with the 1.4 TC and it is much lighter than the previous model. It is also likely to be substantially cheaper than the 200-400.

Close call! We'll know in a few weeks!

If the 560/5.6 works we may see the next models of the big whites all fitted with built in TC - with stratospheric price tags!

 

[Mick]

Same problem for me. I shoot motorsport and wildlife mostly. I had to sell the 500f4 and 300 f2.8 and made a nice profit, sold some other gear and pared down what i own.

I studied my meta data and looked to see what i actually shoot at. What i discovered is, i used the 500 a lot, never used a converter for extra length, shot at f4 a lot mainly due to less than impressive high ISO performance from the 7D (bought a MK4) For the 300 i never used f2.8 a great deal, shot only motorsport with it, hand held, and on occassion used a 1x4 converter. So in looking for a new lens im after.....

A lens that covers 300 to 500, will be shot at f4 a lot but on occassion steped down a little, that i can attach a full frame 1DS3 to a MK4 or 7D also for extra length. The 200-400 fits the bill perfectly.

So id think what you take pics of, study the meta data, do you need that extra stop of light especially with the new cameras ISO performance, do you need a bit more bokeh, will your eye notice any slight differance in sharpness between the lens's at sizes you print, will you use converters. Lots of questions but for what i do, the new lens fits the bill perfectly. And i wont miss shots changing my lens. I can also bet my savings it will be pin sharp with the converter.

That said......if its to expensive ill buy a new 500 and a used 300 f4.

Mick