neuroanatomist said:ecka said:
So, others should pay for your personal wish litany of features, it's ok because they don't have to use them.
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ecka said:Epaminonda said:ecka said:
CF slot are very fragile with all those pins, i saw plenty of cameras with bended pins and so the card was impossibile to insert, i wonder why they still put such a dumb mechanical sh*t on professional cameras, SD slots are way more safe and less prone to be damaged, when the first 6D went out (i was coming from 5D MK II) i was SO happy it had SD cards
So you see, everybody really has his own tastes...
I think that depends on where these people are buying their cards (could be fake, badly made with poor precision) and if their "hands are growing from the right place"
"But Honey, I was getting it for you".....eosuser1234 said:No matter how hard I try to explain the need of 6dm2 to my lady, she brings up the following valid points:
Increase in MP= Yeah, but its not really that big of jump. :-\
Increase in focus points = Your 7Dm2 has 65
DPAF= Yeah, but your 7Dm2 already has that.
Increase in 6.5FPS= Your 7Dm2 does 10FPS. Besides, you like the 1.6x APS-C for extra length, right?
Swivel LCD= You said you need this for astro, but thats why I bought you the angle finder C.
Game over. Probably not gonna upgrade on this one.
eosuser1234 said:No matter how hard I try to explain the need of 6dm2 to my lady, she brings up the following valid points:
Increase in MP= Yeah, but its not really that big of jump. :-\
Increase in focus points = Your 7Dm2 has 65
DPAF= Yeah, but your 7Dm2 already has that.
Increase in 6.5FPS= Your 7Dm2 does 10FPS. Besides, you like the 1.6x APS-C for extra length, right?
Swivel LCD= You said you need this for astro, but thats why I bought you the angle finder C.
Game over. Probably not gonna upgrade on this one.
eosuser1234 said:No matter how hard I try to explain the need of 6dm2 to my lady, she brings up the following valid points:
Increase in MP= Yeah, but its not really that big of jump. :-\
Increase in focus points = Your 7Dm2 has 65
DPAF= Yeah, but your 7Dm2 already has that.
Increase in 6.5FPS= Your 7Dm2 does 10FPS. Besides, you like the 1.6x APS-C for extra length, right?
Swivel LCD= You said you need this for astro, but thats why I bought you the angle finder C.
Game over. Probably not gonna upgrade on this one.
Mine is more like... Oh.. that's nice... what do I get out of it? hehehehehe Plus, 5D4 doesn't have an articulating LCD, which is extremely useful to me in a wide variety of situations, especially when a tripod is set very high -- it is much more useful for me than weather sealing, 4k, dual memory card, or super-high shutter.ecka said:Well, I understand everything perfectly. You pay less, but you get even less than you pay for it
I like FF
I like articulating touch screen
I like smaller body (but not too small with too many compromises)
I like decent AF systems, F8, DPAF (I don't really need 45 AF points, specially in the center; 9 good points in rectangular formation (not the freaking diamond) with adjustable size would do perfectly)
I like OVF (for some reasons)
I like EVF (for different reasons)
I like high resolution, including video (which in Canon case is made for photographers to be able to grab frames from that MJPEG, much like shooting 30fps JPGs in crop mode)
I like CF card slot (I can put an SD into CF slot via adapter, no need for SD slots, never was)
I like long battery life
I like decent affordable primes
I like focus peaking
I like MagicLantern
I like reliable gear
I like reasonable price
I like Canon ergonomics
I'd like a built-in RT transceiver (why not? is it expensive? it's a little $15 circuit board with a little chip and I'm ready to pay $50 for it
Somehow there are no such cameras. Maybe the new Pentax K-1 Mark II will deliver?
The thing with crop kit lenses is that when you put pro zooms on your crop body, you don't get more than you get with your kit lenses. All you get is a nicer lens barrel with 160% extra weight and the only practical use for it is to impress someone
If they stuffed them all into one camera, that would be great. The problem becomes, if they put all those features into 1 body, it would probably be more than I would pay
Talys said:ecka said:Well, I understand everything perfectly. You pay less, but you get even less than you pay for it
I like FF
I like articulating touch screen
I like smaller body (but not too small with too many compromises)
I like decent AF systems, F8, DPAF (I don't really need 45 AF points, specially in the center; 9 good points in rectangular formation (not the freaking diamond) with adjustable size would do perfectly)
I like OVF (for some reasons)
I like EVF (for different reasons)
I like high resolution, including video (which in Canon case is made for photographers to be able to grab frames from that MJPEG, much like shooting 30fps JPGs in crop mode)
I like CF card slot (I can put an SD into CF slot via adapter, no need for SD slots, never was)
I like long battery life
I like decent affordable primes
I like focus peaking
I like MagicLantern
I like reliable gear
I like reasonable price
I like Canon ergonomics
I'd like a built-in RT transceiver (why not? is it expensive? it's a little $15 circuit board with a little chip and I'm ready to pay $50 for it
Somehow there are no such cameras
The thing with crop kit lenses is that when you put pro zooms on your crop body, you don't get more than you get with your kit lenses. All you get is a nicer lens barrel with 160% extra weight and the only practical use for it is to impress someone
hehe... I like all those things too
The only one I disagree with is EVF. I'm just not a fan -- it always seems great, and I love the idea in concept, but I just don't enjoy shooting with one.
I like APSC lenses and affordable primes, too. Fortunately, neither of these are really an issue -- since most canon primes, even inexpensive ones, give amazing image quality. The one thing I don't like about new Canon consumer grade lenses is that I'm not a fan of STM (including nano USM) -- or at least not compared to mechanical ring USM. I could probably be made a bigger fan if they made it possible to focus without shutter half-press, even if it took battery power to do so.
. Not a problem.Uneternal said:
ecka said:
Khalai said:ecka said:
Nikon D610 or D750 have worse AF coverage, either in general (D610) or in X-type coverage (both of them). Never heard any complaints about them. How come, that suddenly, 6D II is DOA because of that?
I get it, everybody would want 5D IV AF system in 6D II. But why should Canon do that? What would be the point of actually buying 5D IV?
And once again - if you switch off all the non X-type points in 5D IV, you get basically the same coverage as 6D II...
neuroanatomist said:
SecureGSM said:With all due respect, your claim does not hold the water. Well, if you have switched off all 5D IV AF points but the center one, you will have exactly as many useable AF points as 6D original has
There is a big difference in AF spread between these two cameras. There are scenarios where AF spread of 6D II is barely adequate and some where it is non-adequate. But that is by design.
The AF system of 6D II was designed to address basic scenarios and does not provide extreme flexibility of AF system of 5D level bodies.
Ideally, Canon would have provided 16 non-cross type AF points identically positioned to the ones of 5D IV or III To maintain wider AF spread and 29 cross type AF points clustered in the centre.
AF management system is also very basic. I cannot see myself scrolling through 45 AF points for each large aperture portrait shot. That's redundant. That said if set your AF system to small group mode, scrolling through 9 groups does not sounds like a daunting task. Takes 2 seconds at longest. The problem is that if you need to land AF point precisely on subject's iris, then you have to work in single AF point selection mode and you do need AF joystick to keep you sane and you have to be very fast. Your model will change poses, move head slightly, get bored and tired eventually. Imaging what it takes to take say 500 shots managing AF points scrolling through entire set. It is a slow process and lnefficient process.
You might as well set a closest AF point and then _slightly_ focus and recompose each time. I am sure that with good technique focus plane won't move much if AF point moved just an inch away.
is that a reasonable trade off? Yes it is. Look, there is no doubt that Canon provided limited AF system with 6D on purpose. Let's get over, admit the fact and make our purchasing decisions according to our project's requirements, budget and existing equipment lifecycle point.
There obvious, glaring limitations by design that may or may not suit your style of shooting.
Personally, I find AF system limitations being to much of trade off to consider purchasing Canon 6D II as this camera does not address limitation of my existing camera bodies. I might as well continue using 6D original until upgrading to 5D IV bodies next year.
as good as new. With full warranty. Nice and robust. I am not worried about DR drama or lower resolution to be honest. 5D IV has a brand new , metering system in combination with nice sensor and host of other professional features I come to appreciate. ( if converted AUD to USD, aud1600-1800).Khalai said:
SecureGSM said:Hi, yes. Read my post again, please. I am aware that 16 outer AF points in 5D IV non-cross type. I am arguing the point that those non cross type wider spread AF point are perfectly usable in well lit, semi static and Contrastly. subject situations. Ideally canon would provide 29 cross type and 16 non cross type wider spread AF points for 6D II.
And finally, refurbished 5D III body does provide significantly better AF system.
Otherwise, slightly, I mean very slightly used 5D III bodies are popping up on local classifieds website at around US$1300-1400 price mark on a daily basis
p.s. I am sure that Canon could reuse AF system of 5D IV in 6 D II and have some cross type AF point disabled in firmware providing same 45 AF points in total but with a wider spread and preserving differentiation between 5D and 6D product lines.
tell me this: how relevant do you think the DR of the sensor is if you shoot portraiture in a good light or with strobes outdoors or in studio? well, it is irrelevant right? ) not an issue, I mean at all? And if you know what you ar doing and I am sure you do, you can use exposure bracketing to avoid clipped highlights situation in your outdoor landscape / cityscape shots, again, as you do.Khalai said:SecureGSM said:Hi, yes. Read my post again, please. I am aware that 16 outer AF points in 5D IV non-cross type. I am arguing the point that those non cross type wider spread AF point are perfectly usable in well lit, semi static and Contrastly. subject situations. Ideally canon would provide 29 cross type and 16 non cross type wider spread AF points for 6D II.
And finally, refurbished 5D III body does provide significantly better AF system.
Otherwise, slightly, I mean very slightly used 5D III bodies are popping up on local classifieds website at around US$1300-1400 price mark on a daily basis
p.s. I am sure that Canon could reuse AF system of 5D IV in 6 D II and have some cross type AF point disabled in firmware providing same 45 AF points in total but with a wider spread and preserving differentiation between 5D and 6D product lines.
Granted. But some may opt for 6D II, because it will have better IQ and DR than 5D III (unless I'm gravely mistaken and some nerfing is taking place) and trust me, that articulated touch screen with DPAF is pure magic. It's almost as fast as OVF PDAF, covers 80% of the frame, which should be above the needs of almost anyone and its really precise. Anyone, who finds 6D II lacking, but is not willing to buy either 5D III or pay up for 5D IV should really try out that as they may find that this can replace wider AF array...
I have to admit, I've been tapping that screen like madman, giggling to myself, because unless you are tracking caffeine intoxicated kangaroo, while driving unicycle, DPAF will work for you just fine.
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