Preorder: Canon EOS R5, Canon EOS R6 and new lenses

Bert63

EOS RP
Dec 3, 2017
547
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So Wrong.

8K overheats at 20 mins - Capacity up to 1hr 12mins w/256GB card
4K overheats at 30-35 mins - Capacity up to 2hr 27 mins w/256 GB card

Those overheating times are at 73F/23C with best case scenarios
Good luck in the summer time (for me, that is all year long)
Good luck on your next tropical vacation
Good luck after it overheats and you need to wait 10-20 minutes just to have the limit reduced down to only 3-10 minutes (at MOST).



The era where Canon says that they won't put out camera that is unreliable is over. If you can't beat Sony, join them.
I'll never shoot 20 mins or 35 mins respectively non-stop so the problem isn't a problem at all. Go enjoy Sony if that suits.
 

jayphotoworks

EOS RP
Aug 11, 2016
231
94
Sonyalpharumours is just about the worst rumour site I have ever had the misfortune of reading and have next to zero insight into the inner workings of Sony's camera devision. They claim anything and everything with the wild hope that at least some of the rubbish the site spouts out actually comes true. The only time to get any solid info about a camera release or spec list from that site is normally 24hrs before an actual announcement when the rest of the web knows it too.

The fact S now stands for supreme rather than sensitivity is a sign that what ever Sony do, it will cost a lot more and be a solid 4k video camera and little else, unlike the way Canon see's the R5.
You essentially pick your poison :p

I'm speculating here, but one of the first 2 rumors on SAR talks about a passive cooling system, so I'm guessing Sony is trying to aim for a camera that can have almost unlimited run-times in most or all of its shooting modes. I would hazard a guess that would mean it will probably not have headlining specs like 8K or even 6K for that matter. It might simply aim for 4K120 or something like that.

So the decision will be this:

Do I buy the camera that has 4K120/60 and even oversampled 4K30 modes that are essentially heat limited with the option to do intermittent 8K RAW

or

Do I buy the camera that can shoot unlimited 4K120/60 (possibly oversampled), but not have 6K, 8K, etc.

Both will shoot binned 4K without overheating.
 

Bert63

EOS RP
Dec 3, 2017
547
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Everyone is freaking out about the R5 heat issues when recording 4k and 8k vids. Nobody is talking about the fact that most users are going to run out of card space LONG BEFORE the heating issues become issues.

Unless you are a professional and you've got 3 or 4 one Terabyte CFExpress cards to shove into the camera so you can keep recording this isn't likely to affect too many people. Not to mention the hard drives you'd have to start buying. And if you are a professional and you can afford 3 or 4 one Terabyte CFExpress cards then you probably should have saved that cash and bought a REAL cinema camera to begin with.

So, so true.
 

StevenA

EOS M6 Mark II
Jul 8, 2020
53
122
So Wrong.

8K overheats at 20 mins - Capacity up to 1hr 12mins w/256GB card
4K overheats at 30-35 mins - Capacity up to 2hr 27 mins w/256 GB card

Those overheating times are at 73F/23C with best case scenarios
Good luck in the summer time (for me, that is all year long)
Good luck on your next tropical vacation
Good luck after it overheats and you need to wait 10-20 minutes just to have the limit reduced down to only 3-10 minutes (at MOST).



The era where Canon says that they won't put out camera that is unreliable is over. If you can't beat Sony, join them.
Here are the recording specs:

Raw 12-Bit
DCI 8K (8192 x 4320) at 23.976p/24.00p/25p/29.97p [2600 Mb/s]
H.265 4:2:2 10-Bit
DCI 8K (8192 x 4320) at 23.976p/24.00p/25p/29.97p [680 to 1300 Mb/s]
UHD 8K (7680 x 4320) at 23.976p/25p/29.97p [680 to 1300 Mb/s]
DCI 4K (4096 x 2160) at 23.976p/24.00p/25p/29.97p/59.94p/100p/119.88p [170 to 1880 Mb/s]
UHD 4K (3840 x 2160) at 23.976p/25p/29.97p/50p/59.94p/100p/119.88p [170 to 1880 Mb/s]
Full HD (1920 x 1080) at 23.976p/25p/29.97p/50p/59.94p [28 to 230 Mb/s]
H.264 4:2:0 8-Bit
DCI 8K (8192 x 4320) at 23.976p/24.00p/25p/29.97p [470 to 1300 Mb/s]
UHD 8K (7680 x 4320) at 23.976p/25p/29.97p [470 to 1300 Mb/s]
DCI 4K (4096 x 2160) at 23.976p/24.00p/25p/29.97p/50p/59.94p/100p/119.88p [120 to 1880 Mb/s]
UHD 4K (3840 x 2160) at 23.976p/25p/29.97p/50p/59.94p/100p/119.88p [120 to 1880 Mb/s]
Full HD (1920 x 1080) at 23.976p/25p/29.97p/50p/59.94p [12 to 180 Mb/s]

I'm not a mathematician so I could be wrong? But using DCI 8k @ 2600 Mb/s = 2.5 Gigs = 256GB card is full in a couple minutes tops?
 

Baron_Karza

EOS 90D
Feb 17, 2019
189
196
I'll never shoot 20 mins or 35 mins respectively non-stop so the problem isn't a problem at all. Go enjoy Sony if that suits.
and you never shoot above 73F? If not, fine. But don't tell me what I should or should not buy.
 

Baron_Karza

EOS 90D
Feb 17, 2019
189
196
Here are the recording specs:

Raw 12-Bit
DCI 8K (8192 x 4320) at 23.976p/24.00p/25p/29.97p [2600 Mb/s]
H.265 4:2:2 10-Bit
DCI 8K (8192 x 4320) at 23.976p/24.00p/25p/29.97p [680 to 1300 Mb/s]
UHD 8K (7680 x 4320) at 23.976p/25p/29.97p [680 to 1300 Mb/s]
DCI 4K (4096 x 2160) at 23.976p/24.00p/25p/29.97p/59.94p/100p/119.88p [170 to 1880 Mb/s]
UHD 4K (3840 x 2160) at 23.976p/25p/29.97p/50p/59.94p/100p/119.88p [170 to 1880 Mb/s]
Full HD (1920 x 1080) at 23.976p/25p/29.97p/50p/59.94p [28 to 230 Mb/s]
H.264 4:2:0 8-Bit
DCI 8K (8192 x 4320) at 23.976p/24.00p/25p/29.97p [470 to 1300 Mb/s]
UHD 8K (7680 x 4320) at 23.976p/25p/29.97p [470 to 1300 Mb/s]
DCI 4K (4096 x 2160) at 23.976p/24.00p/25p/29.97p/50p/59.94p/100p/119.88p [120 to 1880 Mb/s]
UHD 4K (3840 x 2160) at 23.976p/25p/29.97p/50p/59.94p/100p/119.88p [120 to 1880 Mb/s]
Full HD (1920 x 1080) at 23.976p/25p/29.97p/50p/59.94p [12 to 180 Mb/s]

I'm not a mathematician so I could be wrong? But using DCI 8k @ 2600 Mb/s = 2.5 Gigs = 256GB card is full in a couple minutes tops?
I got my numbers from the Canon website. I even provided the links.
 

blackcoffee17

EOS RP
Sep 17, 2014
390
427
Sonyalpharumours is just about the worst rumour site I have ever had the misfortune of reading and have next to zero insight into the inner workings of Sony's camera division. They claim anything and everything with the wild hope that at least some of the rubbish the site spouts out actually comes true. The only time to get any solid info about a camera release or spec list from that site is normally 24hrs before an actual announcement when the rest of the web knows it too.

The fact S now stands for supreme rather than sensitivity is a sign that what ever Sony do, it will cost a lot more and be a solid 4k video camera and little else, unlike the way Canon see's the R5.
Sonyalpharumours is probably the worst rumour website, if Canonrumors is New York Times, that website is a cheap daily tabloid.
Sony fanboys, especially on that website are also one of the worst on the internet. They are all like little children arguing who's toy is bigger and which lens is
better because of extra 0.3 stop aperture. Makes me hate Sony products which i don't want so i will try to not go there anymore.
 

tpatana

EOS R
Nov 1, 2012
1,441
186
Here are the recording specs:

Raw 12-Bit
DCI 8K (8192 x 4320) at 23.976p/24.00p/25p/29.97p [2600 Mb/s]
H.265 4:2:2 10-Bit
DCI 8K (8192 x 4320) at 23.976p/24.00p/25p/29.97p [680 to 1300 Mb/s]
UHD 8K (7680 x 4320) at 23.976p/25p/29.97p [680 to 1300 Mb/s]
DCI 4K (4096 x 2160) at 23.976p/24.00p/25p/29.97p/59.94p/100p/119.88p [170 to 1880 Mb/s]
UHD 4K (3840 x 2160) at 23.976p/25p/29.97p/50p/59.94p/100p/119.88p [170 to 1880 Mb/s]
Full HD (1920 x 1080) at 23.976p/25p/29.97p/50p/59.94p [28 to 230 Mb/s]
H.264 4:2:0 8-Bit
DCI 8K (8192 x 4320) at 23.976p/24.00p/25p/29.97p [470 to 1300 Mb/s]
UHD 8K (7680 x 4320) at 23.976p/25p/29.97p [470 to 1300 Mb/s]
DCI 4K (4096 x 2160) at 23.976p/24.00p/25p/29.97p/50p/59.94p/100p/119.88p [120 to 1880 Mb/s]
UHD 4K (3840 x 2160) at 23.976p/25p/29.97p/50p/59.94p/100p/119.88p [120 to 1880 Mb/s]
Full HD (1920 x 1080) at 23.976p/25p/29.97p/50p/59.94p [12 to 180 Mb/s]

I'm not a mathematician so I could be wrong? But using DCI 8k @ 2600 Mb/s = 2.5 Gigs = 256GB card is full in a couple minutes tops?
Yea I think he's wrong/troll, that 8k rate means 512GB card is full in 20 minutes.
 
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tpatana

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Yea I think he's wrong/troll, that 8k rate means 512GB card is full in 20 minutes.
They have the non-raw rates too, quick calculation:
680Mb/s on 512GB = ~1h40 mins
1300Mb/s on 512GB = ~50 mins

So he's not completely wrong, he was just claiming the non-raw bitrates.
 

Bert63

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Dec 3, 2017
547
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and you never shoot above 73F? If not, fine. But don't tell me what I should or should not buy.

I don't shoot long clips. Ever. If I did I'd buy a camera made for that. It rarely breaks 73 degrees up here, but it wouldn't matter.

I didn't tell you to do anything.

You said " If you can't beat Sony, join them." I said go ahead if that's what suits you.
 

Gazwas

EOS 90D
Sep 3, 2018
170
147
You essentially pick your poison :p

I'm speculating here, but one of the first 2 rumors on SAR talks about a passive cooling system, so I'm guessing Sony is trying to aim for a camera that can have almost unlimited run-times in most or all of its shooting modes. I would hazard a guess that would mean it will probably not have headlining specs like 8K or even 6K for that matter. It might simply aim for 4K120 or something like that.

So the decision will be this:

Do I buy the camera that has 4K120/60 and even oversampled 4K30 modes that are essentially heat limited with the option to do intermittent 8K RAW

or

Do I buy the camera that can shoot unlimited 4K120/60 (possibly oversampled), but not have 6K, 8K, etc.

Both will shoot binned 4K without overheating.
Spot on!

The new A7s will not be the camera to choose if you wish to shoot high res stills and 4K motion at a wedding on the same camera.

I could pretty confidently guarantee after all this time in development it will however be a solid 4K mirrorless video camera.

What I would question though, is a mirrorless camera the best chassis choice for a professional video (only) camera in the first pace?

I've got nothing against Sony as I've happily used several versions of the A7r since 2015 while waiting for the Canon R5. If you can only use one camera, I think the R5 fits but with limitations. However, if you need hours upon hours of 4K60 footage nothing would beat keeping your current cameras and buying a C200 or FS5 which will happily shoot 4K all day long.
 
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StevenA

EOS M6 Mark II
Jul 8, 2020
53
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They have the non-raw rates too, quick calculation:
680Mb/s on 512GB = ~1h40 mins
1300Mb/s on 512GB = ~50 mins

So he's not completely wrong, he was just claiming the non-raw bitrates.
Like I said I'm not a great at math but the concepts I am presenting I think remain in tact.

A 512GB CFExpress card is how much money? I think a lot of people will probably buy a 256GB card for this camera as that is expensive enough. Leaving that group out of having to worry about heating issues really.
 
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WriteLight

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Mar 15, 2020
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Like I said I'm not a great at math but the concepts I am presenting I think remain in tact.

A 512GB CFExpress card is how much money? I think a lot of people will probably buy a 256GB card for this camera as that is expensive enough. Leaving that group out of having to worry about heating issues really.
Why, it's around the same cost as a RF 600 f/11! :LOL:
 
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Anyone have a stimulus check you don’t plan cashing? :sneaky: I have the R and like it and was eager to see an upgrade, but the R5 at $3899 is pretty steep. Maybe the RII or the R5 a year from now...
Or buy the R5 now and find a new wife next year. :unsure:
 
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jd7

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Anyone have a stimulus check you don’t plan cashing? :sneaky: I have the R and like it and was eager to see an upgrade, but the R5 at $3899 is pretty steep. Maybe the RII or the R5 a year from now...
Or buy the R5 now and find a new wife next year. :unsure:
The R/RF gear seems fantastic in many ways, but from my point of view as a hobbyist, Canon is pricing itself out of the game. For example, R6 is about A$4400, RF 24-70 f/2.8L IS is about A$3650 and RF 70-200 f/2.8L IS is about A$4000, so that would be a A$12,050 setup. For comparison, Sony A7 III is about A$2950, Sigma 24-70 f.2.8 Art (for Sony) and Tamron 70-180 f/2.8 are about A$2150 each, so that would be a A$7250 setup. I would rather have the Canon gear (and yes, I realise the Canon lenses have IS which the lenses for the Sony don't, and that it is looking like Canon's IBIS is better than Sony's IBIS - and yes, I know you can adapt EF glass to the R system cameras), and in particular I would much rather have the ergonomics of the Canon R system bodies, but that price difference is too big for me to simply ignore. If I was keen to go mirrorless at this point, I think I would have to look hard at the Sony, as much as I wouldn't really want to. I am not in a rush to go mirrorless anyway, so it's a moot point for me at the moment, but still, Canon's pricing is certainly reducing my enthusiasm.

That's just me, of course. I'm sure Canon has done its market research and has good reason to believe the market will bear the prices its charging, so good luck to them. I suspect Canon will do well, as the gear does seem to be excellent.

PS - those prices are just from a quick online search. It may be possible to do better if you shop around. And I have ignored grey market import prices for now.
 
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snappy604

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so want to pre-order.. but here it's over 6k CAD$ post tax and that's without a lens!! if I want the lens to do it justice (24 or 28 - 70) + the cards etc.. 10k CAD$
I definitely need to be sure before ordering.. so no pre-order for me.