Preproduction EOS 7D Mark II Cameras in Brazil for World Cup

[tron]

interested to see what 7D II has to offer..... :

I think it is G.A.S.

What about the 1DX?
A dream no?
And the 16-35 f/4 IS?
choices choices choices...... 8)

Just for the record, I DO NOT have G.A.S....... ;D I talked myself out of 600mm: http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=19923.120

1D X would be a dream camera for many us(including myself). If I can talk myself into selling A7r + FE 55mm, then 1D X is within reach..... :

Regardless how fast 7D II might be, I highly doubt I would add crop sensor to my kit. Anyways, still want to see the specs

Well, there is no such thing as : "I DO NOT have G.A.S". It is "I DO NOT have G.A.S NOW!" ;D

 

[dadgummit]

There is also the very strong likelihood it will get dual memory cards (I TRULY hope for dual CF/CFast2, but I suspect the 7D II will be gimped just like the 5D III with a CF and SD slot...in which case the feature is largely useless.)

Why is two different kinds of cards "useless"? I'm not a pro, so maybe I'm missing something, but I kind of like the two different cards, shoot jpg to one and raw to the other.

It is only useless if the SD slot is not capable of actually using high speed cards. Unfortunately the 5d3 cannot take advantage of good sd cards.

 

[Dylan777]

interested to see what 7D II has to offer..... :

I think it is G.A.S.

What about the 1DX?
A dream no?
And the 16-35 f/4 IS?
choices choices choices...... 8)

Just for the record, I DO NOT have G.A.S....... ;D I talked myself out of 600mm: http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=19923.120

1D X would be a dream camera for many us(including myself). If I can talk myself into selling A7r + FE 55mm, then 1D X is within reach..... :

Regardless how fast 7D II might be, I highly doubt I would add crop sensor to my kit. Anyways, still want to see the specs

Well, there is no such thing as : "I DO NOT have G.A.S". It is "I DO NOT have G.A.S NOW!" ;D

LOL.......... ;D

Some of you know me better than I know myself

 

[candyman]

interested to see what 7D II has to offer..... :

I think it is G.A.S.

What about the 1DX?
A dream no?
And the 16-35 f/4 IS?
choices choices choices...... 8)

Just for the record, I DO NOT have G.A.S....... ;D I talked myself out of 600mm: http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=19923.120

1D X would be a dream camera for many us(including myself). If I can talk myself into selling A7r + FE 55mm, then 1D X is within reach..... :

Regardless how fast 7D II might be, I highly doubt I would add crop sensor to my kit. Anyways, still want to see the specs

Oh yeah, the specs of 7D MKII have my interest as well. I used to own the 7D and did many pictures. But....I so much love the IQ of my 5D MK III (and 6D) regardless that you will find more things to prove on that one.
Very curious how much they will improve the IQ of the 7D MKII. Maybe, just maybe to trade the 6D for the 7D MKII if IQ is acceptable (my standards/wishes)


Ha, that 600....I still wish for a 300 f/2.8 II but for now I talked myself out of it. Instead spent some money on the 50ART, 35f/2 IS and the 16-35 f/4 IS (ordered it)...guess you can't runaway from GAS

 

[Rienzphotoz]

For me it's a little too late ... I couldn't wait for the 7D MK II, so I got the 5D MK III and don't really see myself wanting to buy the 7D MK II - unless it has some mind blowing technology.

 

[pierlux]

Agreed. After 5 years it has to be something exciting. The same has happened with the 1Ds3/1D4 to 1Dx and 5D2 to 5D3 transitions, both noteworthy improvements. A 5-year interval between releases was a loooong time even during the film age.

The EOS-1 ran from 1989 to 1994 (5 years) followed by the EOS1-n which ran till 2000 (6 years) followed by the EOS 1-V which I believe you can still buy (14 years). The venerable Canon A1 ran from 1978-1985. The legendary EOS-3 had a huge lifespan, 1998-2007.

Exactly. Electro Optical System was already a mature tech in the '90, electronics (exposure, autofocus) were widely adopted by practically all camera manufacturers and implemented on all high-end models, so the lifespan of cameras settled around 5 - 6 years which, at that time (i.e. no canonrumors.com :), seemed to me even longer than today. Then digital kicked in around the beginning of the millennium and R&D on film cameras stopped, so there's no real significance to make a lifespan comparison with cameras that have not been, and presumably will never be, upgraded or replaced.

As the dust has settled after the initial decade of the digital revolution, we'll continue to see just incremental improvements and longer lives between updates. Personally I find this both refreshing and irrationally irritating.

How true!!! I really like your last sentence a lot because it perfectly defines how I feel, I couldn't express myself better. "Irrationally irritating": pwp, you're a poet. To me, though, refreshing and reassuring feelings overrule the irritating uncomfortable sensation: when I'm going to lighten my wallet on expensive gear, knowing it's going to last longer it's sort of consolatory.

Back in 2007, talking with a pro, I told him I was waiting for the release 5Dmark2 before upgrading to FF and that one would have been my camera for ten years: never really believed in what I had said then, but time has passed and, since I have skipped the mk3 and my next purchase will most likely be the 7D2, my prediction is probably going to come true.

 

[Botts]

If I recall, the main selling point of the 7D when it was released was it's superior redesigned AF system and FPS over the XXD. Here was a solution to those in the prosumer segment that couldn't afford a 1D series to afford a better AF system and were complaining about the old 9 point AF system. It was definitely a more action/sports/wildlife kinda camera. Right now, I would say Canon's AF offerings are on-par - so really is a 7d mark II even needed?

5D3 AF would be a huge increase. Likewise 3-4 extra FPS would be game changing for those who need the speed.

I'd also be happy if Canon pulled a move like Sony did with the A7s and dropped the sensor resolution, but gave amazing low light ability. The ability to take a useful shot at 6400+ ISO would greatly enable action shooters. The 500L is a bright, constant f/4, but that still isn't always fast enough and high ISO performance would greatly enhance it's usability to freeze motion.

With my 6D, I notice every day how much slower it is in FPS and AF than my 7D. The low light performance is stellar though.

 

[Gino]

interested to see what 7D II has to offer..... :

I think it is G.A.S.

What about the 1DX?
A dream no?
And the 16-35 f/4 IS?
choices choices choices...... 8)

Just for the record, I DO NOT have G.A.S....... ;D I talked myself out of 600mm: http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=19923.120

1D X would be a dream camera for many us(including myself). If I can talk myself into selling A7r + FE 55mm, then 1D X is within reach..... :

Regardless how fast 7D II might be, I highly doubt I would add crop sensor to my kit. Anyways, still want to see the specs

Well, there is no such thing as : "I DO NOT have G.A.S". It is "I DO NOT have G.A.S NOW!" ;D

LOL.......... ;D

Some of you know me better than I know myself

Dylan, get a 1DX and you won't regret it!

I tried talking myself out of buying a 1DX for about 6 months, but I finally bought a 1DX about a month ago, and I'm loving it!

Yeah, the 1DX is big and heavy, but it's like driving a Porsche...there is no substitute! Plus, the files are so much easier to work with in Lightroom...I don't see the banding/color noise in the shadows, like I do with my 5dMkIII.

 

[Viggo]

"Talk myself OUT of it" ?? I. Don't. Understand? Don't think I have ever convinced myself to not buy something, it's sounds way out of my league to achieve. It's best not to try I think.. ;D

 

[mrsfotografie]

An open question for me is, what full-frame camera will have essentially the 7D II's technology?

I see two options:

[list type=decimal]
[*]The 7DII is based off the 5DIII, and thus the 5DIII is the full-frame 7DII
[*]The 7DII is an expansion of the 70D and the 5DIII, and thus the 5DIV would be the full-frame 7DII
[/list]

I've shot for nearly a decade now with the 20D and 5D, which are very nearly the same camera with different sized sensors. I REALLY like this approach. I'd love a 7DII for high-frame-rate and long-reach applications and a full-frame version that's slower (because of the larger mirror and shutter) as it's partner. Shooting this way has really proven to have merit for me, largely because I don't have to switch UI and camera behavior when switching bodies on the fly at an event.

Honestly, the 5DMkIII is a full frame 7D as far as the body style is concerned.

 

[mrsfotografie]

How about a return to the APS-H size sensor for the 7D Mk II ?

Not going to happen!

An APS-H camera can not use any of the APS-C lenses, does not have the "reach" of APS-C, and does not have the low light capabilities or IQ of FF. You get the disadvantages of both with none of the advantages of either.

You would be better off with a FF camera.

APS-H came about when FF sensors were hard to manufacture and expensive. Now, the cost difference would be minimal. The real question should be how long will APS-C last in DSLRs....

APS-C in DSLR's will stay as long as it offers the reduction in cost, lens size and weight. Until it is killed off by the mirrorless camera's of course which I think could happen because mirrorless is the realm of compactness and portability. To me, APS-C in DSLR's is dead anyway and I can't see any reason to go 'back' to that format for my personal needs.

 

[unfocused]

How about a return to the APS-H size sensor for the 7D Mk II ?

Not going to happen!...

...To me, APS-C in DSLR's is dead anyway and I can't see any reason to go 'back' to that format for my personal needs...

Here we go again. Same old, same old. Two different formats. Two different purposes. Plenty of room in the market for both of them. Predicting that APS-C, which dominates the market by far, is going to die out is just delusional.

People just don't get it. Canon is following the two-camera strategy. With the enthusiast market becoming saturated, the future lies in convincing everyone that they need two bodies: one full frame and one APS-C. Owners of the 5DIII can say they won't want or need a 7DII, but just wait. We'll all succumb eventually. Resistance to Canon's superior marketing mind is futile.

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

I know I'm not the majority here, but I would like a 7D mark II that is truly a MINI 1DX. To me this means:

16 megapixel (I do not need more).
10 frames per second (could be 9).
ISO 3200 as clean as 1DX in 6400 (the most important).
Weight lighter than 1.2 kg (including grip and 2 battery).
Autofocus as good as 5D mark III.
Two card slots.

 

[jrista]

ISO 3200 as clean as 1DX in 6400 (the most important).

Not gonna happen. Won't even come remotely close. The biggest difference for full-frame images is that the 1D X has a larger FRAME (the larger pixels are irrelevant). Total sensor area is the biggest factor that supports better high ISO performance on F cameras.

The 7D II would need a multitude of significant improvements in multiple areas to come within a literal 1-stop noise performance of the 1D X. The most important of which would be doubling Q.E., and there is just no way that would happen. Even the highest end, high grade CCD sensors for astrophotography, including those from Sony, only reach around 77-82%. There are maybe one or two $10,000 sensors that reach 90% Q.E.

I think ISO 3200 on the 7D II will certainly look better than it does on the 7D, and hopefully better than on the 70D, but it won't ever look as good as the 6D, 5D III, 1D X, or any subsequent FF cameras. In terms of area, an APS-C sensor has 2.6x less than an FF sensor. Throw in increased losses in light-sensitive area to a greater amount of wiring and logic transistors (due to smaller pixels), and the difference is even greater, which means there will always be more than a 1-stop difference in noise, likely more along the lines of a 1 1/2 stop or more difference.

 

[sanj]

If I recall, the main selling point of the 7D when it was released was it's superior redesigned AF system and FPS over the XXD. Here was a solution to those in the prosumer segment that couldn't afford a 1D series to afford a better AF system and were complaining about the old 9 point AF system. It was definitely a more action/sports/wildlife kinda camera. Right now, I would say Canon's AF offerings are on-par - so really is a 7d mark II even needed?

My question is what "big" photography related improvements could they do to an already fine piece of equipment

I don't want to sound cynical, but I hope the 7DII isn't just a 70D with the 'top end' ergonomics, just as the xxD line had up until the 60 and 70D combined a rebel interface with the larger body.

A little faster, gain a proper rear wheel + joystick, maybe lose the pop up flash.....

I identify with your fears.

 

[Dylan777]

interested to see what 7D II has to offer..... :

I think it is G.A.S.

What about the 1DX?
A dream no?
And the 16-35 f/4 IS?
choices choices choices...... 8)

Just for the record, I DO NOT have G.A.S....... ;D I talked myself out of 600mm: http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=19923.120

1D X would be a dream camera for many us(including myself). If I can talk myself into selling A7r + FE 55mm, then 1D X is within reach..... :

Regardless how fast 7D II might be, I highly doubt I would add crop sensor to my kit. Anyways, still want to see the specs

Well, there is no such thing as : "I DO NOT have G.A.S". It is "I DO NOT have G.A.S NOW!" ;D

LOL.......... ;D

Some of you know me better than I know myself

Dylan, get a 1DX and you won't regret it!

I tried talking myself out of buying a 1DX for about 6 months, but I finally bought a 1DX about a month ago, and I'm loving it!

Yeah, the 1DX is big and heavy, but it's like driving a Porsche...there is no substitute! Plus, the files are so much easier to work with in Lightroom...I don't see the banding/color noise in the shadows, like I do with my 5dMkIII.

Thanks Gino for the encouragement.

I'll keep an eye on 1D X special sale from now on. If the price is right, I guess anything can happen

Wonder...what is the lowest price on 1D X, US model?

 

[ayanamiadolf]

I mainly do Portrait shooting

I have a 7D but I currently use my dad's 70D because its incredibly excellent DPAF with face detection. I never get out of focus no matter how large the aperture is despite len issue. I don't think anyone can do that with viewfinder despite speed unless you are some kind of professional photographer.

Of cause I am waiting for the 7D2. If I have to say any function that I want most with the 7D2, I would like to have a hybrid viewfinder which can lunch DPAF, with face detection of cause. Sometimes it is difficult to focus only using the display.And with a higher pixel cmos and Digic 6 is enough for me.

 

[Valvebounce]

Hi Sporgon.
Not sure what you meant by gain a proper rear wheel and joystick? The 7D is already equipped with these fine options!
Or we're you talking about relative to the 70D?
Loose the pop up flash hell I hope not I use mine almost exclusively to drive my 550EX remotely, in fact I feel for you guys with much more expensive FF cameras that require you to purchase an extra quite expensive unit to do this!

Cheers Graham

I don't want to sound cynical, but I hope the 7DII isn't just a 70D with the 'top end' ergonomics, just as the xxD line had up until the 60 and 70D combined a rebel interface with the larger body.

A little faster, gain a proper rear wheel + joystick, maybe lose the pop up flash.....

 

[Sabaki]

So I'm using a Canon 500D with it's 9 point AF system and what I'm wondering is, just what does the theorized 45 point AF system mean for my photography?

Scenario: Two photographers with identical ability in every regard, one using the 500D + 400mm f/5.6, the other a 7Dii with the same lens.
A kingfisher dives from a branch, into the water and returns to the branch 1 second later with a fish.
Both photographers successfully tracked this series of events from start to finish.

So we acknowledge the 7Dii will end up with twice as many frames for the shot duration. What I'm trying to understand is, will the more sophisticated AF system of the 7Dii mean that there is a far greater chance that the bird will be in focus on each frame?

I normally track kingfisher size birds for say 2 second but find that maybe 3.5/5 frames on average are out of focus. Will a 7Dii improves this ratio?

 

[Sporgon]

Hi Sporgon.
Not sure what you meant by gain a proper rear wheel and joystick? The 7D is already equipped with these fine options!
Or we're you talking about relative to the 70D?
Loose the pop up flash hell I hope not I use mine almost exclusively to drive my 550EX remotely, in fact I feel for you guys with much more expensive FF cameras that require you to purchase an extra quite expensive unit to do this!

Cheers Graham

I don't want to sound cynical, but I hope the 7DII isn't just a 70D with the 'top end' ergonomics, just as the xxD line had up until the 60 and 70D combined a rebel interface with the larger body.

A little faster, gain a proper rear wheel + joystick, maybe lose the pop up flash.....

Hi Valvebounce: you're right, my wording was ambiguous ! I meant from the xxD line. Once the 7D was introduced Canon 'dumbed down' the control interface of the 60D from the 50D. When they did the same control layout on the 70D is was a sure sign that there would be a 7DII of some sort, otherwise there would be no new crop camera design with the 'full' EOS interface. So the slot is there for a top end crop camera to sit above the 70D and (just) below the 6D price wise.

Regarding the pop up flash, I just wonder if Canon may produce their flagship crop body without one as a marketing differentiation between the 'professional' and 'enthusiast' bodies. Personally I hope it doesn't have one. The pop up flash on my Nikon D200 in 2005 lasted all of a week before it managed to get snapped off !

I think we can guess virtually everything else about the 7DII - with the exception of the sensor. The fact that they have taken so long to produce a replacement, despite the fact that the marketing 'slot' is there, makes me think the delay has been caused by the sensor.

Whether it will use 'new' processing technology aka the Sony Exmor I don't know, nor do I really care; the sensors in the latest FF camera are simply remarkable for practical photography. If the crop sensor in the 7DII can come close to those then I would be interested in one.