cause for optimism that it will for stills shooters
I see absolutely nothing to the contrary.
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cause for optimism that it will for stills shooters
I'd agree with the sentiments here. I think it is hard to justify the premium of the 1DX III over the 5R. It would be even harder to justify 1R with that type of price gap. The 1DXIII makes the 5R look like good value (which will help the sales of the 5R). The 1DX III copes so easily with 20MP I think it could easily have coped with 30MP. Other than the given better weather sealing and bigger battery in which ways would a 1R be better than a 5R. The 5R can do 20 FPS. FPS becomes a diminishing return. Other than the heating issue Canon will find it hard to meaningfully improve over the R5. Focussing can still be better. The 1DXIII is good on big objects but less accurate on small objects like birds moving erratically. I'm sure eventually a camera will be track small moving objects even in unclear backgroundsThat's not naive. Corporate pride and public relations notwithstanding, ultimately, Canon has to sell cameras.
The R5, if it delivers as promised (and currently there is cause for optimism that it will for stills shooters), leaves little space in the market for a body that will cost $7,000 and only offers better weather sealing and an integrated battery grip.
I do shoot sports professionally (or at least I did until last spring. I'll be limited to cross country and maybe golf and swimming this fall, with the hope that other fall sports will be possible in the spring). I bought the 1Dx III because it is tried and true and the III corrects the main issues with the II as far as I was concerned (better autofocus). At some point I will want to replace my 5DIV and if I do, it will be with an R5. Never say "never," but with the features the R5 offers, I don't think an R1 would even enter into the equation.
I know it's dangerous to extrapolate from a sample of two, but with the 1 series, small numbers of customers can make a big difference. If your viewpoint is representative of just a small percentage of enthusiasts and mine is representative of a small percentage of professionals, that's still a chunk of potential R1 sales. I would wager that most of the people on this forum drooling over an R1 are not going to buy one. Add to that the shrinking professional market and the disastrous impact of COVID-19 and I agree, I think the business case for an R1 got a lot harder with the release of the R5.
Now, I'm not saying it won't ever happen. Canon has the numbers, not us, but I suspect the camera has dropped several notches on the priority list.
...perfect silent shooting is of the highest importance for a journalism now, might be nice for wildlife if you are up close.
I have two recent situations and a third I have run into where a silent shutter would be optimal, or at the least the sound of the 1 series is obtrusive. Golf and tennis, and weddings in the church, now it could easily be argued you don’t need a 1 series for any of that but they are specific situations I have run in to where my cameras were too loud.Silent shooting was the main reason I bought an R. The 1D series are notoriously noisy. But, if I did a Venn Diagram, the intersection between when I need silent shooting and when I need a 1D style body is about non-existent.
I have two recent situations and a third I have run into where a silent shutter would be optimal, or at the least the sound of the 1 series is obtrusive. Golf and tennis, and weddings in the church, now it could easily be argued you don’t need a 1 series for any of that but they are specific situations I have run in to where my cameras were too loud.
Unless they release R1 featuring 20FPS mechanical shutter, 30-40 electronic shutter and 750K -1M actuation expected shutter life. I also thinking of 240Hz EVF refresh Mode option as a possibility.... and then it suddenly becomes attractiveThe way I take care of my gear the R5 would likely be fine.
Given the 45MP sensor and the advantages mirrorless has, for me, the R5 would be preferred.
Both have solid metal bodies and are weather sealed and I don't have any problem with the smaller ergonomics of the R series. Heck - in that climate I could shoot 8K uninterrupted for hours.
I know I'm naive in the sense that I don't shoot professionally, but I don't see the $2500 1DX price premium over an R5 as clearly as I did before the R5 release. The strong points of the 1DX aren't so strong anymore.
I don't shoot tennis or weddings, but I do shoot golf and yes, a silent shutter would be nice. But the R5 would be more than sufficient for anything I would encounter on the golf course. In fact, I feel like I could probably shoot golf with an R, although I'd rather not.I have two recent situations and a third I have run into where a silent shutter would be optimal, or at the least the sound of the 1 series is obtrusive. Golf and tennis, and weddings in the church, now it could easily be argued you don’t need a 1 series for any of that but they are specific situations I have run in to where my cameras were too loud.
Unless they release R1 featuring 20FPS mechanical shutter, 30-40 electronic shutter and 750K -1M actuation expected shutter life. I also thinking of 240Hz EVF refresh Mode option as a possibility.... and then it suddenly becomes attractive
You are so hard to please. Would 24MP sensor @20FPS mechanical and 30-40FPS ES be more attractive to you?As long as they keep the 20MP sensor it won’t attract me.
Oh, I forgot, yes I have covered several orchestras and been given the kind of access that a silent camera would have been much better for. Again it is difficult to say anybody ‘needs’ a 1 series for that kind of thing but as a generalist using them has served me well enough until now.One time I only had my 1DX, and I was shooting this Japanese drum performance. They are super loud so no problem. Until there was flute-solo. Wanting at least one frame, I tried to wait for good louder spot and took one picture. Immediately one person from audience started complaining at me about the noise. I said sorry and moved to different spot, although to me it felt her complaining was more noise than that one frame I took.
I am looking at transferring from two 1DX II’s to a 1DX III and an R5 as I see them as very complimentary tools that expand my range. On paper I don’t see the R5 disappointing me even coming from a very long run of almost exclusively 1 series models.I don't shoot tennis or weddings, but I do shoot golf and yes, a silent shutter would be nice. But the R5 would be more than sufficient for anything I would encounter on the golf course. In fact, I feel like I could probably shoot golf with an R, although I'd rather not.
How many 1 series cameras do you currently own?As long as they keep the 20MP sensor it won’t attract me.
I know it's dangerous to extrapolate from a sample of two, but with the 1 series, small numbers of customers can make a big difference. If your viewpoint is representative of just a small percentage of enthusiasts and mine is representative of a small percentage of professionals, that's still a chunk of potential R1 sales. I would wager that most of the people on this forum drooling over an R1 are not going to buy one. Add to that the shrinking professional market and the disastrous impact of COVID-19 and I agree, I think the business case for an R1 got a lot harder with the release of the R5.
Now, I'm not saying it won't ever happen. Canon has the numbers, not us, but I suspect the camera has dropped several notches on the priority list.
For example, flicker reduction on the R5 is limited to 6.5 frames per second.
This is what the manual says. It doesn't specify how much, just says it may slow down. Could you tell where you got that 6.5 fps? Someone did real life testing?
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The manual also doesn't mention the 1/1000s requirement for 20fps, and I know I've seen that in official Canon docs somewhere....
that's mechanical shutter though.On the 1Dx it had requirements for max fps on widest aperture and shutter speeds over 1/1000. Which is pretty sensible.