Returned my D600. Thinking of a 6D. How do they compare? IQ? DR?

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MLfan3 said:
9 the D600 has crappy pop-up flash and I think that makes it look cheap and actually it does break easily. my D700 had really annoying pop-up flash related issues, and I had to send it in for service 7 times and I finally sold it for the 5D2. the D600 seems even weaker than my D700 or 800E. so I expect it to be quite fragile

You get a big +1 from me on this point. I detest pop up flash on an expensive, otherwise solid camera. In my Nikon days the pop up flash on my D200 lasted all of about a week before getting snapped off. Nikons continued use of this on its higher grade cameras smacks of trying to ensure the camera has everything on it so as not to loose a potential sale. Canons attitude is: if you want weak, direct pop up flash you should be using APS anyway.

Bet the higher grade 7D II doesn't have one even though it's APS.
 
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While owning a 5DII and Rebel T3i I rented a 5DIII, 6D, D600 and D800e, have sold the first two and now own a 6D and 5DIII. I would have been quite happy to own both brands, but couldn't find any advantages in the D600 over the 6D that mattered to me (and while I certainly see the appeal of the D800e, I would probably have to change my shooting style to make the most of it, which seems the wrong way round).

It's surely undeniably true that the D600 has less shadow noise than the 6D at low ISOs (both are better than the 5DIII in that respect), but that only matters if you frequently underexpose or have dark shadows you want to brighten more than you can with a 6D. For me that's simply not an issue, but maybe it is for you. It's also true that the 6D is a bit better than the D600 at high ISOs, but the difference there is smaller, perhaps trivial. Otherwise, comparing photos taken by the two side-by-side (which I did only casually) I couldn't see any differences that I would call significant and that I could attribute to the camera rather than the lenses.

In terms of handling, I much prefer the 6D to the D600 ergonomically; changing settings seems simpler on the Canon, but as you're used to Nikon you may not agree. In some respects the D600 may have autofocus advantages over the 6D, but I found the 6D's focusing more accurate (though I guess that may be a lens issue rather than a body issue) and, in very low light, the 6D would focus accurately where the D600 simply wouldn't focus at all. I also didn't care for the slightly olive green cast to the D600's viewfinder or the green bias of its monitor.

I also very much like the quiet shutter modes of the 6D and 5DIII, especially in quiet places indoors (museums, churches, etc.).

Finally, for my purposes at least, Canon's range of lenses is better.

You could always rent one and find out first hand....
 
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Sorry guys. Not trolling. Just trying to make a good informed decision. FYI D600 problem is not normal. If ANY Canon got sensor contamination like the 6D it would be all over the forums. Dust and oil that accumulates without the lens ever being off the camera... and after only 20 to 30 cycles.

I have used Canon for years in the G series. Loved them. I don't have the $$$ for a 5D MIII but I am older now and my days of humping a 60 pound camera bag around are DONE. I figure that it's smart to buy the camera for the Glass as the bodies are obsolete now after only 2-3 years. I like the 24-105... the 17-40 seems like a great value and the 40 Pancake would be good for Panos. Not too much weight for this old dude.

The DR of the D600 was amazing... but I figure the successor to the 6D will surpass it and I will get that.
 
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I bought a 6d after lots and lots of research and could not be happier. I'm not even using great lenses - a tokina 20-35, canon 50 1.8 and canon 70-300....last week I spotted an iguana at the top of a very tall palm tree hanging out in the branches. I shot him with the 70-300 and then cropped just the head....printed an 8x10 on my little portable canon ip100 and the colors and detail were amazing. I'd also add that the high iso is amazing,,,,I've taken more indoor shots of pets and people in TV only light in the living room....adjust the white balance right and its amazing. I took one last week and showed the person I was with and a she commented it looks like it was taken during daytime. I like the menu's too, with all options viewable under each major heading, avoiding having to scroll down and remember what's under each heading. I thought not having a white balance button would be an issue, but hit the quick button and its right there if u want to adjust it. To me, colors are subjective - I'd see full size of a d600 next to the 6d and the reviewer would write see, both look the same....to my eye the canon pics always looked more vibrant/detailed....fact is with all the camera controls, you can get almost any look you want nowadays.

We all fall victim to the technology too....while I've never been able to shoot with such high iso's as I do now with the 6d, which helps tremendously for low light and action, one of the best photos I have is one my daughter took when she was 12, in Canada, out of a moving car going 40mph with a 4mp canon powershot a80. She submitted it to the annual rand McNally contest and won first prize for the landscape category...I have a 30x20 of it on my office wall and people always comment what a beautiful picture it is.
 
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dilbert said:
neuroanatomist said:
dilbert said:
The dust problems with the 6D will be the same as the D600.

Really? So, Canon issued a service advisory for dust issues on the 6D just like Nikon's service advisory for the D600 dust issue? That's news to me...

I have to follow the same service advisory with Canon equipment to keep it dust free. So based on my experience, I would say that Nikon is being more customer friendly than Canon.

Oh, really? Does Nikon offer free sensor cleanings for their other cameras? No, just the D600. Why? Because apparently it's not really a 'dust' issue, but an oil splatter issue.

Maybe you should switch to Nikon so you could send your lenses to them for free sensor cleanings, too. ::)
 
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dilbert said:
hassiman said:
The DR of the D600 was amazing... but I figure the successor to the 6D will surpass it and I will get that.

Don't hold your breath because Canon haven't demonstrated any significant gain in DR since the 5D Mark II was delivered.

I'm surprised at this comment. Do you actually use the successors to the 5D mkII ? If you're making that statement based on DxO ratings you'll find in practice there is considerably more latitude between the 5D mkI, II, III / 6D than those DxO scores would have you believe.
 
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neuroanatomist said:
Oh, really? Does Nikon offer free sensor cleanings for their other cameras? No, just the D600. Why? Because apparently it's not really a 'dust' issue, but an oil splatter issue.

Maybe you should switch to Nikon so you could send your lenses to them for free sensor cleanings, too. ::)

Yes they do to my D5100.
Just complain there is spot in the pictures, they clean sensor for free under warranty.
 
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duydaniel said:
neuroanatomist said:
Oh, really? Does Nikon offer free sensor cleanings for their other cameras? No, just the D600. Why? Because apparently it's not really a 'dust' issue, but an oil splatter issue.

Maybe you should switch to Nikon so you could send your lenses to them for free sensor cleanings, too. ::)

Yes they do to my D5100.
Just complain there is spot in the pictures, they clean sensor for free under warranty.

Service Advisories apply after the warranty period is up. Not the same thing. A service advisory represents a formal acknowledgement that there's a known problem with a model.
 
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dilbert said:
neuroanatomist said:
dilbert said:
The dust problems with the 6D will be the same as the D600.

Really? So, Canon issued a service advisory for dust issues on the 6D just like Nikon's service advisory for the D600 dust issue? That's news to me...

I have to follow the same service advisory with Canon equipment to keep it dust free. So based on my experience, I would say that Nikon is being more customer friendly than Canon.

Anyone that thinks a DSLR's sensor is going to remain "dust free" when they're swapping lenses (without any cleaning) is in for a shock.

Nikon denied any dust and dirt issues until some of the major online bloggers showed it happening. Then they offered the cleaning, but still denied the issue.

For those who do not remember, the 1D MK III has a issue with incorrect lubrication, and Canon gave free cleanings and admitted that there was too much lube applied to some bodies. They will still clean them and fix a issue like that under the warranty.
 
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dilbert said:
hassiman said:
The DR of the D600 was amazing... but I figure the successor to the 6D will surpass it and I will get that.

Don't hold your breath because Canon haven't demonstrated any significant gain in DR since the 5D Mark II was delivered.

Not since the 1Ds3 actually. The 50D and 5D2 were worse than the 40D/1Ds3 generation.
With the 6D they are finally back to where they had gotten to with the 1Ds3.
 
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MLfan3 said:
12 There are almost no zooms that can resolve the 24.3 mp FX sensor well in current Nikon zoom line (maybe the 70-200VR2 and 200-400f4VR2 are fine), so if you are zoom shooter , you are wasting much potential resolving power of the high resolution sensor of the Nikon. I , in fact , recommend Zeiss primes and 70-200mmf2.8VR2 for the Nikon , nothing less than that is really good enough for that sensor. the Nikon 24-70mmf2.8G ED , 16-35mmf4VR , 24-120mmf4VR, the 70-200f4GEDVR are all useless , they were great on 12mp generation bodies but not on the D800E or D600.

I can pretty much agree with your whole post but have to say the Nikon 70-200/4 VR that I have on my 800e delivers excellent sharpness in a much smaller lighter package than the new 2.8 and will much less focus breathing as well.
OTOH, the Nikon rep did have to remind me that, "it's a consumer-grade lens, not a pro lens," so basically stop complaining that VR doesn't work for long at -20C. :-X
I still have a quibble with it on image quality but knarly bokeh in transition zones is not uncommon on some lenses in this range.
 
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dilbert said:
neuroanatomist said:
dilbert said:
neuroanatomist said:
dilbert said:
The dust problems with the 6D will be the same as the D600.

Really? So, Canon issued a service advisory for dust issues on the 6D just like Nikon's service advisory for the D600 dust issue? That's news to me...



I have to follow the same service advisory with Canon equipment to keep it dust free. So based on my experience, I would say that Nikon is being more customer friendly than Canon.



Oh, really? Does Nikon offer free sensor cleanings for their other cameras? No, just the D600. Why? Because apparently it's not really a 'dust' issue, but an oil splatter issue.

So is it a dust issue or an oil issue? The post is about dust and the link to Nikon provides advice for dealing with dust (which is a problem for all interchangeable lens cameras.) It may be that people who are having problems with oil don't recognise it for being such but it is wrong to think that Canon DSLRs do not have dust problems or to say that they do not.

My understanding is that the the oil problem on D600 was more like the Deepwater Horizon spill.....one more 'feature' it has over the 6 D!!
 
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dilbert said:
So is it a dust issue or an oil issue? The post is about dust and the link to Nikon provides advice for dealing with dust (which is a problem for all interchangeable lens cameras.) It may be that people who are having problems with oil don't recognise it for being such but it is wrong to think that Canon DSLRs do not have dust problems or to say that they do not.

When did I state Canon sensors don't get dust on them? The link is talking about a known issue of the D600, not a 'problem for all interchangeable lens cameras' (having your car run out of gas is a problem for all cars, did your car maker issue a service advisory for your specific model telling you to put gas in the tank? ::) ).

The 'customer friendly' Nikon folks of whom you're so fond may be slow (they take weeks to service a lens), but they aren't stupid enough to call it oil. So, they state, "Some D600 users have reported the appearance of random spots on their images which is generally attributed to the natural accumulation of dust...It has come to our attention that, in some rare cases, they may be reflected noticeably in images and removal may be difficult using normal measures." Since 'normal measures' are usually sufficient for removing dust, they're clearly not talking about dust alone.
 
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