Positron said:What I want to know, if anyone cares to explain it, is what exactly "16-bit processing" actually means. If it means that the camera's internal memory has a 16-bit address space, then it's completely meaningless mumbo-jumbo. If it means the ADC is 16 bits but the final image is stored as 14 bits, then they are throwing away 75% of the data captured (and a ton of wasted processing power) to save 12% of the space (4 MB, at best?), which seems like a Really Bad Idea for RAWs. So what's going on here?
Aglet said:Positron said:What I want to know, if anyone cares to explain it, is what exactly "16-bit processing" actually means. If it means that the camera's internal memory has a 16-bit address space, then it's completely meaningless mumbo-jumbo. If it means the ADC is 16 bits but the final image is stored as 14 bits, then they are throwing away 75% of the data captured (and a ton of wasted processing power) to save 12% of the space (4 MB, at best?), which seems like a Really Bad Idea for RAWs. So what's going on here?
internal processing, for applying gamma curves, etc., benefits from not having least significant bits truncated until the processing is finished.
Even PnS compacts, who only output 8b jpegs, often process 10 to 12 bits internally to reduce posterization and provide better tonal gradations than they would if they only processed 8 bits worth of data all the way from sensor to file.
What small things??Canon-F1 said:psolberg said:Freelancer said:Pitbullo said:So, this is the 5dMKIII competitor, not the D800. If the rumor about the price, $1500 is correct, then it is a 5DMKIII at half the price. Canon should be afraid.
it´s an entry level fullframe.
not really a competition to the 5D MK3 other then sensor size and MP.
really? I disagree. first of all it is cheaper. big plus. second it is just 1fps slower. not enough to justify the cost of the 5DmkIII. Has slightly superior resolution and if the D800 is any indication, it will easily outclass the 5DmkIII in dynamic range and low noise in shadow areas at low ISO. Surely the 5DIII will have the better AF system and probably more pro-body feel. But if this camera costs 1500 dollars, you can buy two for the price of one 5DIII and the 5DIII isn't twice the camera. sorry.
i think most who are interested in a 5D MK3 (and need it´s features) would not be satisified with the specs from the D600.
the D600 will sure be no bad camera, but a camera is more then then sensor size and pixel count.
build quality, af, iso range not to mention all the small things that make the 5D MK3 an incredible tool are missing (or worse) in the D600 as it seems.
This may completely go against how your philosophy and how you shoot, but imho- i'd pay the extra $2000 just for the better AF, and the 1 FPS more. Why?simonxu11 said:-AF: 5D3 is clearly better
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IMO, if the rumored spec of the D600 is true, then it's not far behind 5D3, but it's $2000 cheaper.
I find it interesting how many canon fanboies here, but they will deny this.Stephen Melvin said:I find it interesting how some people are talking about jumping ship for the rumored D600 when the D800 isn't even as good as the 5D Mk III, outside of its amazing sensor. And even that starts to lose its advantage at ISO 800.
Speed, AF, video quality, high ISO performance, wireless flash system, build quality and hell, quality control during manufacture are all advantages for the Canon. Strong advantages. Plus, we get some pretty awesome lenses to play with.
Let's put it this way: if both cameras had the exact same sensor, which one would you pick?
it looks like you need a rebel camera, if you really care about HDR and face detection ;Dsimonxu11 said:What small things??
-Auto ISO? Even D3200's auto iso is better than 5d3's
-Multi exposure and HDR? D90 got these in 2008, canon just added
-Build-in time-lapse functionality? no for canon
-Build-in flash with wireless trigger? no for 5D
-AF face detection? no for canon except 1D and in liveview mode
-AF point-linked spot metering? A standard feature in Nikon entire range, no for canon except 1D
apparently D4's & D3200's sensors are also nikon made and not sony, so if thats an indication, DR should be aproximately ~.5-1 stop less than D800'sTayvin said:It's hard to complain about a $1500 FF camera, but I hope this "RUMOR" is wrong about the SD card slots. I don't think I even own a SD card anymore? I also remember reading another "RUMOR" about the D600 using a sensor that is not made by Sony. That may no longer be true, but if it is, don't expect the DR you get from a D800.
Did I say I care about these features, which one of your eyes did you see that? I simply replied.kirillica said:it looks like you need a rebel camera, if you really care about HDR and face detection ;Dsimonxu11 said:What small things??
-Auto ISO? Even D3200's auto iso is better than 5d3's
-Multi exposure and HDR? D90 got these in 2008, canon just added
-Build-in time-lapse functionality? no for canon
-Build-in flash with wireless trigger? no for 5D
-AF face detection? no for canon except 1D and in liveview mode
-AF point-linked spot metering? A standard feature in Nikon entire range, no for canon except 1D
Pitbullo said:But why is that?
You are right about the D90 which doesn't have HDR.Danielle said:The D90 does not have in camera HDR. And why do you want built in flash? Other than occasional emergency fill, they're useless.
Looks like my partner (who has a D90) will have a nice upgrade path if they decide to in the next while. Myself, well I don't have any money to spend on anything much so I'll just wait it out and see what happens and make do with my 7D which is doing me really well anyway. Im not going back to nikon.
Lawliet said:Pitbullo said:But why is that?
Because in a world with a perfectly linear sensor response one stop more light means twice as many photons on the sensor and electrons in the well, thus one more binary digit to represent that doubling. That assumes no other interference, like noise in the lower digits caused by the readout electronics.
Once you apply a gamma curve the whole relation vanishes and any number of bits can represent arbitrary dynamic range, although at the cost of tonality - you may experience banding.
+1 for FreelancerFreelancer said:Pitbullo said:So, this is the 5dMKIII competitor, not the D800. If the rumor about the price, $1500 is correct, then it is a 5DMKIII at half the price. Canon should be afraid.
it´s an entry level fullframe.
not really a competition to the 5D MK3 other then sensor size and MP.
Freelancer said:The release probability of the Nikon D600 for Photokina is now at 99%. Here is an updated list of the specifications (new additions in bold):
•Very small and lightweight body
•16 bit image processing
•Expeed 3 processor
•Maximum video recording: 30 minutes
•Built-in mic
•19 scene modes
•Magnesium alloy only on top and back only
•Maximum shutter speed of 1/4000
•Shutter life: 150,000 cycles (the D800 is rated for 200,000 cycles)
http://nikonrumors.com/2012/08/30/updated-specifications-for-the-nikon-d600.aspx/#ixzz251haVGAP
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not entirely sure what the buzz about 16 bit PROCESSING is, i thought the processing is 16 bit already but the data is only 14 bit? (two bits are always zero).
does this mean it´s 16 bit from the sensor, through AD, to the prozessor?